"I think that as dolnaslask said it is different generation"
We are that different generation , it was a different story during the bolshevic wars for instance when it was seen that certain sides were take by minority groups in Poland, pain anger and intolerance ensued, my grandfather lived and fought though those times.
BUT this is old history now , just the same as the war with Germany in WWII, Its OVER, the new generation of poles do not carry the baggage of the old days, this is the same for the young people of Germany today. we have moved on to a better future.
Only the random lunatics live in the past, and if they are not careful they will turn into a pillar of salt.
Your occasionally "mixed metaphors" notwithstanding, I too hope and pray for a more enlightened as well as open society in Poland....up to a point, of course:-)
Sorry you would have to explain all that to me I never paid attention in English class, I don't understand what a ""mixed metaphor" is although I have heard it mentioned before, I certainly cant be bothered to look it up on the internet.
For future reference I also do not know what a verb or adverb or vowel is .
But im ok with Cartesian products bodmas 345 and stuff like that.
Hehe, certainly some Labour events, especially in Islington.
It could cause problems if someone was walking alone through some of the cities here; the Chief Rabbi was beaten up in the street in Warsaw a while ago and I've heard people (usually older people) ranting out loud about particular ethnic groups here. Most are fortunately too polite.
What annoys me here is that so many posters who don't live in today's Poland rant on about Jews , how bad they are etc etc, yes the odd Rabbi may have been assaulted by the odd random lunatic skinhead, but assaults against minorities are not the norm here, I read more terrible things in the UK press, people die , Muslim guy got killed going to mosque for instance.
All this negative posting by people who don't live here just portrays Poland as some kind of hateful place that it is not, there are countries with bigger issues when it comes to race and religion , France Germany and the USA for a start,
Although there is something to what you say, Poland finds herself in a similar position to Germany, in terms of the need for a massive PR boost effort to improve the country's image abroad!
A great deal of this negative advertising is perhaps justified, although for every Polish anti-Semite, there was that one or two lone wolf Nazi resistance people, such as the kindly farmers who took in Jews during the Occupation years etc....
No tree can be judged solely by its rotten fruit; for every weed, there grows a blossom.
It would be interesting if you did a list list of people who rant on about Jews on this forum who actually reside in Poland, then also do a list of those ranters who reside outside of Poland.
The result would be interesting.
"A great deal of this negative advertising"
Yeah a great deal of it happens here.
No tree can be judged solely by its rotten fruit; for every weed, there grows a blossom.
Michael Schudrich. Because of who he is, the police really went to town and for once the street cameras were actually able to trace the assailant who was locked up.
Yep old gits who live in the past.
I remember one older guy just standing there and shouting at a group of lady tourists in pl. Grzybowska.
Poland as some kind of hateful place that it is not
Yes, despite the sentiments that people express, on the whole Poles are quite reserved and polite with strangers.
One needn't have "resided" in Nazi Germany to know that it was hell on earth for Jews as well as gentiles of conscience, dolno!!
Just because "Lucky" Lindy reported in glowing terms how marvelous Hitler had gotten the country moving again, because the Red Cross sent back reports that anti-Jewish propaganda was greatly exaggerated etc... did that make any of it true??!
Often, internal reports can be faked, doctored or altered and the foreign press gets the real scoop:-)
Ha- I think there is one thing that Jewish and Polish have in common- we like to feel as a 'victims' of the world :-)
Talking about Polaphobes... I vaguely remember was it few months ago...some Rabbi in New York organising some hateful march in front of Polish embassy....
the Chief Rabbi was beaten up in the street in Warsaw a while ago
The Chief Rabbi of Warsaw, Schudrich
According to Gazeta Wyborcza, the incident happened in 2006 (can it be called 'a while ago' then?). Karol G. on seeing the rabbi with a group of friends walking in the centre of Warsaw started shouting 'Polska dla Polaków' towards them. The rabbi asked him 'Why do you think so?'. In response, Karol G. pushed him in the chest. Then some struggle followed and finally Karol G. sprayed pepper gas in the rabbi's face and ran away.
On the very next day Chief Rabbi Schudrich was received by the President of Poland, Lech Kaczyński of the PiS party (a party much hated by the libtards of the PF).
Were the busloads of Jewish visitors on an escorted or private excursion, then I believe you.
You have a very specific vision of the Jewish in Poland. Look I understand that war and all colored it that way but if you look at the Jewish community in Poland in the 30'. They're not worse off that Jewish in the USA at the time and much better than in few other countries west of Poland. They have full citizenship and rights. they have been protected by the law. They have had their own organizations, parties and all and sundry, could cultivate their culture and religion without any state imposed barriers, could have study on Polish universities, a privilege granted to them in the early 60' in the USA.
Whatever happened during the war has nothing to do with general attitude of the Polish people. Cut the crap!
Jews returning to their parents' villages during the late '80's, early '90's,
what they were looking for? Heartily welcome? People ought to be suspicious by then and after 40 years of soviet occupation nobody would have time for some spoiled westerners coming from the differed world.
Most people would have seen a Jew only on TV.
I would say that people in the early 90' were interested in the past and in the past shared with Jews to. However Defamation league and all those various attack mainly from the American Jews on Poles and their history changed that warm, welcoming and open attitude into - WTF? What are they going say about Poles again? If you hate us so much - F!OFF!
Sounds to me as though you're simply both rationalizing as well as justifying the latent anti-Semitism among your fellow countrymen, Ironside
Sound to me that you have no facts and no case. Instead of learning about reality you prefer your own comfortable prejudices. I have asked you in the past to stop implying things and talk about facts. If pressed you're mumbling something about Jedwabne or anti-Semitism.
Do you think that anybody give a crap anymore? You have been overusing this word swigging your accusations left, right and center and it is not working anymore.
After all you're all white middle class racists that oppress a poor exploited black people. That is getting all, either you have some thing to support your opinion or that is your opinion. Opinions are like a-holes everybody has one.
What there is such a hate towards Poles from a large chunk of Jewish community in the USA? eh? Why all those lies and BS? Anti-Polish much?
and then promptly switched channels, no doubt:-)
Sure, as soon as they heard accusation, demands and BS.
Hatred of Poles among large numbers of Jews, both Polish and foreign is easily, if tragically, equatable with the even more deep seated hatred of Germans as well of Germany by many not even directly affected by the Holocaust:-)
Surely even you yourself would admit to there being an understandable reason why a country, which like Germany or Lithuania as well, served as a killing ground for so many of one's own people, would continue to evoke emnity, yes, even hatred for several generations at least!!
There's still NO "statute of limitations" on guilt....and/or of forgiveness.
Sound to me like you are rationalizing as well as justifying a latent anti-Polish prejudices, hate amongst your brethren.
Surely even you yourself would admit to there being an understandable reason why a country, which like Germany or Lithuania
No, I don't understand. Poland is and was nothing like Germany or Lithuanian and that is the crux of the matter, your know nothing but your grandma tales. What more you refuse to learn.
Majority of so called Jews in Poland nowadays are soviets, commies and such or their progeny. I'm pretty certain that those few Jews left in Poland who have no ties to Soviet oppressive regime doesn't hate Poland or Poles.
Then clearly you don't understand much, my friend! Let's put your name next to the rest of the Polish "Lumpenproletariat" who'd start the pogroms all over again if it meant a few more złoty in their pockets or bread on the table.
You give Poles a bad name. Luckily, I and other enlightened European Jews can manage to look beyond such prejudice and content ourselves with the illusion that it's only a handfull, a minority of wrong-thinking people in Poland or elsewhere who really blame the victim entirely for what happened instead of perhaps looking for the root causes of modern anti-Semitism aka THE CHURCH!!!
No, you failed to make your point. It is not my fault that you have nothing to say apart from a sly underhanded remarks that make no sense. Perhaps make perfect sense but only to you and your friends - prejudices.
Let's put your name next to the rest of the Polish "Lumpenproletariat,who'd start the pogroms all over again if it meant a few more złoty in their pockets or bread on the table.
If we're at this low point, from now on I'm going to call you my little Jewish schmuck who would do anything for money including extortion. Still you have no argument and no facts.
You give Poles a bad name.
You're talking crap and you still have no facts or arguments to support your particular racist view on Poland and Poles. I think that lies and sander about Poles gives them bad name not actually anything they have done.
a minority of wrong-thinking people in Poland or elsewhere who really blame the victim
You're really dumb aren't you? I'm not blaming victims. It is who is doing just that by putting Poles who were as much victims as Jews in this war in the same category as those responsible for all that vile afoul stuff that had happened.
the root causes of modern anti-Semitism aka THE CHURCH!!!
Are you one of these commies that throws ham inside Synagogues out of spite? You seems the type - opinionated, ignorant.
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