Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up

one of those competitions where they leap about in a leotard waving ribbons?
i cannot wait..:)

Common sense again, the problem that those opposing female emancipation have is that they have no arguments so they trawl up all sorts of nonsense like tennis and firemen. One must go to first principals, do you consider people to be equal within biological norms. If the answer is yes then the dispute centres on how society is organised and if the answer is no then there is no hope.

So called equality as seen by feminist and all that philosophy do not make sense Paulina. (that video-link posted by zimmy makes a lot of sense).

Parliamentary or government quotas are nonsensical nonsense if i may say so. After all women have the right to vote and if they wanted to vote on women they would, nobody force them to do otherwise.


Women have also different psyche as well. All that for a good reason and both sexes should compliment each other.


Really? Don't you think that goes beyond sexes? peculiar view you have on the issue. Would that be all right if buddies were women? so blame buddies system not men or sexes differences.


so there is the right to vote, to be elected, women can do what they want really. Somehow and out of the blue it is not enough and not fair and it is men fault.

Paulina are you serious?

If you say so, Iron lol I'm sure you know everything better :)


Well, I have some issues with that film but it's too hot, so I won't bother today.


It's a bit more complicated than that.
But as I've mentioned in some previous post - I'm not for parity.


It does and it doesn't. As I wrote - my mum was the only woman on that position in her workplace (I was pretty baffled when she told me about it) and it wasn't even a very high position. The "prezesi" and "wiceprezesi" are always men, from my experience.


No.


I do too, but the sexist attitude also exists.


Iron, why are you addressing this to me? lol
I already wrote that I'm not for parity and quotas so what do you want from me?

Yes, sometimes discrimination is men's fault, sometimes it's also women's or maybe rather society's fault in general.
Why there haven't been a woman president in the entire history of USA, for example?
There are women presidents and prime ministers (chancellor Merkel comes to mind) in some other countries. I doubt there's a shortage of ambitious women in America.

I doubt a woman would make a worst job as a president than George W. Bush, for example ;D So what's the problem?
You see, it ain't that simple. Attitudes have to change too, mentality, not only law. I don't think we're quite there yet, even in the US. Maybe more so in some Western European countries?

If you disagree with me tell me why.


Well that film is an answer to feminist propaganda but crux of the matter is that domestic violence should be addressed in a proper manner, not blaming everything on men and their alleged attitude. That not science that ideology - that the point of the film and it is hard not to agree with that.


Why? If women in Poland wanted women to rule them and women in Sejm - they are majority they would voted them no problem.


What do you mean? Maybe women are not perfectly suited for every-job?


Maybe because most women are not interested in politics and if they are they are voting men, simple.


I don't think that there are some widespread common mentality which need to be changed or addressed. I think that dividing people along a line of sexes is wrong.

After all it is nonsense? How you gonna do it in practice? After all those Democratic countries that want Presidents or PM to be women can do it in no time by the overwhelming votes of either sex.

All that changes and stuff is just social engineering and cultural revolution both things ugly if you look at them close up.

Oh, what's the point, Iron? :) You clearly made up your mind already.


As I wrote - it was too hot and I got to go now anyway, sorry. Maybe some other time I'll write what I think.


As I wrote it's a bit more complicated than that, imho.


What jobs exactly? I think any job that involves using your brain is suited for women.


What if they are interested? Are most men interested in politics? I haven't noticed among the people I know such division. Both sexes are usually equally interested or disinterested.

As for voting for men - women can also be part of the problem, as I wrote, because that's the way society brings us up. Women can be also convinced that a man must be a better candidate because... well, "because" :) Because that's the way it's always been. I think women are more likely to don't believe in themselves in such case, because that's the way we were brought up.


Who said anything about dividing? Quite on the contrary.


I don't know what you're talking about in this sentence, tbh.

OK, those are my thoughts on the subject :)
Gotta go, see ya.

I think those questions are a laughably veiled reasons why polonius believes that men and women are not equal, and a sad proof that he does not understand what feminism means.

Feminism means promoting women's interests, gains and advances to the exclusion of everything else. Equality when it's convenient (like when cushy, prestigious, highly paid and decision-making post and involved) and inequality (such as sports and physically strenuous jobs) when women cannot measure up.

Well:

fathersforlife.org/articles/report/resptojw.htm

It's a good thing that the fact women are far more likely to kill their children then men is an hidden statistic or we'd have to suffer through the barrage of faux-psychologists telling us why infanticide is a necessary and even positive evolutionary strategy to improve society while arguing that women who kill their children are victim of circumstances and should be pitied, not condemned, even though that contradicts the previous assertion of infanticide being a natural strategy. Feminism and logical consistency just don't mix very well.

no Polonius it means equality of opportunity in education and employment.
There are a lot of you poor men suffering from what ails Kondzior

What is the point on posting on forums then if not exchange of arguments? trolling?


Nothing complicated about that, women are free to vote for anyone be it a woman be it a man.


Now you are being sexist, seen the men as fit better for physical work.
To answer your point - brain is distributed evenly in both sexes but both genders differ in psyche and priorities and the way they approach problems. In my opinion fewer women than men make are a good material to be a boss. Those who do are in minority and hence their problem - that all but that would be a natural selection.


Ah so women vote on men and all this big hallo feminists are making is to brainwash them into voting on women just because they are women.

Pretty name just to say - hey we know better and you are stupid slave to a convention - our convention is better cause it is #(befits us few).


Sure another case when you are telling to people that their thinking is wrong and not-modern and they should listen to you. Why?/ just because.

In that case if they do not their ass from their elbow why do they have the right to vote?Shouldn't that be restricted to only those citizens who know what they are doing not some morons. The problem is who is going decide who are those wise people.


so far its all about women so how is that not dividing.


do you know what social engineering and cultural revolution are? If not look it up.

There is a lot of this going on - redefing a term to suit ones own agenda. And then conditioning fools to react to it, like Pavlov's dogs. They did it to another wonderful word - liberal, and turned it into something completely different. Conservative brainwashing.

Look up the definition of feminism in dictionary and compare it to your own to see how skewed it has become.

Definitions are one thing, but how they are actually practised is what really counts. Just to prove the point -- are you in favour of true partiy and total equality across the board? Equal pay, yes, but also equal representation not only in parliament but also in sports and all occupations including changing tyres at the PKS coach station?

How can anyone in favour of gender equality condone giving women the same prizes as men in professional tennis for fewer matches and poorer performance. So don't send us off to dictionaries, please, but do explain how skewed feminist inequality can be called equality.

You must take your queues from Orwell's 'Animal Farm' where everybody was equal except some were more equal than others. Sounds like the feminist credo!

this is the sort of stupidity that is used to deflect from the real purpose of feminism.
If you're totally unaware of women's struggle, then there is nothing I can help you with.

A struggle to eat their cake and still have it. No, girlies, you can't have it both ways. Coś za coś.

and you cannot have it any way at all , that is more than obvious.
get a job, get a life....get a wife...oh i forgot...sorry!

don't worry, polonius, unfortunately, there are still women out there that you can pay for.

Ad personam is a great way to try and confuse the issue when one runs out of arguments. What specifically in the films about favouritism shown women do you disagree with? The Titanic and burning house episode? Or are you saying the film lies about Wimbledon situation? Or are you saying the film isn't lying but women deserve handicaps, extra points, special consideration and/or preferential treatment simply because they are...well, women.

referring to women as 'girlies' was quite a calculated wind-up which paved our way - so i am sorry but you have only yourself to blame.

and by the way the expression is 'ad hominem'.

I thought that was sexist and ad personam was gender-neutral.

Anyway, earlier today Zimmy asked a basic question which has been conveneitnly avoided: Can you point out any facts presented in that video which are false.? Don't generalize, please be specific. Just calling someone a misogynist doesn't cut it. Anyone can do that. I can call you a man-hater but that's not an argument.

No, I have no intention of watching videos that try to re-define what feminism is.
Again, try to concentrate on all the good that feminist movement did.
Do you need a reminder?
Let's start with this: do you think women should have a right to vote?

No, i think they should be kept unschooled, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen (LOL)!

The fact of the matter is: feminism ≠ equality of the sexes.
Feminists know this yet they keep banging on like it's the 1970's and they're oh so repressed.

You ridiculous broads and the dung beetle-like men who cling to your cause fall back on vague terms like "women's struggle' and petty insults when the reality of the feminist agenda is exposed. And you all collectively feign being insulted if someone plays with you a little on an internet forum. No fair individual should be promoting women not have fair opportunities but feminists as well as anyone with an agenda have proven that time and time again, over the long-term, they don't actually want anything to be fair, they want an unfair advantage for themselves or those they claim to represent.

Listen to that lecture I posted and say what you think about what she's stated. IMO she's not wrong on a single thing but maybe some of you have some information she doesn't.

ok, I'll take it as sarcasm.
Next: do you think they would have won that right without a feminist movement?

In the early ninties my mother worked with four other women in a office. And only two of them all didn't have to regularily put on a violet make up to cover the brusies their husbands gave them One of them in the end ended up in hospital with broken ribs, jaw pulled teeth and other things. Do you want to know why? Because her husband jumped on her and banged her head against the wall. So don't ask me Polonius to calmly watch a movie in which part of the blame for things like that is put on the victim. Most of my friends' mums were hit at least once by their husbands. Now at least women know they have other option and don't have to put up with men like that.

And I don't say men are not abused- but funnily enough it's female groups that tell hem it's no shame to go to the police. It's feminist circles that welcome single fathers that want equal rights with single mothers.

I think that you completely missing the point here.

Oh no Iron, I'm not. In the movie are parts like that women have bruises simply because when men defends himself he is simply stronger so sorry winetou. No Iron. I never lauged or ridiculed any victim of domestic violence. Men included. If something escalates to the point of hitting there is nothing understandable about it. One side or the other. And thanks to that "crazy" feminists victims of such violence are getting help more often every year

you are, instead of watching pictures you should listen to what they are saying.
I posted it somewhere:

@ Ironside, no, it's you, not Lenka, who is missing the point. She's saying that domestic violence was quite commonplace in a developed country only 20 or so years ago. Indeed, there's still plenty of it around today. Why? I'd say the attitudes of some men towards women is the root cause, in that they think it's OK to take out their anger or frustration on the women they live with. Then the attitudes of some other men in positions of influence in the police and the courts system who don't investigate or prosecute such crimes. Then there are the attitudes of some women who think that such behaviour is excusable, the way things are in life, and the economic structure of society that means that a lot of women, especially those with children, may not have the economic independence to walk away for men who abuse them.

Videos from woman-hating Americans who make out that domestic violence is often the fault of women legitimise and reinforce terrible abuses.

This is a forum for people who have an interest in and affection for Poland. More than half of Poland's population is female. Surely people on this forum should want dignified and safe lives for them, which means we should condemn the apologists for domestic violence and support campaigners for improving women's rights, in Poland and elsewhere.

Iron- if it was unbiased and serious I would agree. As I said- I hate the idea of men being ashamed of the fact that they are abused by a women and that when if some of them do report it they are often laughed at by police officers and told that thay should be able to handle their own women. This situations should be treated with the same stern approach but don't tell me that anything presented in that movie was even remotely ok.