Corruption scanadal in the European Parliament

among those suspected is the vice-president of the chamber Eva Kaili from Greece - and these people wanted to teach Poland the rule of law

tvmnews.mt/en/news/corruption-scandal-shakes-eu-parliament-vice-president-arrested/#:~:text=The%20European%20Parliament%20has%20been%20thunder%20struck%20by,at%20the%20very%20heart%20of%20the%20European%20Union.

While PiS wants to teach the EU the rule of law Polish style. It means that corruption among PiS ranks isn`t punished, it is even an asset and an instrument to hold power.

what corruption among PiS - please give examples

How about the recent case of board executives who are nominated by PiS to lead major state companies but only on condition they show gratitude by transfering a chunk of their salaries to PiS party accounts????

Is this how PZU's management supports PiS? They revealed huge transfers
Between 14 and 20 October, persons sitting on the management board of Powszechny Zakład Ubezpieczeń were to transfer over PLN 225,000 to the account of Law and Justice. In recent weeks, significant funds have also been transferred to the account of the ruling party from people employed in other large state-owned companies, "Polityka" reports.

wiadomosci.wp.pl/setki-tysiecy-z-pzu-do-pis-ujawniaja-przelewy-6830665291336384a

Don't be daft.


Indeed. Especially on a local level. They are rotten through and through.

I would hardly call it corruption, sorry - corruption would be if the state companies directly subsidies the ruling party - all these transfers were within law (within the legal threshold of 'sponsoring' political parties) - compare it to the 'słupy' affair of Palikot

btw PO operated the same model - did you hear about it from TVP or TVN back then


any other examples of 'PiS corruption'?

No, you are lying now.


Tens of them. But I prefer to post them in PiS thread and give a link here.

read the whole article above (the link I posted) - and tell me again I am lying

or maybe read this cause the other article might be too long for your short attention span:
polskieradio24.pl/5/1222/artykul/3066895,instrukcja-finansowa-po-z-2007-r-wplaty-na-partie-traktowane-jak-darowizny


if there are tens of them it would be easy for you to name them - feel free

Ha! You are so dauntingly brave now coz you know that prosecutors are fully controlled by PiS and most corruption scandals are swept under the carpet.

I started posting about PiS corruption here:
https://polishforums.com/life/poland-bribery-corruption-fact-66008/5/#msg1887651

PS. Thank you for starting the topic of corruption. hahahahaha

so yeah: you agree that PO operated the same model? you read the articles, no?

So you weren`t lying this time and there was such an instruction, indeed. However, it was only on paper. Secondly, PiS promised to eradicate such suspicious activities from economic and political life but they didn`t. What is worse, they have blown them into monstrous scale.

That is why, pointing to a few corrupted members of European institutions while ignoring PiS mass corruption is a hypocrite ritardism on your part.

how do you know it was only on paper? because no main stream media investigated it?

Who do you mean by 'these people'? She's one individual (and incidentally she hails from a country that many would say should never have been admitted to the EU precisely because of this kind of history) and she's been suspended from duty. Bulgaria and Greece are perceived as the most corrupt countries within the EU while, not surprisingly, the most honest and transparent are Denmark and the other Scandinavian nations.

somehow Bulgaria and Greece didn't have a problem with their post covid rebuild plan accepted - Poland though has (with very low corruption) - isn't it because Bulgaria follows the German agenda (don't know about Greece but they are dependent on EU help after the near bankruptcy so probably they also have to follow the German agenda)

Poland isn't perceived as having very low corruption. It has a similar ranking to Italy. As to why Poland has problems getting financing .................. well now. The Polish government has broken rules, laws, agreements and treaties which it signed up to. The Polish government is contemptuous and confrontational, has no clue about diplomacy. They're kind of like an arrogant teenager with no social skills who can't understand why he's been suspended from school yet again and sits in his room alternating between self-pity, sulking and throwing tantrums.

While before that PiS teenager excelled at disrupting classes, bullying his mates and threatening teachers.

oh yeah, it's better to follow the German agenda like Bulgaria and be as corrupt as you wish than standing for your average citizen who for example needs coal to heat their house and not for the interests of international businesses (especially German) - by the way Atch since we are at it what treaties and agreements did Poland break since you seem to be 'knowing things' that I may have missed

btw your the index you are refering to is a corruption perception index - many PiS haters think the ruling party is corrupt that's the thing - if you ask me they are hysteriacs (or whatever you call it in English) - secondly the perception of corruption lingers for some time after the actual corruption vanishes: this is the case of Poland in my personal opinion

Yes! It is very beneficial to follow the German agenda. Poles in the Greater Poland partition zone did and thanks to it they won their major uprising and liberated their land in 1919. How? They had become like Germans but even better ones!!!

for your personal information, Atch: Orange Polska (a mobile operator) paid 146 thousands PLN in income tax in 2020 (when the turnover of the company was 11 billion) - T-Mobile was even better - it paid 10 thousand PLN in income tax that same year with the turnover of 9 billion PLN - in comparison Polkomtel (the owner of Plus network owned by Polish capital mostly) paid almost 200 million PLN in income taxes (with the turnover of 7 billion PLN)

- PKO BP (owned mostly by the Polish state) paid 1,5 billion PLN in income tax in 2018

Stop asking infantile questions in this awful ritard style of messing the debate with things that have been already discussed ad nauseam. We said it many times here that PIS constantly breaks the European rule of law trying to suppress the independence of the judiciary.


Why is PiS allowing it? Isn`t it a proof of corruption, especially that in 2015 they promised to change it??

btw the majority owner of the Orange brand is the state of France - so we are effectively sponsoring the French state - I'm pretty sure PiS wouldn't sell Telekomunikacja Polska to a foreign entity


I don't know why - probably because Orange France drains Orange Polska with fees for 'consultation', overpriced purchases from Orange France etc - you cannot help it without breaking European Treaties i think - the only thing that can be done is imposing a sales tax (on top of or instead of VAT tax - there is no VAT tax in the US as far as I know and individual states impose sale taxes)

for example Orange Polska pays 1,6 per cent of it's mobile services turnover (and 0,8 per cent of its landline services turnover) solely for using the Orange brand (like Orange brand means anything) - with the turnover of over 11 billion PLN you can safely bet that the fee exceeds 100 million PLN (more than Orange Polska paid as an income tax in 2019) :

telepolis.pl/wiadomosci/prawo-finanse-statystyki/ile-orange-polska-zaplaci-za-uzywanie-marki-orange-umowa-do-2030-r

if Poles of Greater Poland followed the German agenda they would not rise up in 1918, Mr Genius

this article in Polish speaks volumes about the eurocrats and their hipocrisy - some rich statements by Eva Kaili - read up Ms Atch: wpolityce.pl/polityka/625786-kaili-oskarzala-polske-i-rozplywala-sie-nad-katarem

some nice facts about other eurocrats here (also in Polish): wpolityce.pl/polityka/625811-nie-tylko-wiceszefowa-pe-eurokracja-uczciwa-inaczej

if someone doesn't believe the Polish article - here's one German article about von der Leyen's phone erasure: dw.com/en/german-defense-ministry-illegally-wiped-phone-data-of-ursula-von-der-leyen/a-51764162 - some interesting things indeed

I would really love to hear your response to the Deutsche Welle article on Mrs von der Leyen's official phone, Ms Atch

Very good point. Obviously it has nothing to do with "corruption" or "rule of law" but it's about falling neatly in line with the 1000-year Leftard Reich agenda. A year or so ago I would have shivered at the thought of Poland leaving the EU. I am not shivering anymore.

@GefreiterKania

one more article on hipocrisy of Western European elites (at least in the not so distant past) - it sheds the light on why the owner of TVN is a post-box company in a Dutch international airport

eur.nl/en/news/netherlands-still-tax-haven

it mentions Ireland, dear Ms Atch

Google and it's taxes in Europe according to Reuters - reuters.com/article/us-google-taxes-netherlands-idUSKBN1YZ10Z

Thanks for the links, Gumishu. I think hypocrisy is too light a word. Oh, well... conclusions will have to be drawn regarding what the EU has turned into in recent years; conclusions drawn and difficult decisions made.

That is simply amaSSing. :):):)

Look, sooner or later Poland will be ideologically the same as the rest of Western Europe if you like it or not, regardless if we are in the EU or not. Such is the course of history here - Poles are strongly West oriented and copy everything from the West - you can`t suppress it. The youth are leaving the Church by droves and ritard parties which depend on its support will slowly disappear within a decade or two.

That is why your opposition to the EU because it promotes liberal ideas which you hate is like pissing against the wind - you will only wet your pants and shirt, that`s all. :):):)

You are probably right there, but by then, I believe that Europe will swing to the right wing of politics.
Where will that leave your supposed left leaning young Poles?

You mean like Italy, Sweden and France next election which have swung socially conservative?

No, I mean full rights of women and minorities. Poland will also introduce them soon, regardless if we are in the EU or not. The choice is simple - Poland will be a European country which adheres to basic principles or will be like Belarus or RuSSia. I know my compatriots quite well and they certainly don`t want totalitarian RuSSist approach here.

That is why undermining Poland`s membership in the EU only because it promotes liberal ideas is a serious mental deficiency, typical of ritards.