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Are Polish roads really this bad?


poland_
2 May 2011 #91
i wonder if you'd test that theory when the police are watching.

The police don't seem to be doing that much about it,maybe it will change once all the cameras are up and running. The main problem in PL is the design of the roads and filters. They are overloaded currently and they need to plan a better flow system in most cities, but it all comes down to money or lack of.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
2 May 2011 #92
On Spacerowa, just up from the Blue Cactus, this is a common problem, especially in the winter

That's a bugger of a road. Round the corner on Sobieskiego it becomes a rat run too - a straight road, but people treat it like a motorway. My dog was run over there.

Spitsbergen or Antarctica then :-) Good for you!

In the Atlantic heading from Mexico towards Greenland, about a thousand miles out, roughly level with Nova Scotia. Definitely a car free zone. But plenty of seamen.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
2 May 2011 #93
but it all comes down to money or lack of.

it seems football stadia are more important.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
2 May 2011 #94
i understand that a lot of deaths are pedestrians

So do they need to educate pedestrians better...or maybe teach car drivers to stop ignoring pedestrian crossings...?

Where i live you have to be carefull on the country roads around here at night , as its not unusual to encounter drunken people in the road in dark clothing , or cyclists without lights....
sascha 1 | 826
2 May 2011 #95
it seems football stadia are more important.

Money doesn't seem to be the problem, just the focus where to put it might be wrong. Unfortunately.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,384
2 May 2011 #96
Money doesn't seem to be the problem

the city coffers in wroclaw are empty. roads for euro, yes. repair of inner city roads, no.
sascha 1 | 826
2 May 2011 #97
roads for euro, yes. repair of inner city roads, no.

As I said. Focus...
ukpolska
2 May 2011 #98
Now that's funny as I was flicking through the net looking for subjects for private lessons and I found this ditty ;0)

Even Poland's Catholic Church are praying for safer drivers lol

telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8416408/Polish-Catholic-Church-to-pray-against-road-rage.html
gumishu 11 | 5,857
2 May 2011 #99
it seems football stadia are more important.

yeah Warsaw definitely needs two new similarily big stadiums - the national one and the Legia one - both at the same time - if you wish for some lowly conspiracy theory TVN- the current owner of Legia - was and is very much in support of PO (which Mrs HGW (really nasty names in Polish) represents)
Trevek 26 | 1,702
2 May 2011 #100
great pics Pawian.
pawian 181 | 17,077
2 May 2011 #101
Yes but they are few and far between.

Slowly, slowly.

road to Warsaw

2007
2008
2010

We stayed in Wroclaw and hired a car for 2 weeks, people said I was mad to drive on the Polish roads,

Breslau road

Have you driven on the roads around Krakow?
A friend on mine busted his axle after he hit a pot hole last year.

True.

You certainly have better roads in Krakow than in Warsaw.

Not true.

great pics Pawian.

Thanks. For praising me so much, :):):) a reward:

Country road in 2007
And in 2009
wildrover 98 | 4,451
2 May 2011 #102
I rode my Harley all the way from my farm near Drawsko pomorskie to Ukraine...the only bad bit of road i came across was in the city of Lodz where it was quite badly rutted , with sticking up tram lines...

The rest of the journey was on good smooth roads...bear in mind that Harley sportsters do not have the best suspension in the world....

It was all smooth untill i got into Ukraine.... thats another story.....
poland_
2 May 2011 #103
Not true.

Matter of opinion, I was traveling to and from krakow every week mostly by car for a 3 month period last year. I thought the roads in Krakow very good, with the exception of parts of Pogorze and the main roundabout by Makro/Ikea that takes you to the A4. But then again what would I know...

I rode my Harley all the way from my farm near Drawsko pomorskie to Ukraine...the only bad bit of road i came across was in the city of Lodz where it was quite badly rutted , with sticking up tram lines...

Which way did you go Wildy, Lodz, radom,lublin or Krakow , Rzeszow?
pawian 181 | 17,077
2 May 2011 #104
I thought the roads in Krakow very good, with the exception of parts of Pogorze and the main roundabout by Makro/Ikea that takes you to the A4.

Funny, I have the same opinion but reversed. :):):) And I have travelled to and around Warsaw a few times within the last 4 years.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
2 May 2011 #105
I passed through £odz . then i think south to Rzeszow... I was heading for Ternopil on the Harley which is just the other side of Lwow...

On my second trip i went in my Jeep to Kiev...

No really bad roads on either trip , untill i got into Ukraine...
poland_
3 May 2011 #106
And I have travelled to and around Warsaw a few times within the last 4 years

The roads in Warsaw are certainly better than 2008, when a lot of road works started in the city, the main problem is the road congestion, there are times of the day when the city is gridlocked. In you live on the outskirts of Warsaw, you will have 1-2 hours travel time on a journey that would normally take 20 mins outside of peak times.

Lwow...

I travelled to Lwow twice this year, once by car in Febuary, I am sure you can imagine what that was like, in winter conditions, I really don't know how they will be ready for 2012 Euro. The second time was by train, which was great.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
3 May 2011 #107
I really don't know how they will be ready for 2012 Euro

When i went to Kiev the main road to Kiev was being resurfaced , but only in intermittant patches,,the bits they had done were nice and smooth , but in between each smooth section were long stretches of road that were quite capable of doing damage , even to a Jeep....

I had to replace both rear springs when i got back to Poland....

It will be nice when its done though....
poland_
3 May 2011 #108
It will be nice when its done though....

When are you going back to Ukraine, wildy?
wildrover 98 | 4,451
3 May 2011 #109
Well , my reason for going to Ukraine was to spend some time with my Russian girlfriend .... we can both go there without any visa problems....I drove from Poland , she got the night train from Moscow...

My next long journey will be to drive to Russia to be with my lady on a permenant basis , so there will not be a need for us to meet in Ukraine...

However , we both have some very nice memories of our time in Kiev , and we both like the city so for sure we will go back there at some point in the future....

Incidentally...yesterday it was one year since we last met in Kiev....so we are kinda missing each other a bit now....
poland_
3 May 2011 #110
Incidentally...yesterday it was one year since we last met in Kiev....so we are kinda missing each other a bit now....

Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that jazz... Good luck with it all.
wildrover 98 | 4,451
3 May 2011 #111
Absence makes the heart grow fonder

Definatly....
jwojcie 2 | 763
6 May 2011 #112
After recent long weekend in Lubuskie I was positively surprised by relatively good quility of country roads there (except some cobblestones ones) - at least near Skwierzyna. Great place for biking... Country roads in Dolnoslaskie are in bad shape in many places indeed, including centre of Wroclaw. But, yesterday part of the A8 motorring around Wroclaw was opened (now you can reach airport from it).

As a lover of a new bridge (still under construction) you must excuse me that I will post some new picture of it.
This picture includes also the object guilty of postponing some road works inside the city. There is a qustion if it was worth it. For me it was :) Besides, without this stadium this motoroway wouldn't be a priority...

Anyway by Waldemar Kluczewski:
OP rybnik 18 | 1,461
24 May 2011 #113
Wait! Poland has Chinese companies building the roads? Polish engineers can't do it?
wildrover 98 | 4,451
24 May 2011 #114
Polish engineers can't do it?

Not at a Chinese price it seems....

The fact it will fall to bits after six months is not important....
Havok 10 | 912
24 May 2011 #115
like Disco Polo.... Yes, Polish roads are horrible!

Antek how are you going to drive 140 KM/h on those?
wildrover 98 | 4,451
24 May 2011 #116
If you are going fast enough you only feel the first bump....!
Antek_Stalich 5 | 997
24 May 2011 #117
Sorry for joining this thread late.

During my PRL-time, the roads were narrow and you had to share with TIRy, tractors and horse-drawn wagons BUT they were well-paved and maintained(at least in my part of the country). The roads are full of potholes. Is this accurate? If so, wtf happened?

The number of cars in Poland before 1989 was near to nil, compared to what we have today. I can still remember the holidays of my Italian aunt and her mother, one of my Grandmas in Poland. Edith drove her Ford in Aleje Jerozolimskie passing the bridge over WKD railway at 115 km/h and the road was completely empty. Even in 1994, the traffic was so sparse I could safely ride 2 x 30 km everyday on my bicycle (to and from work). I can remember the boom in 1996/1997 when people could afford buying new cars, and then there was an explosion of imported used cars here. Unmaintained roads and enormous number of cars and especially trucks damaged most of roads.

As other posters mentioned, highways are under construction now, expressways are under reconstruction or new construction, same with principal 4-lane dual carriageways. Other principal roads are repaired/rebuilt, often from EU funds. Local roads are repaired or not, depending on the finances of given Gmina.

Good example of a city having very poor streets is £ódź. Compared to that, Wrocław is perfect. Also, let us not forget about roads leading through forests. They degrade terribly after every winter and I do not think anything except constant repairs could be done there.

I travelled the roads in Czech, before 2004 and the standard of roads were better in 2002, than they are today in Poland, so lets get the facts right.

This was the fact at that time. Now, roads in Czech Republic do not look so impressively compared to the rapid development of roads in Poland.

Jezus people .. BUILD concrete roads theyre maybe more expensive but maintience of an asphalt road is far more expensive when you have to rebuild it after a year a concrete road may sustain for years without rebuilding.

Strange but the Czech expressway/motorway from Olomouc -> Brno -> Slovakia is made of concrete and it is terribly bad. We also had a segment of the Katowice road Tomaszów -> Piotrków made of concrete; it is now reconstructed to tarmac, the concrete was not really good. I also am so happy that the old concrete road Silesia -> Wrocław was replaced with a tarmac highway; whoever drove the old Route 4 knows what I mean. (That road was built by Hitler).

Antek how are you going to drive 140 KM/h on those?

I have already been asking you to stop lying. You can drive 140 km/h on a motorway. You would probably have a speed limit of 40 km/h at the place where you are showing potholes.

I still wonder Havok what makes you so desperate enemy of Poland but I read comments of Sokrates on you and I begin understanding.
OP rybnik 18 | 1,461
10 Jun 2011 #118
I saw on TV today a gang of Chinese workers working on the A4! It was a strange sight.

1533 highway fatalities thus far.
Recee 1 | 9
16 Jun 2011 #119
I think yes, it is. Condition of roads in Poland are so bad for me. I live in Vienna, but now I am student in Warsaw. I came here 7 or 8 months ago by car. Firstly I drove to Slovakia, then I came Kraków. Once I came, I was totally surprised, even disappointed. Before coming, some of my friends said 'not go there by car.' I just thought they were kidding.

But, when I saw the roads I got it what they meant :D All roads were under construction. Driving from Kraków to Warschau was one of the worst memory in my life.

And I still live in Warschau, sometimes I feel that some people drive like crazy.

After all, I like Warschau :)

pawian 181 | 17,077
16 Jun 2011 #120
But, when I saw the roads I got it what they meant :D All roads were under construction. Driving from Kraków to Warschau was one of the worst memory in my life.

There was war in Poland. Don`t you know about it?


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