Bribery and corruption 'fact of life' in Poland?

Whoever publicly insults a nation or Republic of Poland , faces imprisonment up to 3 years. Got it !
USA or British criminal can be indicted by Polish prosecutor and be brought to Poland and stand trial before Polish court .
The Polish penal law shall apply to a foreigner who committed an offense abroad, directed against the interests of the Polish, Polish citizen Polish Polish legal person or an organizational unit without legal personality and to a foreigner who committed abroad a terrorist offense. The Polish penal law shall be applied when committed by a foreigner abroad an offense other than that referred to in § 1, if the offense is in the Polish penal law punishable by more than two years' imprisonment and the offender is present on Polish territory and decided not to extradite him.

When I was writing about a trial in my previous post against E&Y I was thinking about an abstract situation by using citation marks " major trial " .

Who determines what constitutes an "insult"? That whole concept is nonsense and dangerous.


For what? Insulting Poland or a Pole? Good luck with that.

No one is interested in discussing the topic. Its an important topic, we have been reassured that there are indisputable facts but no evidence has been presented.

The perception of immigrants is that Poland is corrupt from top to bottom but again no evidence has been presented. I remember the same nonsense being spoken about almost every European country I have lived in by the expat crowd.

What is the truth and how do you measure degrees of corruption?

Some stuff is public knowledge - for instance, the amount of political appointees. It's no different to the UK, except in Poland, there seems to be much more politics involved with appointing (for instance) theatre directors and even kindergarten directors whereas the UK tends to appoint them to quangos. I'd say that virtually every city and town has a story to tell in this respect.

Well, other than the results of the E&Y report.

The same thing just a different process.


That is not indisputable facts

No 'facts' are ever truly indisputable. A report from Ernst and Young is however reliable.

I was replying to something that Harry said, he insisted there were indisputable facts and I asked about them.

Extremely reliable and backed up by sound data is probably a safer word than indisputable.

Same way they forbade professors to be employed in more than 2 universities/colleges. So they work in other as a company.


I don't know answer to your questions.

Oh dear, why do you insist on lying about what I say Barney? Please either quote where I say that the E&Y report contains indisputable facts or withdraw your latest lie about me.

There is a problem with corruption, how to measure it and then how to rank countries accordingly however the world loves a list and that's why these reports are produced but they mean nothing.

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Harry can you not go a day without starting a pointless fight over nonsense.
Do you really want to drag out a you said he said pointless exchange?

What happened was..........
Instead of discussing the topic you attacked Monia saying there were "indisputable facts" I asked about them you said the E&Y report I said that was not an indisputable fact.

Now in some kind of mental madness you as usual want to start an utterly pointless row over something that didn't happen.

Would you care to quote me saying that?


If you'd be so kind as to not lie about me by reporting things that as you yourself admit didn't happen, I wouldn't need to bring it up.

Of course, there are indisputable facts, i.e. the facts that bribery and corruption both exist in Poland. Both exist in every country on the planet.

Whether a descriptive term such as 'fact of life' can ever be indisputably applied is far harder to assess but the experience of people who have actually lived in Poland (e.g. not Barney) and can take a rational view with regard to Poland (e.g. not somebody I'd better not name) very much suggests that bribery is very much a fact of life in Poland, as was also reflected in the E&Y report and other reports.

So you do want to argue about something that you created in your own mind, both of you bang away Harry.

Guys please- maybe we will go back to topic?

As to my personal expirience- I never tried bribing anyone. And never heard of anyone that gave any money to anyone. The only briebery I came across were old ppl giving their doctor 10-50 zl with every visist. Not to get something- just because they think that's necessary.

Merged: Major corruption case in Poland.

CBA called this case "the biggest corruption case in Poland's history," and has already announced that further arrests will be made in connection to the case.

wbj.pl/article-64380-twenty-suspects-arrested-in-major-corruption-case.html

The case involves corruption in IT tender processes
Poland is on the verge of losing millions of euros in EU funding for IT projects after an official was charged with corruption.
thenews.pl/9/7/Artykul/96752,Poland-to-lose-EU-subsidies-for-IT-after-corruption-scandal

Great government and great ruling party. Any takers?

A Major corruption scandal in Poland involving EU funding, never.

Wow, a corruption case in a young democracy! And we're all shocked - why?

The fact that arrests have been made actually says how far Poland is coming along.

meaning what??? nothing new, young democracy lol???? corruption continues in Poland today, nothing has changed.

if they made arrests something changed for better, I wish U.S. or E.U. made some arrests for LIBOR corruption.

Fellows I just lost a major contract due to corruption (contract in Poland). Been working on this contract for nearly two years. A competitor simply used a connection and possibly paid something under the table and won, no questions asked. And this project is co-financed by EU, which is the more shocking. Anyone here knows the right way of bringing this into the attention of people that can and are willing to do something about it?

Are you in America Polsyr? If you're in Europe and as EU funding is involved you could talk to your local MEP. They might be able to advise? As EU money is on the table you should definitely contact someone there.

@Atch I am in Poland. Tempted to upgrade but nervous as well.

By upgrade do you mean relocate?

I would really just forget it and move on. It's hard enough to get anything done about corruption anyway; but as a foreigner in Poland, you have pretty much no chance at all, a lot of Poles have more than a habit of automatically supporting another Pole when a foreigner says something bad in Poland, even when the other Pole is clearly in the wrong.

By upgrade I mean complain to a higher authority. People in the contracting business operate somewhat like a mafia and ticking off the wrong people can be potentially dangerous. Yes, in this day and age in Europe...

I doubt it would be actually be dangerous in terms of your safety, but it would almost certainly be utterly futile and would be potentially very harmful to the long-term health of your business.

@Harry exactly what I am worried about. I will lose a lot of potential business and I will face a lot of problems getting certain things done.

Yep.
If you were Polish, you could maybe think about it, as you might get fair treatment; but you aren't, so you won't.

Yes, if you're actually located in Poland and you need to continue to live and do business there then sadly, Harry is right. Certainly in terms of getting any justice you can forget it. Anyone who's lived in Poland knows that it can be a very nice place to live as long as everything is going well for you but when you come up against problems they are not only much harder to resolve but can have devastating consequences. I was never able to come to terms with that and make the adjustment from living in a very democratic country to a post-communist state.