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Poles turn their backs on organised religion.


pawian 221 | 23,970
1 Apr 2021 #61
People are turning back from this apostate body towards true evangelical, biblical Christianity.

I hope so. After all, we shouldn`t give up our faith. Faith in God, of course, not the corrupt Church.

Of course, not only cover-up acts and moral corruption play a role here in reversing the tide. Also, the current alliance of the Church and the ruling rightists affects certain attitudes in youngsters who react allergically to both.
GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
1 Apr 2021 #62
we shouldn`t give up our faith. Faith in God, of course, not the corrupt Church.

Well said.

Poland is Christian to the core. Faith will certainly survive here. As for the roman-catholic religious institution... well, they will get exactly what they deserve.
pawian 221 | 23,970
1 Apr 2021 #63
Faith will certainly survive here.

Yes, but in what proportion? Like in France or Great Britain? That would be a pity coz faith certainly helps people get along in life and deal with its everyday worries.

Yet, the top clergy of the Polish Church don`t care about it - they do their best to follow this old rule: After us, the flood!
Lenka 5 | 3,407
1 Apr 2021 #64
People are turning back from this apostate body towards true evangelical, biblical Christianity

Most turn to nothing . They may still believe in god but rarely do they join different denominations
Novichok 4 | 7,353
1 Apr 2021 #65
It is funny how a confirmed atheist as you are so zealously supports religion.

Not only do I support it but actively participate in all the events and the rituals for the benefit of my family.

In fact, I made sure my kids went the whole cycle. The only things I reject with extreme prejudice and will never accept under any conditions are "miracles" and the "supernatural". I don't need those to accept the Ten Commandments, for example. What Jesus allegedly said and did should be very acceptable to every atheist with two working brain cells.

The only thing that keeps society decent are the moral values that were instilled in us by the religious teachings, not the fear of police as there are never enough of them.

Today, the last place for a kid to learn right from wrong are public schools where everything is relative, and nothing is absolute. At least here.
pawian 221 | 23,970
1 Apr 2021 #66
Not only do I support it but actively participate in all the events

I see.
So your earlier assertions (I remember a few of them) of being an atheist were just a bluff??? :):)
Novichok 4 | 7,353
1 Apr 2021 #67
My atheism does not mean fighting religion. It means not accepting the parts that violate laws of physics or anything where believing is required. All else is fine.
pawian 221 | 23,970
2 Apr 2021 #68
It means not accepting the parts that violate laws of physics

E.g, you don`t accept the part about Jesus` resurrection.

I see you treat religion in a purely instrumental way as a means of controlling the society. That`s what our local ruling class does.
Novichok 4 | 7,353
2 Apr 2021 #69
I see you treat religion in a purely instrumental way as a means of controlling the society.

I don't control anybody and anything. I just am.
johnny reb 47 | 6,791
2 Apr 2021 #70
as a means of controlling the society.

The same way some organized religions use it to control their flock.
Instill mortal mans doctrine in them mixed with God's teachings.
That's why I stick to the pure word of the Bible and ignore the man made up traditional doctrines that instill guilt and fear for the churches benefit to have control over it's congregation.
Wastrel - | 3
3 Aug 2021 #71
@Novichok
I live in a society which has rejected it's culture/religion. It has never been so important to have a national identity and religious faith...
Lenka 5 | 3,407
16 Dec 2022 #72
A big moment in state-church relations.
First Town in Poland refused to fund religion classes.

wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7,114883,29269748,lekcje-religii-w-szkole-czestochowa-nie-chce-placic-pierwsza.html
Alien 20 | 4,731
16 Dec 2022 #73
lekcje-religii-w-szkole-czestochowa-nie-chce-placic

Oh, oh, Black Madonna must be pissed.
OP jon357 74 | 21,747
16 Dec 2022 #74
She does look quite hung over in that picture...
OP jon357 74 | 21,747
16 Dec 2022 #75
Seriously though, that's one town where there's no shortage of religion at all, and no need for the people to fund it in schools.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
16 Dec 2022 #76
stop jerking off. That is pitful.
Satanic morons with their phobias. What a pitufl sight.

In fact taxes shouldn't be levied without proper procedure. One by one item. Now they tax people as they want and jobless bums called politicians are making all the desitions.
Alien 20 | 4,731
16 Dec 2022 #77
On the other hand, this town have nothing to show except religion. So it is silly not to invest in religion.
OP jon357 74 | 21,747
16 Dec 2022 #78
Let the religion invest in them. They make plenty of money.
Alien 20 | 4,731
16 Dec 2022 #79
@jon357
It's not that easy, Częstochowa lives off of pilgrims. But to be a pilgrim, you have to believe in something and that's what religion lessons are for.
OP jon357 74 | 21,747
16 Dec 2022 #80
Częstochowa lives off of pilgrims

From elsewhere.

you have to believe in something and that's what religion lessons are for.

No, that is what churches are for. Religion lessons in state schools are not meant to indoctrinate.
pawian 221 | 23,970
16 Dec 2022 #81
czestochowa-nie-chce-placic-pierwsza.html

Wow!
The so called City of the Holy Tower. Amasing!

Hey, clergy, now it is time you paid for your dirty support of PiS and other ritards. I will happily witness your ultimate demise.

Down with the Black Mafia!!! hahahaha

PS. I wasn`t always so anticlerical if you remember me from older times here. But ritards made me so.
Should I curse them or bless them ??? :):):)
johnny reb 47 | 6,791
20 Dec 2022 #82
But ritards made me so.

You sure you didn't just get caught up in your Woke agenda of Satan's lies ?
Your Faith seems rather weak if anything to blame your problem on.
pawian 221 | 23,970
20 Dec 2022 #83
Your Faith seems rather weak

You judge my faith by my wavering allegiance to RC Church?? But if we judge yours in the same style, it turns out you are also a weak believer coz you attend some modern para-christian sect meetings instead of the good old traditional Church.
johnny reb 47 | 6,791
18 Jan 2023 #84
So-called deaths of despair such as from suicide or alcohol abuse have been skyrocketing for middle-aged white Americans.
It's been blamed on various phenomenon, including opioid abuse.
But a new research paper finds a different culprit - declining religious practice.

marketwatch.com/story/deaths-of-despair-may-be-driven-by-loss-of-religion-new-research-paper-argues-11673876749
pawian 221 | 23,970
18 Jan 2023 #85
It is much less metaphysical than you believe and has little connection with God, actually. Attending religious practices imposes certain discipline on people - e.g, they should put alcohol away for a while coz they can`t be drunk at a mass. Also, when they sit there among other believers, they gain a good sense of belonging and identity.

That`s all.
Find a good reason to gather a lot of people in one place for a longer time. They will also feel great and forget about their problems.


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