Is it worth returning to Poland in old age?

Hey Pawian, in total 1800zl was deducted by PKO from my Canadian pension between Jun-Sep 2022. Having raised some 12 zgloszenia, plus 8 emails, coppied to Finance Minister, and so far have only seen circa 200zl returned. I am someone who takes good care not to lie, falsify documents, or make claims I could not substantiate. Does that set me apart from much of what goes on around me?, I could give you that. When you call me a lier, you could be brushing me with the 'ambience', therefore. Besides, from other threads on this forum I see that you are known to be pretty obnoxious, making your criticism something of a badge of honour.

Exactly, obnoxious to liars.


That is income tax. You can blame regulations which impose them.
However, you suggested the bank unlawfully robs you of your money which wasn`t true. So, you were lying.

Income tax is chargable on money earned. If you for example make voluntary contributions to an overseas savings account, and by their terms begin to withdraw your equity, that is not income. And health insurance? I already pay full ZUS. And where is the note from bank or Urzad Skarbowy, asking me to sign authorisation note for bank to act on behalf of Urzad Skarbowy? I guess we dispense with such nauances. Banks duty is to protect clients funds. Not to provide access to random institutiins to help themselves to your saving, without even so much as advance notice or a receipt. This is another thing, in Poland no trader is allowed to take your money without issuing a receipt or faktura to the client. All except PKO. They do not need to follow this law, because they are special. Is there any sound regulator or gov ombudsman in Poland who'd examine abuse of customer confidence in Poland? I guess not. Which is why in a proper country you get 1 ticket per solution, when in Poland you get 20, 9 emails, 4 visits. and the issue still unresolved. PKO should look for ways to make money ethically. Not by raiding their clients savings, with full connivance of their crony government acting as their accomplice.

Tell it to PiS gangsters who think differently. They introduced such regulations......


.......so stop blaming the state bank coz it has to do what rightard rulers decided.

For now it is safer to be far from Poland due to the unpredictability of the russians.

Dropping English and going back to polish? No way!

@Novichok
Why not? Poles are delighted if foreignes speak Polish.

They may be delighted. I would be suicidal.
I am often within a distance which allows me to recognize polish being spoken by a couple of guys. I can hear it and still don't understand what they are saying. With American English everything is crystal clear. I can't stand polish for this and ten other reasons.

@Novichok
If these are young builders, they insert a break in the form of the word "ku..wa" (which is indecent) about every 5-th word. You just have to leave out this word, then you will understand them.

Those kurwas are, in fact, a clue that the weird sounds are polish. Another tipoff - that polish rolling r.
And the structure. Here, we use nouns and verbs in a customary order plus a few decoration words. Overdoing it makes you look like a showoff and a clown, or a guy who likes poetry and reads too much.

PiS unpredictability is also harmful - it causes chaos which those PiS gangsters are not able to control. .

Doesn't the polish police arrest gangsters?

No, coz the police is controlled by gangsters who appoint commanders and chiefs. Also PiS gangsters control prosecutors. Recent stories show that offenders who break the law but are somehow connected with PiS are looked on leniently by the PiS police and attorneys.

OK, I got it. Poland is a gangster country.

Yes! Under rightard PiS it is, definitely. Things will change when rightards are removed from power.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Tell me, do you also think that rightards are complete villains???

Sure but they won't change for a better.

Third world countries always have their share of corrupt Liberal gangsters trying to get into power to destroy the values of a country.
PO is more liberal and is for European Socialism than PiS and has a left wing, for example, for free abortion and same sex marriage destroying Poland's values.

PiS has criticized the PO for conducting an overly German and Russian-friendly policy in office until 2015.
In economic matters, PiS calls itself "more social", which mainly means that they are for a stronger state involvement in the economy.
In the family policy and abortion issue, PiS adheres to the message of the Catholic Church and opposes PO's more liberal attitude.

The PO gangsters are hell bent on destroying what Poland was built on making the older generation cringe at the gangsters' sins and never returning to Poland again.

PiS is the only hope for Poland to survive as a Christian country that made Poland what it is.

Yes, rightards from PiS turned Poland into the third world country in Europe. That`s sad but true.


That is slowly coming to an end and nobody can stop this process. It is unstoppable coz the RC CHurch has been rotting so long it ceased to become an authority to Poles. Too many scandals with corruption, pedo cases, political involvement etc etc. It is time for them to be gone and forgotten.

Knock that crap off. Poland is a democracy. Or is democracy good only if the leftist scum is in charge?

Still coz we are in the EU, thank God. If we weren`t, PiS would feel free to dismantle it as they wish.


The problem is that leftists respected democracy, while riightists abuse it enthusiastically coz they believe they are above everything.

Quite the opposite, Leftists think they know better what is good for the people than what the people know what is better for them.

Not here. Leftists were always wary of abusing democracy in free Poland coz they tried to avoid being equated with themselves as communists earlier on. It is rightists who feel completely unconstrained.

Maybe I will return to Poland to a retirement home, if I can afford it. I know the language.

Not true at all and quite the opposite.
The Leftist abuse democracy by indoctrinating Marxism actually like you do on the PolishForums.com. is a form of communism, silly.
Marxism is a left-wing to far-left method of socioeconomic analysis that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to understand class relations and social conflict and a dialectical perspective to view social transformation.

In fact that is full well why you started this forum with your hand full of atheist schoolteachers.
You have even admitted that you prefer that Poland be Christian free.
What older person would want to move to a place where there is no Christianity that their country was founded on ?
You thrive on your anti PiS democracy for your view on "social transformation" and that is why you hate the PiS who oppose you..
There is nothing 'wary' about that at all.
I know many Polish people here in the U.S. that have no desire to ever return to Poland again for that reason.

I was once considering to buy a small one for ourselves(10/20 people) but the language part is a barrier for me but am still open.Shoot me a pm if you want to discuss seriously.I did a research sometime ago and found a basic one could cost around 3 to 4l euro and a middle one for 6 to 7k a person with a pvt room and on site nurse,Ambulance etc.I lost the number of a guy who has one by German border and has no vacant places and caters to all German clients.

@Cargo pants
I still have time. I have to work at least 7 years bevore retirement. My dream would be winter in Portugal Algarve, sommer in Germany Ostsee. But it is only dream. Poland is more real.

I have time too but I always like to plan my life 10 to 20 years or more ahead,guess for the same reason I retired at 44.

@Cargo pants
Ha, at 44 I was for the first time CEO (some sort of). I am glad with my job but I have still to work. My friend CEO become last week 80 years old and he is still in our businnes. Of course voluntarily, but for good money.

Retiring needs a new definition. I have seen so many who retired only to volunteer after the joy of being useless wears off.

That is why I am planning to retire when I am 80 or later, being too senile to walk along school corridors.