Poland's going forward while Britain is still trying to wake up

Are you talking about zł or pounds?

If you are talking about zł then it would be impossible. Let's say 1000zł per month for food and then rent and bills 2000zł (minimum.) That would leave only 1000zł per month for everything else and if you think that is enough you are living in a fantasy world.

Some Poles do it. Many in some places.

na not min, flats also go for 750pln in huta.


Hardly, I've done it myself and many Poles have to also. If you think it's impossible then that is living in a fantasy world.

I think your comment is slightly outdated, this country is getting more and more exspensive all the time. I think to live off this amount of money per month in a major town like Krakow with 2 adults and 2 kids is simply not possible.

Ok then, how does a Policeman and a nurse live from 4k a month, with 3 children?

I still don't know if you are talking about zł or pounds in either of your comments?

Pln of course.

Edit: After taxes I mean ;)

Ok so now I understand you are talking about renting a 1 or maximum 2 room flat (probably horrible.) So you would have 4 people sleeping in the living room/bedroom, maybe people like this should think a bit before having kids.

Edit: I don't mean any offence by this and I'm not trying to be narky I just think that these figures you are throwing around are ridiculous. 750pln for a flat anywhere in Krakow is not going to be suitable for a family of 4 :)

Nope, also 3-4 but a little more expensive, around 1000.


Perfectly normal modern places to be honest. No living and sleeping in the living room ;)


I said that before.

Please post some links for flats like this. I bet if they do exist it will be a minimum of 1200zł plus administration fee of about 300zł plus bills which will bring it up to somewhere around 2000zł per month :)

Probably wouldnt find them on internet. Most people who rent them have got them through "contact" Huta is cheap as hell. Rzeszow on another scale is cheaper yet. Don't ask me where they come from, I'm only giving examples of my ex fiancee's parents and families. Plus my own, I lived right next to Planty in Krk in 3 bedroomed place that cost me only 1400pln for about 2 years.

Anyone who thinks you must earn at least 6k to start a family must wonder how the rest of poland does it. For example a teacher at a primary school in Kolbuszowa earns 1000-1200 per month, her husband get 600 a month stacking shelves in local shop. But they somehow have raised 3 kids and own their own house with land.

what about social housing, tbs, ppl who owns flat/house. They dont pay 2000 zł per month! 2000 zł is only possible in Warsaw if someone rent flat near downtown.

We were talking about renting not people who own and how many couples who earn 4000zł per month qualify for social housing?


Nowadays probably wouldn't find them full stop :)


Personally if you are talking about a two person income I would even say a bit more, I live in Poznań and I can't imagine it is any cheaper than Krakow.


And how long ago did they buy this land and build the house? You can't honestly tell me that now on a combined income of 1800zł per month that they could do this?

I think some people especially on this forum think that the Poles are just second class citizen of the EU and those greedy developers could not care less as long as they make profit. Let them buy their clothes in cheap supermarkets etc and go search for cheap food bla bla bla.what a neck.. Life is really hard for average families in Poland full stop.

As long as we all agree that all Poles are whining kunts who keep on saying Britain sold them down the river? Because their harsh reality of post war is the only war memory and every one else had some big fcuking party with ever lasting over flowing feast of treats!

Almost everyone sustained losses but were able to move on. Poland seems to have cemented WWII deeply into its national psyche.

there losses and LOSSES, Sean !

No more than the Jews, Ironside, though we don't want to go there.

Jews had at last fresh start.......anyway it easy to be wise I wonder how would any-so-proud-and wise- nation-from-the western part- of European peninsula would have looked like after 40 years of soviet reconstruction???/

Its all speculations thought !

I-S ( well)

A fresh start? Many didn't live to see it. Poland has done very well in the last 20 years to rebuild itself. Wałęsa and Balcerowicz were over-ambitious and, in hindsight, unrealistic. However, they can't be blamed for trying. They gave it a good shot! Kwaśniewski took Poland into NATO which was motivated by safety concerns. Sensible at the time! Now? That's a matter of debate but Poles wanted it then so democracy manifested itself. Tusk needs to be careful of leading Poland down wrong paths. No more so than in the banking industry.

Balcerowicz did what was best for Poland in the long term. Populists will argue against it, but the man knew what needed doing, and did it. There will never be anyone with enough political will to pull through logical reforms like that again. Too many people are addicted to handouts...

Can you imagine what would have happened if the worker faction within Solidarity had their way?

I've always maintained that the average moustache-worker within Solidarity didn't particularly want democracy, but only wanted better conditions for themselves and their families. Even nowadays, Solidarity's actions betray them as being very selfish - witness the endless striking and trouble whenever anyone proposes ending their rather cushy conditions. It's not really different to PiS voters as a whole - they talk about democracy and freedom, but on their terms.


And many of those receiving handouts are working on the black market. Does anyone really believe that those people working in guarded parking lots aren't claiming some sort of benefits?

Labour party leader warned that Polish GDP per capita might overtake the British one by 2030.
tvpworld.com/66880502/by-2030-poland-may-exceed-the-uk-in-gdp-per-capita-labour-party-leader

Amasing! :):)

the average annual economic growth of Great Britain amounted to 0.5 percent, while Poland's was 3.6 percent, while the value of GDP per capita in 2021 stood at USD 44,979 in the U.K. and USD 34,915 in Poland respectively. According to the Labour Party, if the growth rate in both countries continues, by 2030 the U.K. will be overtaken by Poland,

Yes, but Keir Starmer is an absolute moron..... So don't hold your breath.....it won't happen in our lifetimes anyway!

He's pretty good compared to the clot we have in office now

And he'll certainly win the next election.

Won`t have happened before 2030 as he suggested coz Poland is losing its impetus - 0.4% rise this year.

But in a life time?? Who knows? if you stop boozing so aggressively each night, you can still live for quite a long time.


The Cycle of Life. Tories replaced by Labour replaced by Tories etc. Lions eat zebras but also die to fertilise the land for more zebras. hahahaha