Poles speaking English - examples

It's a slip. He wouldn't lose marks in an assessment.


Or anywhere else.

You're still wrong, no matter how much you argue.

I have never in my life had recourse to notes when speaking.

The bottom line is that Jon is right in everything he says and you're wrong.

Simply impossible. :):):)

He says "a politician now largely forgott--en but....

There's a hesitation or break or short pause between the two final syllables.... not a mistake in any meaningful sense

Even if he had said 'forgot' most people (including highly educated native speakers) wouldn't hear it as a mistake....

One of the dirtly little secrets of English is that endings are just not that important and native speakers (even highly educated ones) use divergent endings frequently, especially when it comes to past participles.

Added: different language communities have different approaches to their languages.... Poles are highly concerned about speaking correct standard Polish. English speakers generally don't care about 'correct' usage to the same extent. They're not completely indifferent but it's not as much a concern as it is for Polish speakers.

One reason is that first language education in English speaking countries, if it exists at all, is mostly terrible.... a bunch of myths and discredited ideas and many/most people end up hating English class and ideas like 'grammar' or 'correct'.

There are informal standards that can be very important but correctness for the sake of correctness...... not really a concern.

No, there isn`t any break when he utters the word.
However, I thought he said forgot soon but on second thoughts it can`t be soon coz it would sound even worse grammar.. He says sth like forgotson. Strange.


It is their problem what they hear. A mistake is a mistake. Simple. Ha!

He heavily aspirates the t, which Poles tend to hear as Polish c. I remember a Polish person asking me why a certain American always said cak instead of tak....

Probably, but T aspiration takes place when it is in an initial position in a word. Here it isn`t. It isn`t even at the beginning of a stressed syllable.

This way or another, a mistake. :):):)

You think too much about 'mistakes' you need to think about some other things....

That`s my job, maf. I take huge money for it each month. :):)

But I do not focus on mistakes only. I evaluate also other things and I always start with positive appraisal. Check my comment on that Legutko guy.

Well, that's because you're a foreigner, not a native English speaker. When I listened to the clip, it was quite clear to me that he said 'forgotten'. He speaks very nicely in my opinion. Once again, he has a measured, thoughtful style. Obviously you have a preference for babblers.

Fluency is not about how quickly one talks but the content and range of what one says. I have a feeling that you coach your students to sound like entrants in the Miss America pageant. 'My name is something weirdly American like Briony and I'm a major in nuclear science at some university or other somewhere in California where having long, blonde hair is more important than SAT scores. I'm really passionate about saving the planet and when I'm not doing intellectual stuff -Go Einstein! - you'll find me hanging ten off a surfboard or visiting the gel nail salon.'

No, it wasn`t, you heard it in your mind`s ear coz you expected it. Ha!!!!


You is you while me is me. I have the right to stick to my opinions. Ha!!!


Of course. I don`t have time to listen to slow azholes who drawl their words. Life is too short. Fast speakers are an advantage.

Not necessarily.... when I hear a fast talker I'm wondering what they're trying to get past me....

With politicians it can make them sound 'coached' or worse still, glib.

That can certainly be the case. Also people with a high IQ but poor social skills can talk too fast.


Quite. I remember that with Thatcher they had to get her to slow down a bit. With a local politician near me though, his fast speech sounds like he's trying to drown you with facts to make replies more difficult.

That's why I think Trzaskowski should slow down a little... he sounds a little too glib at present (maybe what you mean by 'too American').

Don`t be silly. Trzaskowski values his and his listeners/interlocutors` time. It is a great asset he speaks fast. Only limited azholes don`t appreciate it. Simple.


Rubbish.


You are definitely wondering too much. :):):)

Many who listen to him are not native speakers either and might get lost.....

Aim your delivery to your audience!

First of all, want to say it's very interesting observing this conversation. I'm not a philologist/linguist, so encountering some terms that I'm not familiar with.

Regarding the "forgot"... to me it sounds actually correct, but sort of archaic and unnecessarily pompous given the occasion.

"Forgotten politicians" vs "Politicians forgot" is kinda like JFK vs King Henry VIII.

You will never please everyone, haven`t you learnt this life rule so far??? :):):)
Mr Future President of Poland Trzaskowski clearly beats all of other guys in this thread.

Jerzy does, because he is a babbler himself and that is not just about speed but about content too.

Prove it!!!!! Ha!

Jacek Vincent Rostowski was the Finance Minister in the previous gov of Mr Honourable Prime Minister Donald
Reverend Tusk about 10 years ago. Born and raised in Britain, speaks both Polish and English like a native. Definitely better than Sikorski who came to GB at 18.



Jacek Rostowski comes from a family of Polish emigrants of Jewish origin. He is the grandson of Jakub Rothfeld (Rostowski), neurologist, professor at the Jan Kazimierz University in Lviv and the Polish Faculty of Medicine in Edinburgh. He was born in London as the son of Jadwiga née Orzech ( primo voto Vetter) and Roman Rostowski , a lawyer, initially secretary and translator of Prime Minister Tomasz Arciszewski , and later a British colonial official .

Jacek Rostowski spent his childhood in his father's workplaces - in British diplomatic missions in Kenya , Mauritius and the Seychelles . He has both Polish and British citizenship .

Super!

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This migrant bullshit is not going to end well for whites.

And Ursula von der Leyen lived in London in the Rostowski family's apartment and partied a lot, which Jacek didn't like at all.

You are very easy to control - it is enough to mention Polish Jews/Jewesses and you immediately rush back to the forum. hahahaha

He just loves Jews

But only Polish.

It must be easy for you to notice who is coming and going since you never take a day off from PF and never engage in meaningful conversations with anyone. :)

Still, it betrays your Soviet mentality that you are trying to monitor and profile people on here.




And despite all that time and energy you exhaust trying to compile dossiers on other posters you still get it completely wrong.

In fact I posted hours earlier on a different topic in another thread:

https://polishforums.com/life/poland-patrick-day-50191/7/#msg1958848

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Yes, I admit I am haunted with my little addictions occassionally..... :):):)


Forgive me that monitoring coz I simply miss you which is natural whenever you take such unusually long breaks from the forum which happens too often to my mind............... ... Is missing you such a sin???? :):):)


I take no interest in Irish holidays in Poland so I didn`t notice it.
Secondly, your participation in the forum is completely negligible unless you engage me. Everybody knows it. Simple. Ha!!!

PS.


hahaha Funny. Thanks. :):):)