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Bad Polish mothers


fookalf
28 Aug 2013  #1
I have noticed a lot of stories recently (last few years) of polish mothers killing and dumping babies or babies dying natural causes and mothers burying the body in the garden/forest/cave and also an increasing amount of abuse from the mothers beating kids etc. also the baby windows really why not just allow abortion then unwanted kids wont be used to fertilise the lawn or become punchiung bags for drunk mentally disturbed wannkers

I cant post links to the stories
but one was found buried in a garden in olkusz a few days ago
daniel pelka murdered by mother and father after torture and starvation
two in sosnowiec last year and a few others seems to be a growing problem

and also the research showing that polish children are the second least happy children in europe only romanian kids are sadder and thats because they live in a subway tunnel or park etc something needs to be done quick
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,665
28 Aug 2013  #2
Evil people come in all nationalities.
next!
cuckinfunt
28 Aug 2013  #3
evil comes from all nationalities yes but fookalf has a point i yhought it was becoming fashionable to dump dead babies in the woods then pretend they were adbucted etc
polforeigner
28 Aug 2013  #4
Unfortunately mothers (and fathers) killing their kids are of all nationalities. What you say about Polish kids being among the least happy in Europe was shown in several international studies
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,665
28 Aug 2013  #5
actually that Pelka case was v v disturbing - one reason that he did not attract more attention from authorites is that his clothes were clean and ironed - like my polish ex sister in law told me

'at least we are clean' - in other words (you filthy english kurwa who only baths her kids twice a week and never irons their clothes))
Kowalski 7 | 621
28 Aug 2013  #6
children wellbeing in Europe

theguardian.com/society/2009/apr/21/children-poverty-wellbeing-cpag-europe
OP fookalf
28 Aug 2013  #7
Dude thats from 2009 I read the 2012 unicef report on overall wellbeing and poland has dropped dramatically in the last 4 years
Rysavy 10 | 308
28 Aug 2013  #8
Those stories are becoming more common here in the states, too (though I will give us a percentile advantage of our huge size.. still bad and too frequent). Also last 2 years has seen rise in darwinism amongst gun owners giving toddlers free access to their training rifles and somehow being surprised that something bad happened.

Well they knew better? huh..? You can't leave a 5 year old alone in bathtub but you do with a loaded gun? 0_0
What planet did they learn about child rearing? I was taught that you never leave children truly alone for long because they are (my words) untrustworthy little scumbags....

I believe we hear of it more and more because the entitled, spoiled, newer generations are less equipped to handle the daily sacrifices that are demanded in the responsibility of raising a child.

All the fun and spoiling and benefits while pregnant become a JOB when baby arrives (though young babies are actually sooo easy to care for... they do require time. Party days are done)

And the draconian way that child support is set in most countries makes it hard for a female who is 'usually' the one with less earning power, being able to survive paying support out. Heck they squeeze the guys who are trying hard and still reward the deadbeats with good money...and good lawyers( also in the worse case...the child support they count on for themselves as income they deserve and not even think of its true purpose) . It makes these nutbag girls less willing to just give the child up to the father's family. Specially since even today there is stigma for being the mom that gave up the kids.. where it is almost expected of the males.

But I don't think it is necessarily limited to POLISH mothers at all
Kowalski 7 | 621
28 Aug 2013  #9
Dude thats from 2009 I read the 2012 unicef report

how about 2013: unicef-irc.org/Report-Card-11/
OP fookalf
28 Aug 2013  #10
I'm from The netherlands so my brothers kids are much happier than mine mind you pooland is pretty depressing
Kowalski 7 | 621
28 Aug 2013  #11
has this data dropped in Netherlands or is similar to Poland?

vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2421024.ece/Obesity_on_ the_rise_among_Dutch_children
OP fookalf
28 Aug 2013  #12
There are a lot of little lard buckets now yeah same everywhere when fastfood becomes cheaper than home cooking then the problem starts it will happen in poland if enough children live to need solid food
Kowalski 7 | 621
28 Aug 2013  #13
now I'm concerned, too
kaz200972 2 | 229
28 Aug 2013  #14
actually that Pelka case was v v disturbing - one reason that he did not attract more attention from authorities is that his clothes were clean and ironed

Quite a difficult case because none of the authorities seemed to want to be involved. The teacher who first raised the problem should have contacted her union as well, they could have advised her on how to get the social services and senior management of the school to do something to help.

There are a lot of little lard buckets now yeah same everywhere when fastfood becomes cheaper than home cooking then the problem starts it will happen in poland if enough children live to need solid food

A problem that needs rectifying everywhere these days, we need proper home economics lessons in schools!!! and to limit fast food outlets severely, stick a load of tax on them and make it cheaper to eat healthy food!
Orphan 1 | 6
28 Aug 2013  #15
My (Polish!) mother gave me up for adoption. As a little girl I couldn't understand it and I sometimes talked about her like she was evil. I also acted like I didn't care. Since I'm 15 years old the vision changed and all of it began to matter. At age of 17 they gave me a letter she left when she left me.

I can't compare adoption with killing your child ofcourse but trust me,
it's not about the Polish-ness.
Ant63 11 | 403
28 Aug 2013  #16
The teacher who first raised the problem should have contacted her union as well

I suggest you read the detail. Social services were contacted and the parents did everything in their powers to avoid them.

My (Polish!) mother gave me up for adoption.

Try and look at it positively. Do what you need to do and live YOUR life.

Unfortunately mothers (and fathers) killing their kids are of all nationalities.

Its true but Poland has inherent problems with its laws that the government seem to be doing little or nothing about. For example you can sell children in Poland. Poland is considered a Tier 1 people trafficking country by the US. Sales of children are only partially documented. The figures are all out there for people to see.

Where the babes lost in the woods or were they sold??
kaz200972 2 | 229
28 Aug 2013  #17
I have read quite comprehensively about the case because of the type of work I do. Obviously the death of the child id down to the Mother and her partner however the head master of the school should have been onto the police and social service every day until the child was properly assessed or removed.

I appreciate the class teacher was young and inexperienced and may have been scared to kick up a fuss, hence the union may have been able to help.

There were chances missed!
dukeraoul
28 Aug 2013  #18
just spoke to the wife about the baby selling and yes it happens she knows a girl who bought a baby as her plumbing was messed up paid 10000pln 5 years ago

and its considered pretty normal also she knew a guy who sold a kidney a few years back as well

what a lovely country i've ended up in
ukangel 8 | 56
29 Aug 2013  #19
Is there a link where I can read the research or view those stories...quite interesting !!!!
kaz200972 2 | 229
29 Aug 2013  #20
There are links posted for general welfare of children which are quite informative
If you are looking for the child abuse case google in 'Daniel Pelka' and it gives information on the case be warned though it is very upsetting.
Ant63 11 | 403
29 Aug 2013  #21
s there a link where I can read the research or view those stories...quite interesting !!!!

Google Poland people trafficking
Google Poland children for sale
Google Poland Domestic violence

Do remember most posters on here are never touched personally by the grim realities so refuse to accept facts.
Lenka 3 | 1,372
29 Aug 2013  #22
Well, I live here for 27 years and although some bad things do happen I wouldn't say it's as bad as you describe. As to google search- type anything and you will get many results- not necessarily accurate or true.
SuperHans
29 Aug 2013  #23
Do remember most posters on here are never touched personally by the grim realities so refuse to accept facts.

Very true

Well, I live here for 27 years and although some bad things do happen I wouldn't say it's as bad as you describe. As to google search- type anything and you will get many results- not necesairly accurate or true.

Thats right hide your head in the sand it happens in every city of poland if you lived during world war 2 you would be denying the holocaust as well
Lenka 3 | 1,372
29 Aug 2013  #24
Wow, I thank you very much- I did need that laugh.

I do know bad things happen but somehow I managed to live in Poland for 27 years without being trafficed, raped, drugged or anything like that. My friends escaped such fate as well. I repeat- Poland is not some haven without any bad things happening here but it's not hell either.
WinstonIngram
29 Aug 2013  #25
I lived in brixton for 30 years and never got shot doesnt mean there is no gun crime
pam
29 Aug 2013  #26
Google Poland people trafficking
Google Poland children for sale
Google Poland Domestic violence

You would get similar results if you substituted Poland for Ukraine, Lithuania, Slovakia, Albania etc.
This doesn't just happen in Poland.

Yes, there are some bad Polish mothers same as in any other country.
Rose West was hardly a candidate for mother of the year, was she?
SuperHans
29 Aug 2013  #27
and thats shows its the mentality of eastern europe sell your kids or your grandmother if you can get a price for it

maybe we can blame the russians for this like will do everything else
kaz200972 2 | 229
29 Aug 2013  #28
This doesn't just happen in Poland.

Very sadly it happens all over the place, possibly the poster just wanted to dispel the myth that all 'Polish,Russian, Chinese, Martian, whatever' mothers are exempt from any wrong doing ever!

Rose West was hardly a candidate for mother of the year, was she?

Her and a few others shamefully
Shoogies
29 Aug 2013  #29
One such case in olkusz few days ago Nursery school teacher gave birth at home baby was alive few days later she was in the hospital with internal bleeding and the baby was under the green house in a aldi freezer bag

she is now in the pysch ward claiming insanity but her facebook profile shows she was happily playing farmville 4 days after burying her kid amazing how people become unstable after they get caught
Ant63 11 | 403
30 Aug 2013  #30
This doesn't just happen in Poland.

You are kidding aren't you!!

It is not specifically mothers. Its parents and criminals.

Note the recorded figure for baby sales was 1772 for 2010 and that was only the recorded ones. The real figure may well have been at least double that.

All that is required is a change in the law but that may upset a certain institution that profits from this.


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