Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government

It is so easy to topple your silly arguments that it has ceased to be a pleasure for me.

Let others do it.

Good day, too. :):):):)

No I am afraid that his Gallic arrogance is a bit too much for me. He still tries even though everything he has said has been refuted by pretty much everyone, but despite the fact that he has been wrong on every issue he still persists, i am not sure if that 's down to sheer stupidity and lack of shame or incredible determination. You have to understand that they're not quite as good as the Germans or English so they tend to overcompensate.

Eternal Polish dilemma: Tabakiera dla nosa czy nos dla tabakiery?

As far as I am concerned, Poland is for (the sake of) Poles, not Poles for Poland

PiS or Palikot, unless something new shows up. I am not fond of either, but there is not much to choose from. SLD is out of the question, since Belka and "his" tax, I consider them enemies, and PO just defined themselves as my enemies as well, since they decided that I should not live long enough to get the retirement.

They may think that people are going to forget long before next elections. But Poles have long memory, it was not a coincidence, that the last election SLD had won, it was just before they introduced Belka's tax.

Check how they voted on retirement age issue.

Another achievement of the Tusk government:

subcontractors (mostly Polish firms) building motorways haven't received money for the job done,however contractors have been paid by gov i.e. Polish taxpayers already.

That is actually achievement - make people work for free and divide money between friends. Hey they should be happy that they have work .
I can see here a seed of a new economic success of the Tusk gov. All jobless should be working till they drop death - problem solved.

Palikot will vote the same as PO on all critical issues. It's a set up.

Yes, such people also impress me. :):):):) Have you noticed that various kinds of trolls have become very active before EURO 2012? Does it mean Poland is getting on their nerves? :) Warszawette, I have time to deal with you now.

Unemployed Westerners who don`t need to go abroad. How true!

guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/08/ireland-migration-young-liverpool

Up to 75,000 Irish citizens are predicted to emigrate in 2012 - higher than the levels of the late 1980s. In a country with a population of 4.5 million, such shifts generate intense interest and the Irish Times has even created a Generation Emigration blog, with the headline styled up as a departure board.

They don`t need but they want and go.

The same with Poles - they don`t really need to go abroad, but they want. Poles are natural born travellers. Don`t you know that a Poles discovered America?


Sorry, I am from the old school of Polish upbringing. So many patriots in my family (my grandpa was shot in an execution during WW2) are too an insurmountable burden.


You need to think it over. Currently your political preferences are in a mess.


Exactly.


It is a problem that they are working on now.


Not quite.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKO_Bank_Polski

Ironside@
Palikot, contrary to Tusk, did not promised, during the election, that he is not going to touch the retirement issue. So, contrary to Tusk, he cannot be called an outright lier.

Pawian@
But this is not the point. The point is, Poland, instead of blindly following foreign patterns, we must strive to regain our Golden Freedom. What is the govenment? What is the state? It is a structure that lets some people to rule the others. Most notably, the ones that govern - these are the few, the ones that are governed - thouse are the many; so the structure of the state can be drawed as a piramid, or turned upside down tree.

This shape is always the same, it does not matter if it is dictatorial state like Soveit Union, stright out monarchy out of middle ages, or USA-like demokracy. If you are going to tell me that calling up an elections, once in a while, makes any difference, I'll respond: For the state, there is no difference, no matter who sits on the top, the top still exists, there are rulers and ruled. There is always a human above you, usless you are a king or president.

They say, that Poles had once lost theirs state, because of anarchy-like behaviour of our nobles. But I prefere to see it as a side effect of Polish feature that I find most possitive, side effect of deep rooted yerning, to free the man from the tyranny of the state. As a matter of fact, one would be hard pressed to find a nation being more in love with that idea.

Pawian, if you have not grown up in Poland, you are not going to understand that.

I am against. History proved that Polish Golden Freedom was anarchy, in fact, and it ended with a disaster.


The problem is that I perfectly understand it - you cherish certain romantic ideals which are fine when discussed, but in practice they would cause another disaster.

No, thank you.

I'm sure they are ...:D


however he is in league with Tusk.

Disaster-smaster. Disaster came only after they tried to dismantle liberum veto and stuff.


If there was any alternative. The thing is, I'd feel dirty after voting for Kaczyński

How can we to liberate ourselvs from the state? Neither democracy (as I explained in earlier post) nor anarchy holds the answer. Why not the anarchy? If the nation dont have the military forces strong enough to defend the land against the neighbourning countries, it will fall prey to the neighbours' militaries along with its freedom's ideals, then will be forced into the alien structures of these states. Neither the answer are all sorts of socialisms/communisms, even if it would be possible to make them work along the noble theories. As long as there is just one non-socialist country, opposed to groups of individuals freed from the serfdom to the state, they'll willy-nilly have to organise themselves into structures and classes anew.

That is the problem Polish people should work on: how to protect the people and the land against the foreign states, without creating the state of our own?

No, earlier.



So?


Very funny. :):):):):)

I see those millions who are going to start working on the problem. :):):):)

The role of the government, and other state' structures, would have to be taken by some sort of non-state. Without agents, commisaries, tax collectors, policemen, judges and ministers. Cross-society decisions, foreign policy, economic reforms, criminal law would come into force not because of one or another sort of government, with whatever coercing power - but because it has been inevitable resolution. There is no State in the Nature. The caterpillar is transforming itself into the butterfly not becouse the president, or the parliment of the insects enacted that transformation decree, but because this resolution is natural, necessary, and the only possible.

Ooops.

I am sorry, I have to go. Please, excuse me.

But Ironside will keep you company.

There will be alternative sooner or later for now soviets have to be eliminated from Polish public life. Maybe Kaczynski will do a first step in the right direction.

PO embodies old system and so do Palikot a branch of the same tree.
You are right about the state, present state is left over from soviet times, suitable and made to accommodate soviet model of society and its structures.

from another thread:


Grześ, you are my man! :):):):)

What is your point, strange man ? Don't tell me you still don't understand that difference in labor productivity between nations has hardly anything to do with them working hard or not... that would be too much.

OK, innovations and high technologies also play a role. :):):):) But still are only a part of the issue.

So, they managed to make it on time before EURO. The motorway/highway from the German border to Warsaw is a fact.

well not quite, pawian but at least A2 will be "przejezdna" before EURO

There's another two achievements in Poznan - the opening of the second phase of the RST Tramway should open on Saturday, and the major work at Rondo Kapionera/Roosevelta has finished on time, too.

Good to hear that. But isn`t it the effort of the local authorities, instead of the government?

PO council ;)

But I'd still chalk it up to a Governmental success. Still - if you want to talk about a Government concern, then a significant part of the Poznan obwodnica has opened recently.

PO in Warsaw also made a huge achievement. They managed to build the most expensive road in the world.

PO have achieved more than your lot ever will.

That's a pretty pathetic attempt at smearing them, even by your standards.

Why ? Please explain. Thank you in advance.

You tried this trick before, remember? :):):)

And it is equally pathetic today.

I'd say that the sheer desperation of following a man who has lost something like 14 elections makes him do desperate things.

So it's not true:


logistyka.pb.pl/2613717,31230,mamy-najdrozsza-droge-na-swiecie

[quotes]pisze "Gazeta Polska Codziennie".[/quote]

Gazeta Polska is known for writing complete fabrications and for having to make countless apologies to people slandered in the newspaper. It's certainly not credible journalism!

The photo of Tusk and his dog is causing a positive furor on the Net:

donald_tusk_i_pies_szeryf_640x0_rozmiar-niestandardowy.jpg

Poles are proud to have a Prime Minister who loves animals. :):):):)