Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? - part 2

I have no issue with people keeping guns at home (only) for self-defense. Carrying weapons in public should only be permitted for those who have completed an advanced self-defense course, as doing so otherwise is too dangerous.

To whom?

In a sane country, statistics DO NOT obliterate individual rights. In Euro-style fascism, you have no rights other than what the ruling mob gave you.

In the US, 99% of crimes with guns are committed by kneegrows and stolen guns. People who have a license to carry DO NOT commit crimes. Zero.

I have a license but I never carry. Even if the state will not charge me criminally, the family of the motherfvcker who never worked a day in his kneegger life will sue me down to my underwear because "we miss him sooooo much".

Yes, I am taking my chances with mostly white people and some Latinos. It worked fine so far....

Would you allow a 75yo woman or an obese man to carry a gun in public? They can be a very easy target for thugs who could take away the gun from them before they figure out what way to hold it properly. Or during a road rage, these guns would be unnecessarily used to kill each other. It's not about rights, but about common sense.


If I knew an elder lady carries a gun in her purse, 9 out of 10 times I would be able to steal it from her while robbing her before she knows what's going on. A 6.3 feet thug could do it twice as fast, even if she's trying to reach for the gun.

So, again, my point is - guns are for people to use for home protection. If you want to use them in public, you must prove that you have enough physical and emotional strength to do so.

Yes, I would. Both the old and the fat have a right to defend themselves. The fact that they can be robbed of their guns is irrelevant.

Declaration of Independence says:

"That all persons are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent, and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety."

No buts, howevers, or other evasive Euro crap...If my right to defend myself means a thug stealing my gun, go get the thug and execute the SOB so he will not steal again.

I want my gun back...

Cops carry theirs. Nobody ever suggested that they shouldn't because of the thugs. It's the thugs why cops CARRY GUNS. I only wish cops would use them more often.

Thugs don't know who is carrying what. On the plus side, those who carry add an element of risk to the thugs. That's why most states have concealed carry laws, not open carry...

The same with guns at home...No gun-hating leftist ever posted a sign on his door: No Guns In This Home. Guaranteed.

In Europe it is sometimes written "beware of angry dog".

Google Killeen massacre and you will see how wrong you are.

Guess why mass killers choose schools but never police stations or courthouses...

Why do you allow a state official (not even a doctor) to examine your eyes to give you a drivers license? Is it okay for a semi-blind person to drive a car in public? After all, being denied a drivers license violates your constitutional rights!

To my disappointment, you are dumber than I first assumed.

Are you an American? If so, tell me that you don't vote.

Now pay attention:

Driving is a privilege. It is not a constitutional right. Duh!

As such, it can be denied if you don't meet certain conditions or do stupid shlt later.

Can an American who is blind or has Down syndrome carry a gun in public?

If your answer is 'yes' then you cannot think for yourself.

No.

For the same reason why the right to vote is denied to 15-year-olds.

Rights come with the responsibility to use them properly.

So why are you arguing with me? If a person is unfit to handle a gun, carrying it in public endangers not only him or her but other people. A blind or mentally ill person can be as dangerous when carrying a gun as a 90yo person who can as likely shoot bystanders or him/herself as an attacker.

Poland will need some level of gun control - in any case. Because you have a country next door, that's full of literally millions of small arms.

Even in America you can't own a fully automatic rifle (in most instances). In Ukraine, you have your pick from the AK-74, the M4 Carbine, the FN SCAR, or FAL - if you are in the market for an assault rifle. It won't set you back more than $700-1000.

Payment is done in cryptocurrency, and then the weapon is dropped off in some inconspicuous bush or inside a drainage pipe - the geolocation of which is shared with you through WhatsApp. Just come with a little suitcase, or some trash bag, so people don't see you walking down the street with an assault rifle.

If you are in the market for something more serious, like a 0.50 cal Barret sniper rifle, or an M60 machine gun - $3,000-5,000.

European law enforcement has already been ringing the alarm bells for years. The borders with Romania and Hungary are especially porous.

Maybe you can't steal a tank, or an armored personnel carrier... but you can definitely steal anything smaller in Ukraine - and no one will ever bother to report it or look for it.

...and that is why the nice people call 911...

15 minutes later, the police will come to count the bodies...In most cases, the local TV will say: A man was shot and killed...

They will not mention his name. It takes too long and nobody gives a fvck...as long as it's not them...That's why I will turn my guns in ... for social good and to keep gun statistics less scary...

A reminder: Hey, stupid Euros, without the First and the Second, you are cattle.

Still playing stupid...

What is "unfit", gun-wise? Overweight?

If you can't carry a gun, you have no right to self-defense. Period.

That's why a federal judge gave the last state without the right to carry - the State of Illinois - an ultimatum to allow it or "we will do it for you, gun-hating morons..."

Now compare this vomit-inducing Polish crap ...

"Działającemu w obronie koniecznej wolno użyć takich środków, które są niezbędne do odparcia zamachu. Użycie, zwłaszcza z umiarem, niebezpiecznego narzędzia nie może być uznane za przekroczenie granic obrony koniecznej, jeżeli odpierający zamach nie rozporządzał wówczas innym, mniej niebezpiecznym, ale równie skutecznym środkiem obrony, a z okoliczności zajścia, a zwłaszcza z przewagi po stronie atakujących i sposobu ich działania, wynika, że zamach ten zagrażał życiu lub zdrowiu napadniętego."

...with the Second Amendment...Quoting:

Never mind stupid Euros. Get a gun and when threatened, blow the motherfvcker's head off.

That's it...

That's a lie, of course.


Poles compare what's happening in the US to what's happening in Poland and they say "NO" to American "gun culture."

You can't say "that's a a lie" if it's your own claim. Only a Polish woman can be that stupid.

It was you and other geniuses who said that you are not allowed to carry guns.

If you are not allowed to carry them, you are not allowed to defend yourself with them.

Crying "help!!!!" is not a defense.

It's your claim, not mine.


I haven't said that. You can carry a gun if you have a proper license for it.


You are allowed to defend yourself with other tools though.


Noone can outdo you in your stupidity - man or woman lol

No matter how often and how much you keep insulting me - you can't change facts. And the facts are that Poland is much safer than the US and majority of Poles don't feel the need to own a gun and they are against more liberal gun laws.

According to a CBOS poll from 2022 70% of Poles are against more liberal gun laws:

300gospodarka.pl/news/polska-dostep-do-broni-2022-cbos

That proves my point...

My right to stay alive is not open to debates and statistics because it's in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.

What point and how on Earth does it prove it? :D 🤦

The point is that you have no concept of what is a right vs a privilege.

We have rights. I have a right to life and effective means to protect it. A gun is it. A kitchen knife is not because the two bums are stronger and faster than you or me.

Without effective means against those two bums you are defenseless. Nothing else matters...not "greater social good" or statistics. Nothing.

Your fake concern about social good and statistics is nothing but a slave justify his enslavement: Yes, I know I am a slave but I am safe because everybody else is a slave, too...

Final point: Privileges are handed down. Rights are forced upon the top. Hence:

In the US: Congress shall make no law...to muzzle the top...

In Europe: You may speak freely except... to muzzle the bottom...

I am done wasting my time explaining a rainbow to the blind.

Good that you are done - so maybe sit in the garden and enjoy the summer.

No.

I will enjoy the realization that you are a moron who wishes the US ill.

America's friends don't post your kind of crap.


Only a stupid Polak would comment on this but leave the rest...

At least 11 people were stabbed during a bloody incident at Walmart in Traverse City, Michigan on Saturday afternoon.

Witnesses say shoppers fled for their lives after a suspect brandished a knife inside the Walmart Supercenter on Crossing Circle just after 5pm.

Two of the victims used lipstick and cars keys to defend themselves but the assailant ignored their attempts and stabbed them anyway.

He admitted later that he wouldn't try to do the same in a nearby gun store. He didn't elaborate why and the reporters didn't ask.

It seems like it was an ordinary day in the USA. 🤔

The funny thing is that Poland was ahead of the US in open carry laws for its citizens.
After all, in the old Poland every cintzien had a saber not for self-defence but because it was a sign of his status, as a free citizen.

Poland should make it mandatory for every adult to own two AR-15s and 10,000 rounds. You know ... Russia...

Poland didn't because Poland knows all that talk about Russian invasion is BS.

Yes - small arms fire is always effective against tanks.

Which reminds me - you haven't answered the question yet !

You are at home with your crappy pistol. Suddenly you hear glass breaking and people speaking Spanish quickly. The Mexican cartel arrived in a helicopter and there are 5 of them with korean sub machine guns they bought in a yard sale. They want the keys to your fake ass Lexus. Which do you shoot first ?

Vietcong didn't have tanks.

Taliban didn't have tanks.

AK didn't have tanks.

You have no brains. I feel like I am armwrestling a 10-year-old girl.

@Novi

Not far from where I live Novi.
One person is out of the hospital, two are in serious condition and the rest are improving.
Now for the best part Nov.......
It was a law abiding citizen who had a legal Concealed & Carry and pulled out his Huckleberry and pointed it at the eye of the guy with the knife and told him to drop the knife and sit on the floor !
And to no surprise that is exactly what the guy with the knife did while the heroic citizen held him there at gun point until the police got there a short time later.
That part has not made the news yet.
Now I ask the gun haters here, how many more people would have got stabbed and cut up if that law abiding citizen hadn't been carrying his weapon ?