Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up

Unfortunately that's the very opposite of what you're doing.


Spot on. The guy seems to object to any sort of social engineering unless it fits with what he pretends are his priorities and then he pushes it strongly and with a whiff of totalitarianism. Kinder, Kuche, Kirche...

Interesting that what Men do is still seen as the norm/preferred option in society and that as a result women are seen as lacking.

Push a 9lb baby out of your penis and then keep it alive using only your body for 6 months and then we can talk.

Who said that? I didn't. All I said was that most Polish women are mainly concerned about their families and jobs. Family does not mean household drudgery and being chained to a cooker. It also involves enjoying family meals and watching TV together as well as outings, celebrations, summer holidays and other forms of having fun together. It also means sharing household chores -- some men are better cooks than their wives and don't mind doing the cooking. If a woman is better at mending the family car, let her go for it. Bringing children up should also be a joint undertaking -- single-parent homes usually deprive kids of ta fuller family dimension.


It is the socially left-wing posters with all their phoney political correctness drivel, hare-brained relativism and christophobia that pollute this forum.


But in a free country (and I presume you regard Tuskite Poland as such) everyone is free to discuss things. Discuss is a different verb than decide, innit? If not sure, please consuilt a hard-copy or online dictionary. The same difference emerges in Polish: dyskutować to nie decydować!

The Warsaw women's gathering is debating whether to create a women's party. But didn't writer Manuekla Gretkowska already set up a Partia Kobiet a few years ago?

Just saying that more and more women have other aspirations than just raise kids (and take good care of their jobs, of course, which is not always easy to combine), which I find understandable.


That's very true. Strangely, you seem to forget this little detail when I and others discuss about religion and other things you 'fight' and live for, and you start calling people 'funny' names.


Yes, freedom of speech as you said, but at what price? ;)

It's odd that you attempt to compare an illegal profession with honest jobs. Fact is, most illegal professions are dangerous. Gay male prostitutes are at higher risks and drug running, bank robbing, etc all contain higher elements of danger to life, limb and liberty.

As to legitimate occupations, my point cannot be disparaged since males account for 94% of all job fatalities (annually). That's why I made the point that if feminists want real equality, they should insist that women take on these higher paying but more dangerous professions. Instead, their definition of "equality" is that women should be presidents, managers, CEO's, etc, etc while ignoring the many thankless jobs that men do that they take for granted.


I don't posit it as the "norm" although statistically that would seem to be the case for men (not women). Do you understand the difference? You inadvertently point out a "norm" for women when you make the point that women give birth.

See below........


You have me at a disadvantage here because your genital opening is much larger than mine. Also, I don't have a uterus so I can't get pregnant :)


In my extensive dating past, on more than one occasion a woman has told me that she would like to have a penis, even for just one day "to feel what it's like".I've told them they could have the next best thing......for one night :)

Maybe in your country. Not here.

No, they want the same chances, and not being discriminated for their gender, which I find legitimate, don't you?
Equal chances, that's what it is about. Remember when Black people fought for these rights.

ZIMMY

"Do you understand the difference? You inadvertently point out a "norm" for women when you make the point that women give birth"

*sigh* yes Z I understand the difference. And it wasn't 'inadvertant' - never mind....

".I've told them they could have the next best thing......for one night :)"

lol, time rations eh?

I don't see anything deceptive at all. Your argument is that the Women's Congress says it speaks on behalf of Polish women, but you think it only represents a certain section of Polish women e.g ' Feminists '. These are your views Polonius, how can you know what the thoughts of all Polish women are? What this Congress is about is equality for women, and i don't see anything wrong with that. You obviously do.

So it's less dangerous when it's legal, right?


Absolutely, but you seem unaware of the many anti-male comments by feminist leaders which I've presented in these forums a couple of years ago in full detail. There was even a feminist gender studies professor at Boston College (Mary Daly) who would not allow males into her courses. This lasted 20 years as she was tenured. Can you imagine a male teacher attempting that? That's just one example of zillions where "political correctness" takes on a life of its own and society allows such injustices to prevail. You seem blind to such abuses.

Western feminism has been hijacked by misandrist females who in effect demand superiority, not 'real' equality.


I always want the women in my life to have a good time and preferably a great time. When they see me again, I want them to sigh..........


I have Polish female spies who send me reports every Friday morning. When I visit Poland I reward them :)


I almost gag when I hear the "equality" references. Who could argue with that? The reality is quite different, particularly when it comes to western feminists. Their demands for affirmative action for women have to do with preferences, not equality of opportunity. Men and women are different yet so many feminists insist that these differences are 'social constructs' and not natural. Too bad so many naive people are unaware of the inherent misandry in feminism. Just saying one is for "equality" misses the real agenda.

I agree, that's not acceptable. But I doubt all feminists support these things. There are extremists everywhere, that's the thing.

serwis.papnews.com.pl/00c40602/navsetting.nlx?shq=143
Tusk was shouted down at the Women's Congress by radical pro-homosexual agitator Anna Zawadzka who screamed over a loud-hailer that he had neglected to force through the civil parntership law. Embarrassed by her outburst, delegates began loudly applading to drown out her verbal attacks and someone tried to take Zawadzka's loud-hailer away. Tusk said he hadn't been prepared to address the topic in his speech but added that going overboard with that issue could prove counterproductive.

disengenous Z., she would teach them, just not allow them into her classes.
also, she retired from Boston Uni in 1999 so it is hardly breaking news.
there have been plenty of courses from which women were effectively banned, just not so publicly or loudly, usually done with obscure 'coding',
for example one medical school in London ran a coding system right up until the nineties - only those with a certain code would be interviewed, and women and black candidates were coded otherwise.

shall we talk about the SCUM manifesto as well?
lol

The OP thinks the Women's Congress is to representative of all Polish women. Surely it would be more constructive of him to encourage more women to get involved and express their views at the event, rather than to criticise it? Unless, of course, he wants to marginalise women's issues and take cheap shots at feminists.

quite

All women's issues? Under that heading there are all kinds of things which I don't know if you support.
-- Equal pay for equal work is an absolute must.
-- But some feminists insist on cushy, well-paid managerial and academic posts and would like to leave the hard, dirty, dangerous jobs to men. Where are the dustwiomen, minerettes and female lorry drivers??

-- If there is to be equality why have men's and women's Olympic comeptition? Everyone should be on equal footing and may the best 'person' win!

-- Much of today's feminism is permeated with more or less open misandry, the hatred of and negatuive stereotyping of males. Can one cure one form of discrimination with another?

-- Something called 'gender studies' is offered at American unis (maybe elsewhere as well?), and taxpayers' money is used to fund among other things classes teaching wiomen how to masturbate. collegefeministsconnect.org/2013/05/embracing-female- masturbation-by-chloe-vraney-also-last-week-was-clitoris-awarenes s-week.html - just in case any of the link-mongers speak up!

-- Feminism entrenches a 'me and them' dichotomy rather than stressing that we are all human beings first and foremost.
-- The Warsaw Women's Congress has set up a poltical council with a view to possibly evolving into a politcal party. Why is it most likely that it it will be a leftist, pro-abortionist and anticlerical grouping? Most Polish women are not!

Well, that one is 'special'. It's a very manly job. If a woman wants to do that job, she has to be prepared to be mocked, and get told sexist jokes (for instance). Not as inviting if you're aware of that. But I heard more and more women become lorry drivers, so probably things are slowly changing.

Now you're making excuses for her. Excluding male students from gender study classes is discriminatory; but not by feminist double-standards.


She was protected for 2 decades. If you believe the relatively recent past shouldn't count than feminists should begin their calender of complaints from (let's say) 2000. You can't have it both ways.


Yes indeed, the "coding" was so obscure that no one can find it. lol
For your info, if anything, women are allowed priority in virtually everything. I've even had to hire a couple of less qualified women over more qualified men just to keep the EEOC off my back. Talk about real discrimination......


But, but, but, didn't you state that "it is hardly breaking news" since you are using the 90's as past criteria?


If there are "womens' issues" than are there 'men's issues" as well? Seems like our current culture marginalizes men by making fun of them while conversely tip-toeing in dainty manner when it comes to women. Note advertising for instance.


I've previously proven to any sensible thinking person that women do not get paid less for the same work. Just common sense tells you that in aggregate women make less because of the jobs they chose; the amount of time on the job and working less overtime. There are other factors but those are the big 3.


That's one of several walls that feminists run into. They duck such observations. Instead they squawk, "anything a man can do a woman can do, and better". Evidently not. Another wall is the fact as you noted, that women choose jobs that are less dangerous than many jobs men choose. Of course such positions pay more, which is another philosophical wall that feminists ignore.


Well stated! Exactly right!


Not in the companies I'm very familiar with. Men get fired for even coming close to 'verbally assaulting' a woman. Here's how ridiculous it has become. A man was fired from Motorola Company because he had a picture of his wife in a bathing suit on his work desk. Another woman complained that it was "offensive". The scared 'politically correct' office managers told the man to pack his briefcase and go home.He was let go. He hired an attorney and 10 months later was reinstated to his job. But that's what it took. That's how crazy this has all become. Women can feel "offended" whenever they want to be. I've previously given you in another thread my experience with the "offended female".

Very much so.


Within living memory women couldn't attend some European Universities, never mind individual tutors' preferences.

That's extreme, of course, can't disagree with you on this. But still, I think it's more an American thing. I don't hear such things here. Lots of people have pictures of their family in their office, and it can't be taken as 'offensive'. I once read that America was very (too much) pro-feminist, the extremist version, from what you told me ;)

Prostitution is legal the nature of the work means that most will be women just as most of the jobs you mentioned suit men, in some women were not allowed to do them. The point that feminists make is that pay and opportunity to advance should be equal.

TV news reports are showing what an ordeal Tusk went through at the feminist free-for-all. Not only did head homophile Anna Zawwadzka give him the business for not enactign the shack-up law and not being supportive of homosexuals. He was also booed when he said he wiould not support any change in comrpomise abortion law now in place. No-one ever saw him so intimidated, forlorn and nonplussed. If he could, he would have crawled into the nearest mosue hole. I actually felt sorry for him. He sure was glad to get out of that place.

"head homophile"
You object that she likes men? Or you're just too busy being confused about what the hell all those women think they're doing with shoes on and out of the kitchen to actual think about what you're saying?

In the war against Khadaffi, some of the pilot aces were women.

The OP think it isn't not representative and so do I. That event is already highly politicized and ideologically biased. It is not as it claims the Women Congress but Ideological Congress of Some Women. In that light your advice seems somewhat amiss.

When you speak about marginalizing women issues you are showing yourself to be talking rubbish. What is that animal women issues?
Such Congress will not solve any woman issues, they will talk about few lesbian and few outlandish Seuss which do not affect majority of women at all.

It's the opposite of a homophobe. A a woman who loves man very much would be an androphile.

Oh heaven's no, it's not about that for a good many of the women there.
It's about the women organizing and heading these things to grab power and influence for themselves. That they hitch themselves to this cause is merely a means to an end.


I think Bill Burr said the same thing...of course his delivery is what makes it funny.

Not everyone is naive Zimmy, and I'm sure it does exist, but you can't tar all feminists with the same brush. Most just want to not be discriminated against on the grounds of gender, and to have the same chances as men.


For some of these women that may well be the case. Just because I would support a movement campaigning for women's rights, doesn't mean I'm naive enough to think that some of these women don't have their own agenda for climbing on board.Power hungry people exist everywhere. BUT, at the end of the day they are raising awareness for issues concerning women, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

If anyone is interested, here is a link about the Women's Congress:

kongreskobiet.pl/Content/uploaded/files/Congress%20of% 20Women%202013_guide.pdf

I hope the meet-up will be a success and i wish all the ladies a great time! :)

What that mean? In details.
Cause it doesn't make sense to me.


what issues are women issues only?