All Things Christmassy in Poland

In iconography wings are a symbolic shorthand for transcendence and divine agency. It's fairly standard across cultures, so even a complete idiot like you should understand it and not take it literally. Religious symbolism isn't constrained by physics, Rysiu.

Why do I waste my time on you?

@mafketis

You were right all the time. Chapeau bas.

Everything in religions is symbolic. Anything that is real is not a religion. We call "nature". Hence, "we know" vs "we believe"...


Do you take "God" literally as an older man or as a symbol?

Religion is really little, indeed nothing, more than a higher moral structure. Some call that G-d, others Christ, still others Jaweh, Allah and so on.The Kantian hypothesis doesn't hold water, as he didn't postulate the existence of G-d, instead why G-d could logically NOT exist! These are two separate concepts Kant tackles for numerous pages in his Critique of Pure Reason.

*sighs*

Literally? Man? Older?

Take God literally as a man? What kind of nonsense is that? Older? Using temporal terms to talk about God who is extratemporal is nonsensical as well.

You don't even know what questions to ask and how to ask them. You simply don't have the conceptual framework needed to even have this discussion. You are like a 5-year-old trying to discuss differential and integral calculus, and I don't feel like compensating for 75 years of intellectual delay with you.

Rd.#423.

OK.

What is God?

G-d is man's representation of a higher order beyond our ability to grasp. Some call it nature.

So "God spoke to me" is a lie.

So is "God created the Universe".

Right?

Not to be taken literally, Rich.
Ever watch "Inherit the Wind" w/Frederic March and Spencer Tracy?
The world was created in seven days. But how long was a day? Perhaps a million years!
Do you also not believe in dinosaurs, Rich?

Hey, Torq, did you know that it was Man who created God, not the other way around....

A distinct probability, folks.
Man's ability for inventiveness is limitless!

Both you and Lyzko are wrong but I don't feel like educating you.

After all, it's your anuses that will be stretched in hell, not mine. Have fun.

@Torq,
Never allow religion to interfere with your knowledge of science. After all, both are headed in the same direction!

Why would I? "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth", as Saint John Paul II wrote.

There ya go, buddy!
We're on the same homepage...until you decide to turn it😁

Now you turned into a terrorist, and not any better than ISIS.

You also confirmed that religions are parts of a totalitarian system where asking questions is not allowed. Earlier, that would get you executed.

Other parts that prohibit not only any opposition, but god-faith questions regarding the facts claimed by the promoters:

Islam
trans movement
feminism
communism
fascism
global warming
infectious diseases

So...

What is God?

Or are we now in the "what is a woman" hellhole?

Congratulations to the Amish!

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Hey, don't shoot the messenger - I didn't make the rules, God did. :)


Which part of... ... you didn't understand?

Who or what created God, and when?

We know when Jesus was born and killed, so...

Who or what created YOU and why????

That's an easy question...

"God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction".

Ryszard is a vessel of wrath whose anus is prepared for destruction in hell. He seems to be in denial about it but the scritptural evidence is overwhelming.

They have two separate missions...

Science is about describing the physical world without value judgements or meaning attached

Religion is about value and meaning, apart from the physical world.

The problem is atheists try to derive meaning from physcis and theists try to derive physical reality from religious values....

Both are best when they keep their distance from each other and stay in their own lanes.

In other words:
Science = the function of things
Religion = the meaning of things

That about the size of it?

Fvck off. This discussion is not about me.


Sure enough, a PF religious freak picked it up immediately to avoid answering my question:

Who or what created God, and when?

This question is merely a continuation of the creation discussion, except walking backwards. Cops do it all the time.

If the freaks can claim that God created the Universe, I can ask who created God.

The same was true of Mary's pregnancy that led to Jesus' birth. How did that pregnancy begin?

The starting point is an unfertilized egg inside Mary. Then, at the age of 11, something happened, and the egg got fertilized.

What was it?

I vote that it was a statutory rape by that POS Joseph, who today would get 25 to life for this stunt. Later, he would be killed by inmates in a US prison.

Memo to Christians: Get your shlt together and come up with a better story that does not make men like me throw up and reach for a gun...

I would do just that if God decided to get my 11-year-old granddaughter pregnant. He would be a very dead God instantly...

One more thing...Don't even try to give me that crap that in those days getting 11-year-old children pregnant was culturally acceptable...

It is a crime because of biology, no morality...A child at that age is not developed enough deliver a baby.

God should know this. I am assuming that God graduated from a medical school in less than a minute...

Religious freaks cross into my lane when they replace "believe" with "is.

The difference couldn't be bigger...

Memo to the freaks: Use maybe, allegedly, appeared, probably, believe ...and other such terms, and we will be friends.

For example, Jesus allegedly walked on water.

So did I when I went to the beach this summer.

Why do Christians have that need to spice up things and expose themselves to ridicule without an upside...

God has always existed, beyond time. That is why He is God. People cannot comprehend living beyond time and space, just as they don't understand the immaculate conception. Using human logic is pointless when it comes to some of the works of God.

This is Bible 101. You should have been given answers to these basic questions in second grade.

Hhow did that egg get fertilized?

The egg got fertilized through the works of the Holy Spirit. It was a miracle by human standards:

Isaiah 55:8-9: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways... As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Don't confuse Immaculate Conception with Virgin Birth, Ron. The former applies to Mary, the latter to Jesus.

As for Novichok, he is best ignored. 80 years old is way too old for education and his stubbornness makes repentance and conversion highly unlikely. We have to accept that he is a vessel of wrath prepared for destruction. God is great.

So God had a proxy, the Holy Spirit. Many people go to sperm banks today...

The question of how the Holy Spirit turned an unfertilized egg into a fertilized one is still valid since that fertilized egg was very real.

BTW, I am assuming that the Holy Spirit got the parents' and the girl's consent. If not, it was a prima facie rape. Period.