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Drugs in Warsaw


jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #61
seem to be extolling the virtues of drug abuse.

Really? Where?

the supply of weed in the Czech Republic in particular is so decentralised that it's impossible for organised crime to get a hold of the supply there.

It's working well there. No incentive for criminals to get involved.
johnny reb 28 | 5,248
7 Aug 2017 #62
I was talking morals which you seem to be lacking.

So it's not just my opinion that jon has morals of an alley cat.
You will never convince Mr. Know It All of that I am afraid.

" he proved two things one he has a moral compass two he is a man.

And then you have these two losers that use cocaine as an unwanted attention tool like Satan would.
If either of them even came near my kids they would walk with a limp the rest of their lives................ if they lived.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #63
use cocaine as an unwanted attention

A highly illegal substance in Poland.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
7 Aug 2017 #64
Really? Where?

I'm wondering the same. Clearly a class or six on reading comprehension is required.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #65
Clearly a class or six on reading comprehension is required.

Did you ever get past Janet and John book six
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #66
The majority of Poles agree that drugs should remain illegal, no number of foreigners on the odd forum are ever going to change that any time soon.
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #67
remain illega

Pesky remoaners.

The OP wasn't asking about opinion polls on legislation.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #68
The OP wasn't asking about opinion polls on legislation.

No the OP stated

"You guys are right - staying clean is the best. Thanks"

You should respect his decision which is the correct one.
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #69
the correct one.

There you go again. Thousands may read this thread in coming years - and benefit from information, not moralising about your views on drugs.

In Poland, it's now possible to get most things online anyway.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #70
In Poland, it's now possible to get most things online anyway.

That doesnt make it legal.

Thousands may read this thread in coming years

Maybe in your narcissistic,egotistical mind but in reality no one will be interested in the $hite u write.
DominicB - | 2,709
7 Aug 2017 #71
Yep, from what I gather, the supply of weed in the Czech Republic in particular is so decentralised that it's impossible for organised crime to get a hold of the supply there.

Quite the contrary. Marijuana production and trafficking in the Czech Republic is very centralized and strongly dominated by Vietnamese criminal organizations, as it is in Poland. And they also dominate the supply market for "harder stuff" as well.
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #72
trafficking

Logistics and distribution.

As for retail, most people there don't buy from Vietnamese people - in fact it's convenient, cheap and civilised.

As it should be in Poland.
DominicB - | 2,709
7 Aug 2017 #73
@jon357

Production, import, export and sales at all levels, even at the street level. And, if anything, they are consolidating their stranglehold. Contrary to what you might think, "homegrown" makes up only a tiny portion of the total. It's just not economical when compared to the large Vietnamese grow operations.

If you can read Czech: zpravy.idnes.cz/vietnamci-zacinaji-ovladat-trh-s-drogami-ffk-/krimi.aspx?c=A120517_150802_krimi_klm
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #74
Production, import, export and sales at all levels

So farming, logistics and retail.

their stranglehold

Their market position.

"homegrown"

Easy for Vietnamese farmers to produce so closer to the market, as they do in the UK

It seems a better system in Czech than in Poland.
DominicB - | 2,709
7 Aug 2017 #75
Oh, and marijuana is not legal in the Czech republic. Possession of "small amounts" for personal use is decriminalized (not legalized). Production, transport and sale are all illegal.

The Czech system still has many problems. If you're looking for a successful model, that would be Portugal.
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #76
decriminalized

Yes, decriminalised, which does give the police some options if someone is taking the proverbial.

If you're looking for a successful model, that would be Portugal.

Agreed. Uruguay is often talked about, however it's available via restricted channels to citizens with their ID card - this puts some people off buying it officially, and they (according to a close friend who moved there from Poland) just buy it from the people sat outside the dispensary with carrier bags full of cheaper and better stuff.

In the UK it's chaotic, everything depends on the policy of the individual police force - for example, in some places, growing fewer than 10 plants is tolerated, elsewhere even possession can lead to an arrest.

In Poland, the current state of prohibition just provides an opportunity for organised criminals, and of course it happens anyway, as it always does.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #77
dominated by Vietnamese criminal organizations, as it is in Poland.

A problem spawned from migration ?
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #78
migration

People have been importing/growing/selling/buying intoxicants since civilisation began.

Including in Poland.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,539
7 Aug 2017 #79
Yeah but dominic stated that vietnamese migrants doninate the market today, you can;t fix historic problems but you can adress those of today.
DominicB - | 2,709
7 Aug 2017 #80
@dolnoslask

Not quite. The Vietnamese community is rather long established in Poland and the Czech Republic. Polish and Czech born Vietnamese took over operations from Balkan gangs around the turn of the millennium, and the market is probably dominated by third or fourth generation Vietnamese by now. Recent migrants are at the bottom of the food chain.
jon357 66 | 16,960
7 Aug 2017 #81
but you can adress those of today.

As Portugal has.
PolishUltras 7 | 60
7 Aug 2017 #82
"Yes, there is and it is. That's why the Poles I know would rather help somebody who has a problem than simply cause more problems for them by reporting them to the police and having them sent to prison. If we wanted to we could have the addicts in this neighbourhood arrested pretty much every single day in summer, as they spend most of the summer sitting on benches in a daze, but nobody ever calls the police. Ambulances yes, from time to time; police or Straz, never. Perhaps your views of what Poles do and do not do differ somewhat from actual practice."

Exactly, we Polish are unlike Americans (esp the white people there and esp west coast or those states like ca newr Mesican border) in that we hate cops, call them dogs, dont snitch or sell brother/countryman for money so we can sue them or destroy lives for our own benefit. we dont call cops because someone parks newr our street like they do in santa crews, or start bar fights then call cops and lie with other trash after getting hit with a beer bootle back after punching first like they did to me in santa crews, nor do we respect or are afraid of black or mesican gang bangers and instead pray on our own race like the white people in california jails and prisons do. basically we are unlike any other americans and our culture is so different from that soodom and gomorrah land that russians are a million times better and closer to our mentality. american is just the most coward place on eweth. over there for any little thing they call cops as quick and possible because they support whoever calls first and they all automatically lie to, its ingrained since childhood there.
nothanks - | 640
7 Aug 2017 #83
^ Hahah

USA is multicultural. You call the police and allow them to sort it out. Cultural/language differences can enflame a normal situation. And it isn't just gang bangers. There are plenty of examples of military vets with mental issues losing their sh*t and snapping. In America you probably don't socialize with your neighbor so you don't know if they have a weapon/how much.

I respect Easteners ability and desire to self-police I.E. speaking out if someone is being outrageous or disrespectful in public but I also don't want some mafia gang BS like exists in Russia.
PolishUltras 7 | 60
8 Aug 2017 #84
The problem is, and with that mentlaity, is they dont sort it out. they dont even do an investigation. all they do is either go by who called first and has a better lie with no investigstion whatsoever, or simply compare records. if you have a record in usa esp if toure on parole or probation you are automatically guilty even if the other fuker attacked you first. those fat uneducated fukers dont sort anything out just make their job easier and pick sides. but again you americans are like that, your entirely selfish, self deluted, believe in your media and cops, and have a deep fear or minorities hence why stuff like three strikes and death penalty exists there. you cant handle blacks or mesicans in a straight up fight or ustawka so you constantly rely on cops and give them more power hence the recent shootings and killings by cops and such.

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/innocence-is-irrelevant/534171/

Maybe your esperience is diff than mine, let me fuess you are the run of the mill white, middle class with economic standing guy born in u.s. and probably delt with cops from your own community you lived years in? but if you were non white, slavic, or an immigrant or anyone with redord trust me, even if someone stabbed you, you would never call cops but would run the opposite way if you saw them or someone else called. they gave me four yrs for a fight with a fupsy where he lunged at me first just because they claimed i confromted him or went up to him first. you call that fair or justice? he was on the run for a warrwnt for assault himself, his fst gypsy pregnant wife called.
nothanks - | 640
8 Aug 2017 #85
^

There is truth in your post. I have been on both sides of the aisle because I have been arrested and thus then on probation. But I have also been victimized and in need of police. I probably have benefited to some degree because of my skin color but to your post at some point a dirty record will overshadow your physical characteristics.

I doubt you were completely innocent in that situation. Maybe you were being aggressive during questioning.

Most of us have jobs on Monday, so rounding up the Polish gang to get payback over the nothing to lose black/mexican is not a wise move. I had my crazy fun as a teenager and young adult but now I'm tired of the jail cell, court fines and overall stress. I guess that makes me domesticated. But people in Poland are also not dying in these situations. Even the recent attack of a black legia fan didn't result in death. In the USA it does. I also think court punishment in Poland is more severe. This might discourage people from getting law enforcement involved. And lastly USA has a weird obsession with suing. You take a photo, gather information and call the Police. In Poland people just consider events as bad luck.
PolishUltras 7 | 60
8 Aug 2017 #86
in cracow they have a holy war with people every day dying and street battles taking place with machetes:
bleacherreport.com/articles/60684-wisla-krakow-vs-mks-cracovia-the-holy-war

krakowpost.com/147/2007/07/in-krakow-the-football-holy-war-between-cracovia-and-wisla-still-rages-on-after-101-years

here is footage from knife attacks and war battles with machetes whole documentary was made about it: m.cda.pl/video/5649980

here is a cop/dog describing this situation in cracow and how serious this war is all over the city and nation:
youtube.com/watch?v=UzMG9D1RogQ

you really think these guys would let some mexican or black cowards dome in and punk them like white americans do without fighing nail for nail and not relying on cops?

Święta Wojna or holy war shown in action (just a glimpse ff what blacks and mexicans would face hence theyre on rhe best behavior here):

youtu.be/0_5jUBzY-Ww
PolishUltras 7 | 60
8 Aug 2017 #87
some of my recent work documenting ultra images some scanned from web but most i took myself recently:

i.imgur.com/IDvl36N.jpg
i.imgur.com/H3xq5aR_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

ibb.co/m0Xw1a
ibb.co/nfDrHF
ibb.co/bQkiga
ibb.co/bKVunF
ibb.co/cyK4nF
ibb.co/ixtQuv
ibb.co/m0Xw1a
blob: imgur.com/5650082a-a429-4927-b379-48fdb4f6c609
blob: imgur.com/c20e7409-54c3-4089-ac30-89a1b0be27fe

"Legia fuk the police or hwdp":
imgur.com/5f547e23-b464-42bc-809e-5948f088d86a

"acab =all cops are basrards. you cant kill us all":
i.imgur.com/Q2meSn4.jpg

pic of me recently in warsaw just when i got off the plane from deportation:
prison:
i.imgur.com/Q2meSn4.jpg

also watch this vid of this warrior culture of first to fight poland: ibb.co/nfDrHF

ibb.co/fZqqev
ibb.co/kbnWma

youtu.be/Tm9zdHvJnd0
youtu.be/vtL_hPEUCls

Trust me this is needed to keep our nation strong and not be overran by non white gang bangers like what the u.s. has become or police state copland. - please do NOT post so many links.
Sparks11 - | 335
8 Aug 2017 #88
dude, no one cares about football hooligans except other football hooligans.
Rosey93
12 May 2019 #89
@dolnoslask
You're wrong there
jon357 66 | 16,960
20 Feb 2021 #90
An interesting article about drug use in pre-war Poland. Apparently ether was the drug of choice:
"The scale of consumption is revealed also by police data on smuggling. In 1934, Polish border guards confiscated 757 kg of ether. The following year the seized contraband came to 1,656 kg, reaching 1,670 kg in 1936"

medpagetoday.com/primarycare/obesity/90142


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