There needs to be an upvote/downvote button on this forum.
Sadly there is plenty of software out there to manipulate this kind of functionality, better for individual posters to write "your a cock your a cock" or. something similar to denote their displeasure, but sadly this does nothing to promote healthy debate, a bit like when a Libtard starts shouting racist, racist when losing an argument.
The current generation of Poles arriving in the states are young and talented, although they universally disavow or disguise their heritage by claiming to be European, not Polish. They know, either before they get here or once they get here, that admitting to being Polish comes at a cost, usually professionally and sometimes socially .
The paradox for Americans is the following: Poles work very hard and have good problem solving skills. The problem lies in reconciling a remarkably hardworking and resourceful (Polish) legacy with a near universal perception, or even worse, experience of dishonestly and hostility. Poles tend to be hostile; perhaps American friendliness is masking insincerity.
I can address this subject 10 different ways, but maybe this is a good start.
I did look it up but I was concerned about the lack of preservatives , I like to rummage through the refrigerator , re-discover a long lost year old kielbasa and still be able to eat it.
I know the Polish accent, but I don't want to come across as impolite or assuming, so I usually ask about the beautiful accent. When I ask them what language, the reply is always European. I smile and suggest European isn't a language, they with a little more effort remark Polish.
I think Polish people suffered so much historical aggression, their response is an unconscious effort to avoid the pain, and perhaps dishonesty is the easiest method to deal with the problem.
dishonesty is the easiest method to deal with the problem.
I must admit I personally have never met anyone who was reluctant to admit that they are Polish, but more recently many Poles in the UK try and hide their accent and origins in fear of racial abuse, which is understandable.
Where have you come across this reluctance to admit Polish nationality?
@Dolnoslack. Sorry, but I can't relate to kielbasa, I'm a vegan for ethical reasons. Obviously the family enjoys it and it goes over well guests or cooking it on the grill.
Massachusetts, and my wife noticed it in the Information Technology department at work. She has repeated mentioned the Poles are excellent at writing software code.
My wife is southeast Asian and her father retired from the UN, so she has plenty of experience traveling and experiencing different cultures/ languages.
She, not me, was the first to identify that Poles do not disclose their origin out of shame and fear of enmity. It took me a while to see it since my proximity to Polish culture and people is too close to be neutral.
I've noticed the same things about Poles masking themselves as Europeans and often wondered about the paradox of hard work and a bad stereotype.
Hard work only gets people so far. There comes a point where cooperation among members of a society is necessary to reach the next level of prosperity and achievement. With poor, ignorant Polish people, success invites hostility and sabotage, and there is no cooperation. People driven to succeed have no choice, but to escape that ghetto mentality and assimilate into more successful cultures. For a young, ambitious Polish person it is a huge risk to associate with other Polish people.
Another reason why the Polonia brand is so weak is the aesthetic of Polish culture abroad. Everything at Polonia events looks so tacky and cheap, and has an old, depressing quality to it.
The bright side is that Poland has changed dramatically over the last twenty years, and people's image of the Polish is more and more formed by Poles living in Poland and not the poor, ignorant dregs.
I disagree; to me traditional Polish culture doesn't convey depression or cheapness-- it displays lightheartedness and the language is exquisite and elegant.
Maybe Polish aggression in social circles is from centuries of fighting for physical survival. Except, the modern fight looks different from the past. Poles need to fight for cooperation, dialogue, reasoned discourse, enlightenment. The contemporary aggression common among many Poles subverts their attempts to climb socially, economically, and politically.
I wouldn't scapegoat the poor as dregs, either here or in Poland. Everyone is seeking survival, and to protect their own interests. The poor usually make the worst choices because they have little recourse to do otherwise.
Poles have remarkable strengths; those strengths are often, although not always, eclipsed by socially unacceptable behavior that entails dishonesty.
You're referring here to the Black Market, no doubt. Throughout Eastern aka formerly Communist Europe, (much like present-day Italy) without bribery, "recommendations", all translating as "pull", the honest, amiable, decent, law-abiding, but unconnected, chap was dead meat, a lamb among wolves who were often ready, willing, and able to cut the other chap's throat while trying not to get blood on his own necktie!
Actually, this sounds like the post-Reaganist era right here in the US:-)
You are correct, and situation in the US is progressively getting worse. My family has a diversified portfolio of assets with no debt, so we are in a better position than most.
Poland appears to be improving on many fronts. If honest Poles could lean on the dishonest Poles (in a peer review kind of way) to prohibit this ongoing ugly cloud plaguing Poland, the world will quickly change their opinion of Poles of whom I'm one.
There may be some social/political disagreement between Pole and non Pole, but one thing is universally agreed upon: the Pole is a very hard worker, which is a virtue and highly desirable quality.
Hard work engenders trustworthiness, and there is nothing a society wants more that trustworthiness. It's a quality heavily sought after by employers and communities alike.
So what is the problem with the Polish "brand" and can we discuss this issue without attacking each other, which itself suggests a problem?
The Polish brand may more folkish than modern, but it is not exactly a problem, more of a sensibility. Poles appear eager to non Poles to argue and sometimes resolve differences through physical fighting; perhaps appropriate in Poland but prohibited in the US, for instance.
Poles in the US have received a large degree of success independently of social cooperation and social engagement. Their presence commercially (in the US) is very limited. (Easily verified thru chamber of commerce website membership.)
I was frequently told as a child by my teachers that Poles generally amount to nothing in life. They're welcome to their opinion but, by their own yardstick of success, I have more financial assets than they do. What does that prove: 1. There is a prevailing stereotype and 2. Poles are much more than their ugly stereotype.
Clearly, at least to me, Poles have a brand issue outside Poland. This forum demonstrates part of problem but Polish reaction to non Poles.
Does anybody want to have a thoughtful discussion on this issue? I'm not interested in calling you ignorant or poor adjectives even if you're interested in calling that and more.
Bully for you all! Only how about those out there who haven't??! This is why Trump is so dangerous and the late Ronald Reagan so pernicious; if things had been running smoothly with the advent of social security for decades, the retirees were getting their pensions as they should, some were stock market people, others not, but EVERYONE who paid into the system by dint of hard work etc. would in the end get their fair share of the pie!!
Well, if money's worth so little to the 99% and saving, the ideal way for prepare for old age, is no longer possible due to the rise of stagflation, social security is the ONLY alternative for those either retired, or forcible retired by a new-age system which favors the young and clueless, the socially empowered minority or the foreign investor, often through ill-gotten gains???!
Just bare in mind the word "gentrification" of a neighborhood means high-class incomes, low-class people aka the parvenu nouveau rich compared the preferable, cultured old money of yore:-))
Shut up trash. You are a povo peasant for sure. You are the thief for sure. LIve in a ccountry with 17 times murder rate, 20 times everything else rate and want to start preaching? Lol pathetic. Go back to your ghetto and you asian wife loser you are not good enough for white people. Get a job while you are at it there is plenty of cleaning to do. Scum bag filth.
Racial hate is nothing to brag about and nobody is even paying attention to Poles in the West, there have much better problems to worry about so your statement is very wrong.
Do you think it is the people from Poland? Like the way they constantly point fingers at everyone including how their female population is just as racist if not more so than male? How they always talk **** about jews, ukrainians and everyone around them except Umerica and themselves?
It is funny because at this bar this one cougar woman told them even these young hos whow ere talking **** that they treat them or Polish the same abroad as well whatever they talk. Im gonna do that every time I hear this **** to them. What do you guys think? If it worked for the older woman from abroad why wouldn't it work for me to just confront their Pollack bullshit every time I hear it.
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