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Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid?


Lyzko 18 | 5,285    
7 Nov 2018  #241
College in general these days I have come to regard as vastly overrated, confessed to be a long-term professor myself:-)
Education has become ever so watered down, there've been blogs about it, namely "CampusMentis" on the West Coast somewhere. Gaps in our universal knowledge, save for the familiarity with our immediate surroundings, have gotten so bloated, it's no wonder, being asked where China is on a world map proved too much to handle for many junior high schoolers throughout Middle America.

Recalls the now infamous quip by George Bernard Shaw: "The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."

Shaw had the ultimate alibi of being brilliant, therefore, while dull to his teachers, he later excelled as few others in mastering the English language.

College students today usually can furnish no such convenient excuse!
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
7 Nov 2018  #242
Great post Lyzko!
The same is true here in The UK.
Higher education has become so watered down that unless you have a degree in a truly useful subject,it is next to worthless.
When I was a student,less than 10% of us went to university,I don't know the latest figures but it must be well over 30% now.

Result?
The jobs that used to be offered to A level students now need a minimum of a degree.....poorer jobs for graduates......and the poor A level students are no longer offered those jobs.....but they have a 3 year advantage and a no student debt advantage over their graduate friends.....
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
7 Nov 2018  #243
Higher education has become so watered down that unless you have a degree in a truly useful subject,it is next to worthless.

But then again, the same thing has led to Poland doing very well, as employers value the way that a large part of society is educated.
Lyzko 18 | 5,285    
7 Nov 2018  #244
Here in the US, the more people at the very top such as Trump continue to make a mockery of truth, language, and history, it ought to come as no surprise that learning, much less true scholarship, are becoming less and less valued!

Before my time, yours as well I'm sure, ball players, including the Babe, Satchel Paige and many of the other greats, earned but a pittance of what they'd be earning these days, having to paint houses during the off season in order to simply make ends meet. They obviously earned more than a policemen, letter carrier or fireman even way back then, but much more within perspective than is the case now.

I rather think that such is little more than right! After all, if an engineer, teacher, lawyer or doctor must legitimately spend long years in school perfecting their skills or craft, they ought to earn far more than someone who is only a success by dint of certain natural physical abilities, albeit enhanced by practice along with strenuous exercise.

In the movies, today's actors such as Drew Barrymore, earn more than any of the really great stars of the 30's or40's, more often than not, with far less talent.

Can we honestly compare the present Ms. Barrymore with the likes of grandpa John, great uncle Lionel or great auntie Ethel.

No, it's not that standards have simply "changed", they've downright declined in order to accommodate watered-down, popular tastes, far lower than the popular tastes of yore.
Miloslaw 8 | 874    
7 Nov 2018  #245
But then again, the same thing has led to Poland doing very well, as employers value the way that a large part of society is educated

I can't say that I'm familiar with the Polish university system.
What I will say is that most of the better educated Poles I know here in The UK took "Sensible" and "Useful" courses.
And many of them topped that up with further Open University courses in The UK.
These people are not currently benefiting Poland,but from what they say about returning home,Poland may benefit eventually.
Spike31 1 | 378    
8 Nov 2018  #246
I can't say that I'm familiar with the Polish university system.

I think the most important thing that Polish universities would benefit from would be transforming their structure to resemble that of the best American and British Universities which are always at the top of the rankings:

timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

But this takes time and money of course.

Positive thing about Polish Uni's is that they are less "political" than many other European education systems and so called "gender studies" are not as popular in Poland.

Why would someone waste 5 years of their life studying this just to become a barista in the future is beyond my comprehension.
Lyzko 18 | 5,285    
8 Nov 2018  #247
The fact is that it never has or had anything to do necessarily with what one studies at college. Can't tell you how many ex-engineering, economics, even math/stat/business majors with whom I graduated, NOT able to find even entry level work for as long as a year and a half upon graduation!

It's all a question of supply and demand, in Poland as elsewhere.

I was Modern Language Major and it simply happened that the language in which I was majoring became unusually "hot" at the start of the '90's and so my profession took off. Had that not been the case, it is most probably that I too would have had to go the barista route as well, hocking myself into debt for the rest of my life, having to put marriage, home, and children on hold indefinitely.

So happened that my particular area of academic endeavor allowed me to carve a niche for myself while still in grad school. I surely didn't plan it that way, but it was merely the luck at the time of a cooperative world economy.
Spike31 1 | 378    
14 Nov 2018  #248
Poland can into space :-)

youtu.be/yCrlzO02tMs


Miloslaw 8 | 874    
14 Nov 2018  #249
Doesn't look great to me...
Spike31 1 | 378    
14 Nov 2018  #250
It's just a first prototype. Do you remember the humble beginnings of Space X? :-)



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