Polish - Pakistani relationship. How it works in reality? Are Pakistanis a good men?

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@Maria99

Oh my Gosh, how is this poor little girl? is she alright? it is really very bad. My Cousin will come on this weekend I will show her.

@M_S

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I am a Pakistani and i will give you sincere advice, don't do it if he is from interior punjab. Lahore Karachi and Islamabad are good places, men from these areas are literate and broad minded, their sisters girlfriends wives wear jeans etc. In a nutshell ask you friend about his family, is the family educated and sound? Try to see pictures of women from his family, don't do it if you find them backward and narrow minded. My wife doesn't cover her head, we smoke together with friends and she has male friends while i have female. But then some PAkistanis really suck at mentalities, so watch out. Hope it works out for you.

@M_S EVEN if your boyfriend doesn't practice his religion, it would be wise of you to learn more about how pakistani men behave at home. Go for a visit to his home country BEFORE you get married and see for yourself how his parents treat each other- Observe how men usually treat their wives in his culture. I wouldn't want to cloud your judgement, but from what I've seen at muslim countries, Men REGARDLESS of their level of commitment to their religion take pride in being superior over their wives.

As open-minded as he may appear to be, you should see how he'll treat you in his OWN environment, I'm talking Peer pressure. When he's back home, it's only of human nature that he'll want to show of with his Polish Girlfriend (Lucky him!), and his Family and friends will ignorantly judge their son's white girlfriend. Last thing any woman needs is a man treating her poorly bossing her around just to seem all ALPHA infront of his male friends and family.

I, myself, am with marriages from different cultures and backgrounds. Just don't make a hasty life altering decision just for the sake of rebelling against norms.

In brief, some of the things you need to do before getting married to him:
1- Visit his home country.
2- Observe how men treat women in his culture.
3- Talk to his sisters/cousins to get more insight about their traditions/culture.
4- Don't believe everything you hear or watch online. Good and Happy Ever-lasting relationships don't make the news as much as bad ones do.

5- Always keep a plan B to protect your rights in case of mistreatement or divorce.

What ever the outcome, Best of luck!

I AM GROWN IN PAKISTAN, BUT I AM NOT PAKISTANI.

IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF THINGS. PERSONALLY I AM A PRACTICING MUSLIM LIVING IN POLAND AND POLISH WOMEN WILL BE THE LAST OPTION IF I EVER WANTED TO GET MARRIED.

SOME PEOPLE HERE CLAIMING THAT MUSLIMS DON'T TREAT THEIR WOMEN GOOD. YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION IS SOME SPONSORED PROPAGANDA VIDEOS AGAINST MUSLIMS ON YOUTUBE.

ISLAM GIVES WOMEN THE HIGHEST RIGHT. YES SOME PEOPLE TREAT THEIR WOMEN BADLY BUT IT'S TRUE WITH ALL NATIONS...SOMETIME BACK I SAW A POLISH GUY BEATING HIS WIFE/GIRLFRIEND IN THE PARK AND NOBODY DARED TO INTERVENE...SO GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE EXISTS IN ALL NATIONS.

ISLAM IS THE FASTEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND DAILY THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS, AUSTRALIANS AND EUROPEANS ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM. AND THE RATE OF CONVERSION BETWEEN WOMEN ARE HIGHER THEN MEN, THAT SHOWS THAT ISLAM IS OFFERING PROTECTION AND RIGHTS TO THEM SO THEY ARE CONVERTING IN SUCH HUGE NUMBERS.

HERE IS A VIDEO OF LITHUANIAN WOMEN VISITED AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY AND GOT IMPRESSED BY HOW MUCH RESPECT AND RIGHT ISLAM GIVES TO WOMEN AND SHE CONVERTED.

youtube.com/watch?v=VqGlXVidKAY

ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT YOUR MARRIAGE WITH PAKISTANI.
If he is practicing and religiouse guy and you are not then it's hard that this marriage will work in the long term
but if he is non religious and adopted western culture then there are chances. specially if he is a christian pakistani then this marriage will work 99%.

Stop shouting, you berk. My source of information is not as you wildly suggest. When I worked in Turkey (perhaps the best place in the Islamic world for women to live) women there opened up to me in conversation, probably because I was a foreigner and not a Muslim. They all complained about the status of women in their society. Even more telling and sad was when I asked groups of people whether they would like to change sex for, e.g. a day or a week to experience life from the other side. While a few men said yes, it might be interesting, every single woman said that she would like to change sex immediately and permanently. I found that depressing. In Europe, in Poland, for example, women enjoy being women.

"SOME PEOPLE HERE CLAIMING THAT MUSLIMS DON'T TREAT THEIR WOMEN GOOD. YOUR SOURCE OF INFORMATION IS SOME SPONSORED PROPAGANDA VIDEOS AGAINST MUSLIMS ON YOUTUBE."

No, my source is that i live in a muslim country. Actually the country which is the main source of Islam.

And woman here are not even allowed to drive a car.

"ISLAM GIVES WOMEN THE HIGHEST RIGHT"

Don't confuse right with obligation. When you say to a woman how she should dress or that she cannot drive, you are NOT giving rights, but obligations.

"HERE IS A VIDEO OF LITHUANIAN WOMEN VISITED AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY AND GOT IMPRESSED BY HOW MUCH RESPECT AND RIGHT ISLAM GIVES TO WOMEN AND SHE CONVERTED."

I can presented a lot of videos of Muslims that also converted to christianity after they realize how their ex-religion is violent and unequal.
Including the ex-queen of Saudi Arabia.

Unfortunately all those ex-muslims dont live in muslim countries since abandon Islam in a muslim country is a crime punishable by death. Nice, han?

it depens upon your relation
how much do you love each other? how much you can secrifies dor your love?
2nd thing What kind of gurantee a polish man can happy than Pakistani man....
I saw many polish families living seprate and divorced after marriage while they have childrens.
3rd In Poland divorced rate is much higher as compare Pakistan.
(why is this?????)

divorcescience.org/2013/01/22/divorce-rates-in-islamic-countries/

Next month I will pay my visit to Punjab with my B-Friend and from there to India. Will send you LOTS OF PHOTOS of BOTH POOR COUNTRIES, DON'T GET JEALOUS :)

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Boss poorty is not crim. we respect all nations and relegions as Muslims as mentioned in our holy book

" No muslim is Muslim untill believe on Jessu" as prophet of God)

now see your modernity
I saw many polish families living seprate and than divorced ( while they have childrens).
2nd I saw many poles have more than one girl friend may be 2,3 ,5 and cheats their wifes and girlfriend? please dont mind.......
Is this modernism when gf getting old look for new teen age gf.
too much divorced ration in Poland as compare to muslim countries....
Is this respect for women. because no one wants to give women basic rights as mention in bible,
Is this modernism???

I like Poland and respect polish people from depth of my heart. because poland is much better as comapre to U.S and other many eu countries.

Because in Pakistan abused by her husband woman can't get divorce, theoretically she can but practically we all know how it would end up.

If its not on your terms show him the door.

Why don't you ask him to convert?

That is the amount of girlfriends, not their ages.

Hello to everybody!
I am a Pakistani living here in Poland.I also lived across Europe,so I know very well culture of EU ,specially Poland.
I am married to a polish girl and have two sons.
How pak and polish relationship work?
Well, its depends on the guy and the girl who want to build their relationship.how much behond they can go for each other.
And do they really love....

Bad relations,cheating men on women's and women's on men's are also in Pakistan as well as here in Poland.

Muslim guy and Christian girl ....again its not easy ....you both have to sacrifice many things for each other.I have some examples of working of this relationship,as I'm one of them.

If you fall in love with him ...no comment will stop you to go there so ...learn the guy more before any step forward...
And in Pakistan also living people believe me nobody will eat you.if you dare to visit him,,,,don't like!!!.... you can decide ....come back

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That's all what I wanna say...:-)

Dear M-S, Please keep in your mind bad and good people are everywhere not only in Pakistan & India so dear my advise is only for you please don't listen to people and think about that guy deeply and decide.

Thanks/Nauman

that is mostly correct and it is not propaganda. As Turkey is the muslim country like Roger mentioned - which can be called the best Islamic place for women- most of the men treat the women as their "property" and "second class people". This is the best example and it sounds terrible-

I always say, a person who call himself or herself as "Muslim" cannot succeed in a relationship with "Polish" girl/guy ("Polish" can be extended to "European" or "non Islamic cultures" girl/guy. There can be some expections while the people are not so connected with "religion" but the proportion will not be high.

Chances are that he is not.

Maybe i am wrong. But objectively answering your question, this relationship have much higher chances to fail (in a tragic way) than success.

Did you ask him to convert to Catholicism? ... Response?

My friend has married a Pakistani. He's muslim. She says muslims don't integrate at all. She says he acted very nice and charming early in the relationship, but now that they're married and with a kid she's experiencing the "Woman, do this. Woman, fetch that." attitude. He's hanging out in his own circle of friends, and with his family.

Now he's teaching Urdu to their kid and she doesn't know what he's telling. She tries to teach the kid Polish and English, but it's not looking too well.

Similar or worse scenario happened so many times before, I wonder why so many women don't want to learn on other's mistakes.

That is almost criminal in my opinion, he is denying the mother her own role!


Indeed...

To wrap it up - A Pakistani is a good man if you're a submissive woman.

Dear MS i from pakistan punjab now lives at Dubai i want to help of you

Submissive and Sadistic, since according to Islamic Law, the man is allowed to spank the woman as long as he doesn't let any visible marks.

spank the woman

Dont some women like that???

HI every body how are you friends?
i am Bilal from PAKISTAN and i read all your comments i found that all of you have considered my country as a most greedy and cheaters people are living here.

But it is not THE fact.
we also have self respect and no body is entitles to built any bad IDEA about any nation or country without knowing them closely, without visiting to them as well.

yes in some cases an some areas women were beaten by men but it not happens usually, i think there must be some cases like pakistan in europe too but the diffidence IS that PAKISTANI cases were revealed by media but Europeans gets hidden.

i just beg of you my friends that without knowing any nation please do not built your opinions about them if some body want to know PAKISTANI culture and want to see that how LOVING we are.

i welcome every body 0092 3216124871
0092 3404004204 i want to prove that we are not greedy and selfish but some people makes country's image destroy but we all are not equal.

GOD bless you MARRY CHRISM'S and HAPPY NEW YEAR in advance.

muslim women do or rather have no choice.


Yes like 40% in Pakistan to 4% Europe but you're right, it happens everywhere.


You what? :-)))


No inshallah?

There have been many instances where Pakistanis are known to convert women to Islam and take the kids away from her when things eventually start falling apart. Also, they do not let the children be of any faith other than Islam, robbing them of the opportunity to know about 2 different religions and then later on decide for themselves when they are mature enough. There have been many instances, but the most popular of the example is of Imran Khan. You can read about how he duped many foreigners below:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan
One of my Australian female friend married a Pakistani and ended up losing her kids and being abused. I would strongly suggest against it (without trying to be politically correct).

Wow holy ****, I can't believe what I walked into on this website. I'm an American who was trying to find info about marrying my Korean girlfriend and somehow stumbled on this xenophobic ********. I've never been to Poland before but there is no way in hell that you people are representative of the population.

I swear, I still have a feeling that I am being trolled. Some of the **** you people are saying are so insanely ignorant and wrong that no educated person would ever be able to even think those things about a whole race of people.

Do you "proud white poles" know who the highest earning ethnic group in the US is? Indian Americans at $86k average per year. They earn ~10k higher than the second highest, filipino americans. Brit americans are down at 5 and polish americans are all the way down at 32. In fact, the highest earning race in the US is Asian Americans followed by pacific islanders and then whites. Indians in American are a model minority. On average they get into the best schools, have no legal or drug problems and go on to enter very high powered professions. The CEO of google is an Indian who was born and spent most of his life in India. The CEO of Pepsi is an Indian women who also spent most of her life growing up in India. The CEO of Microsoft, again, is an Indian who spent most of his life growing up in India. MasterCard, Adobe and Harmon are just a few other Fortune 500 companies with Indians as their CEO's and if you head to Silicon Valley you will see Indians and Asians pretty much dominating every strata of the US tech industry which pretty much means they are dominating the world tech industry. Hell, Indians are considered so good that universities have actually been accused of not letting in qualified people into their university because if they did then there would be too many Indians compared to whites.

So I'm really damn baffled by how Indians on the other side of the ocean are literally becoming one of the most powerful groups in the most powerful/influential country in the world and over here you people are talking about them like animals and treating them worse than dogs.

I have had the fortune of going to India once for a business trip and there is no mistake that India is still a developing country. There are a lot of infrastructural and old cultural habits that need to be changed for India to become a first world country, but this is the same exact thing that every single other country has ever been through. Do you think Poland was always some beautiful Utopia? Following WW2 Poland was in shambles after fighting off a foreign power, much the same way that India was in shambles at the end of WW2 fighting of the shackles of British colonialism that had held their country for a century. Poland was paid 4.7 billion zloty for their troubles, the Indians were paid nothing. Right before the british started influencing India at the end of the 17th century India held at a low estimate 25% of the world's GDP. But no reparations were given...

Either way, the past is the past and I hardly think it's fair for the current UK citizens to pay for the wrongdoing of their forefathers. That being said though, the stupid, ignorant comments I'm reading on here are just absolutely ******* pathetic. India's GDP has grown over 4% more every year for the past 10 compared to Poland, UK and the US. If you can't see what a difficulty journey India has had and how it has started coming back from that that you are even stupider, close-minded bigots than I thought.

And all of this came from a person asking about dating/marrying a Pakistani? Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you people? How sad, lonely and pathetic must you be to project all your insecurities on Indians. All of you are the ones turning your country bad, not the immigrants entering.

Are you in a possession of statistics in which Indians are not the best at or only those indicating Indians to be superior race? :-)

Well considering the fact that this whole thread (and this whole forum) is basically about being gigantic bigots against south asians and talking about how uncivilized and aggressive and unintelligent indian men were I thought it would make sense to level the playing field with actual facts and not one-off anecdotes or news stories.

I know this doesn't fit your rhetoric but just maybe this might make you second guess your ridiculous, retarded statements. I doubt it though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

americanbazaaronline.com/2015/05/01/indian-americans-are-the-richest-community-in-the-us-with-median-income-of-100547/<
.forbes.com/200 9/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html

ewamericamedia.org/2012/07/indian-americans-most-educated-richest-says-pew-report.php