Polish patriotism, what does it mean to you?

Seems people have different ways of being patriotic.

Maybe start with what does it mean for you?

Religious faith, honesty, national pride, courage, equality and freedom.

So a person who's non-believer can't be patriotic? LOL

Not a true szlachta!

Do you claim to be Polish patriot or American patriot?

It's okay - neither are you.

In spirit no, in blood yes ;)

I don't want to upset you... but you're nothing special. Most Poles have szlacheckie pochodzenie. Nothing to be snotty about

Actually not more than 8-10% of population. Hardly the "most".

I don't believe you. I also have some vague szlacheckie pochodzenie (zubożała szlachta) and additionally from 2 different lines. I don't think it can be anything special.

Haha.

Right. Were they among the ones who sold Poland to Russia because they didn't want the peasants obtaining any rights?

Perhaps only 10-12% of Poland's population at a given time were registered blue-bloods with a coat of arms and all, but in genetic terms... Well, suffice it to say that Pan Hrabia was occasionally known to sow some oats amongst the chambermaids and kitchen helpers of peasant stock...so many more may have noble genes than one might imagine.

Only is wrog word here. Compering to other countries in PL was far more nobles.

This is true. Of all the countries in Europe it was Poland and Hungary that had the highest percentages of nobility in their populations.

Who said im snotty?


about 70% of the poles who got some blue blood comes from the petty "Drobna" nobility. And then we got the middle and upper nobility.


Some of them yes, but with all the blood mixing throughout the centuries its impossbile to not have some bad eggs in the family.


Indeed but those were the "gołota" naked nobility with no rights hold any public offices or be members of the Sejm. First after 3 generations they had equal rights to the offices and the Sejm.

Speaking of the equal rights "Szlachcic na zagrodzie równy wojewodzie", meaning that regardless of the title, the amount of land owned or the office held by any member of the nobility each one had equal rights to that of the highest order of the nobility and even wojewoda could not interfere in private affairs or the way he govern his own land. Neither could he harm him, confiscate lands etc. Those were the rights granted in Przywilej Czerwiński and Jedlneńsko-Krakowski established in early 1400's. The title meant nothing even the King could not touch the poorest of the nobility without the proper and lengthily proceedings in courts, if you had a grievance you still had to go through courts and all of it a little bit over two centuries ahead of similar law that was passed in Britain in the form of Habeas Corpus.

I'm English, patriotism for me means to trying to preserve the best of British culture.

Judging from the way you butcher English language often - you are not going to get an outstanding citizen of the year prize anytime soon.

you are "NOT" doing a good WB.

Pie, fish & chips, hooly babies? ;)


Mc Donald's principe? ;)


Isnt't that standard? ;)

And neither will you, looking at your sentence ... .

Living in America, you said? For how long?

People in glass houses should ............ (fill in the blanks) :D.

I'm not applying for one, being Polish and all ...

Integrity and English tenacity i would say, as for food the usual.

I'm not a big fan of patriotism anyway.

I cant really think of any good reasons to be patriotic which are exclusive to GB.


says who nasty?

I pay taxes, that is patriotic enough for me.

Being a true Pole is about loving Poland, standing up for it, to remember the various sacrifices for Poland by people before us ... to try and make the country a better place to live. To help those in need, to guide the youth, to welcome friends, to try and not make enemies.

Sounds epic and nice and is maybe applicable also to other countries/patriots... ;)

Why not :)

If I were to judge from talking to people from Poland over the years, it's means not taking criticism of any type well.

Maybe it instead means to clarify on false criticism? To be able to reply on allegations? To tell you the truth ... the real picture. To bring forward another perspective ... in a warm and friendly manner ofcourse.