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WISŁA or VISTULA??


rychlik 41 | 373
12 Aug 2010 #1
Why is it spelled Vistula in English? It's Wisla and not hard to spell or pronounce.
pgtx 30 | 3,156
12 Aug 2010 #2
Vistula

oh yeah...

It's Wisla and not hard to spell or pronounce.

you tell them!!! lol
zetigrek
12 Aug 2010 #3
Why is it spelled Vistula in English? It's Wisla and not hard to spell or pronounce.

because it's from latin?

why in polish we say Londyn instead of London? London isn't hard do pronounce ;)

I think in polish we have far more polish versions of geaografical objects thatn you in english.
Tamiza = Thames
Sekwana = Seine
Dunaj = Danube
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
12 Aug 2010 #4
Why is it spelled Vistula in English? It's Wisla and not hard to spell or pronounce.

It's just the way the English decided to pronounce it.

Praha isn't difficult to pronounce for Poles, so why do Poles call Prague "Praga"? ;) lol
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
12 Aug 2010 #5
It's Wisla

Wrong, it's Wisła! Completely different word!

Anyway, it's just the way it is. Why is Milan (not difficult to say) Mediolan to the Poles? Just is.

Isn't the term "Pekin" still used in Polish too?
andrei - | 25
13 Aug 2010 #6
Praha isn't difficult to pronounce for Poles, so why do Poles call Prague "Praga"? ;) lol

Bad example... "H" in the Czech language is the same sound as the "G" in Polish... So the pronunctation of Prague in both languages is similar if not the same...

EDIT:
Ok nevermind me... They're not the same sound :p ,my bad...
though the "H" in Czech is used similarly in words as the "G" in Polish...
plk123 8 | 4,148
13 Aug 2010 #7
It's Wisla and not hard to spell or pronounce.

no it's not.. Wis£a
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010 #8
though the "H" in Czech is used similarly in words as the "G" in Polish...

So how they read Praha?
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010 #9
why in polish we say Londyn instead of London? London isn't hard do pronounce ;)

Berlin and Chicago stay the same, but Munich and New York change. Is strange :)
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010 #10
Chicago

How is the proper way of pronouncing Chicago? Szikago or Czikago?
convex 20 | 3,978
13 Aug 2010 #11
we say "szikago" down south
andrei - | 25
13 Aug 2010 #12
So how they read Praha?

I think that similar as we with the exception that they read the "H" just as a Ethnic Silesian would spoke our "H". So it's not exactly our "H" but isn't also our "G", I don't think we use such sound in our alphabet.

Anyway... I'm not a linguist and can be wrong on a lot of matters concerning languages. So I corrected myself in my earlier post because I thought that it could be the same sound (as both are close to each other and the Czech use the "H" just as we use "G" in words... Hora - Góra, Praha - Praga, koho/èeho? - kogo/czego? and so on...), but I found out that it's a different sound so I was wrong.
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010 #13
So it's not exactly our "H" but isn't also our "G", I don't think we use such sound in our alphabet.

like "gh"?
andrei - | 25
13 Aug 2010 #14
Yes. Exactly like that.
kondzior 12 | 1,221
13 Aug 2010 #15
As well you can ask why Italy=Włochy, Hungary=Węgry, or my personal favorite Niemcy=Germany=Deutschland...
zetigrek
13 Aug 2010 #16
Niemcy=Germany=Deutschland

=L'Allemagne

Btw. I see that in England there is used sometimes name Anglia in some institution names. Why's that?
NorthMancPolak 4 | 648
13 Aug 2010 #17
Yes. Exactly like that.

No, not like that at all.

To pronounce it "in Polish", it would have to be written Pracha, not Pragha.
mafketis 34 | 12,243
14 Aug 2010 #18
To pronounce it "in Polish", it would have to be written Pracha, not Pragha.

Well in modern Polish, Praha and Pracha would sound the same. But Czech h and ch are very different. The main difference is that h is voiced (llike d, b and g) while ch is unvoiced (like t, p and k).

It's also different from the Ukrainian or Belarussian g (which are like the Greek gamma) or spanish g between vowels.

In summary :

Polish g = voiced velar stop

Ukrainian, Belarussian g = voiced velar fricative (pronounced at the same place in the throat as Polish g but the throat remains open and doesn't close as it does in Polish)

Czech h = voiced glottal (further back in the throat than Polish h or ch) fricative/approximant.
OP rychlik 41 | 373
14 Aug 2010 #19
Ok ok guys. You got me :)
plk123 8 | 4,148
15 Aug 2010 #20
How is the proper way of pronouncing Chicago? Szikago or Czikago?

szykago
skysoulmate 14 | 1,295
15 Aug 2010 #21
How is the proper way of pronouncing Chicago? Szikago or Czikago?

Obaraq for Chicago and Pelosistan for Kaalifornia ;)
Lyzko
21 Aug 2010 #22
Wisła = die Weichsel

Nearly every country nationalizes foreign place names to suit their peculiar pronunciation idiocynracies!
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
21 Aug 2010 #23
The Dutch used to call the Wisla the Wijsel. But nowadays they use either Weichsel, Vistula or Wisla.

I wonder how Poles would pronounce Tietjerkstradeel or Emmercompascuum.

:)

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
zetigrek
21 Aug 2010 #24
Tietjerkstradeel

Tiet-jer-sztra-del?

Emmercompascuum

E-mer-kom-pas-kum?

What's the problem? ;P
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
21 Aug 2010 #26
Tiet-jer-sztra-del?

:) actually you would pronounce it like this: Ticzerkstradeel (long e at the end, like in hey; the last S is just a plain S-sound)

E-mer-kom-pas-kum?

Em mer kom pas küum (with the first U as high U like in German Flüstern and the last U as a short e, like in ehm)

Now try to pronounce it :) Really would like to hear you pronounce that high U :)

Edit: now try the following words: verwennerij, verwijdering and tuinarchitekt.

Edit 2: oh and this one is really nasty for non-Dutch: voortschrijdend and zeilzijde :)

What's wrong with Weichsel?

Nothing as such, except that it's German - there are also some probs with Warschau instead of Warsaw.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens - there's pasta in the kitchen)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,992
21 Aug 2010 #27
Nothing as such, except that it's German - there are also some probs with Warschau instead of Warsaw.

It's easier on the tongue....for me...I think that should count! *pouts*
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
21 Aug 2010 #28
*pouts*

I said: there's PASTA in the kitchen. Go eat your sadness away.

:)

for Zed Ygrek: schuijne nauwlettendheid schroothoop taaltechnische schaamte rakelt hoedanigheid en hoedanigheden neuzelen negentig nieuwe fietsreuzen :)

>^..^<

M-G (try)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,992
21 Aug 2010 #29
I said: there's PASTA in the kitchen. Go eat your sadness away.

*munches pouting*

;)
Lyzko
22 Aug 2010 #30
Mare,

Scheveningenaar schilders schilderen verschillene Scheveningenaar-:)))

Or let the Dutch tongue attempt

Chrąszcz brzmi w trcicinie..... Oooops, miswrote the last word. Paarden me (he-he!!)


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