UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]

Then I hope that Poland never progresses, if the price to be paid is the same as whats happening in the UK.

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]

welshguyinpola

"Beacause I was brought up speaking English and I have the UK to thank for this"

Luck of the draw!!.if you had been born in India you would have learnt to speak Urdu or another dialect as well as English. I love England and I am dissapointed and heartbroken to see the decline of what was once a great country.

Giving people a "British Passport" does not make them English, nor does it give them the right to change the culture and history so that it does not offend their "alien" morals.

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]


I missed your second post yesterday (above) and it brought to mind a couple of letters I have recently received from Her Majesty's (Labour) Government.

The 1st letter was regarding my National Insurance contributions. Apparently, to qualify for a full state pension in 9 years time, I needed to pay 44 years of contributions and to date, I haver only paid for 41 years. They asked if I would like to voluntarily pay for the 3 years (some £900).

The reply I sent went along the lines of :- " I have not lived in the UK for 6 years and have no thoughts of returning. My health has not been too good for the past 3 years and I have had to pay for my medicines and my heart bypass operation myself. If I should live for another 10 years and if there is any money left in the governments coffers to pay a pension, I will make do with the reduced pension that you have offered. If HMG is so desparate for this £900, I suggest that they stop paying £12,000 per month rent for Afghan asylum seekers to live in 5 Bedroom town houses in Central London.

I have not received a reply.

Letter number 2 was even better. I received my 1st English "Tax-self assessment form" since I came to Poland, even though I explained to them in 2004 that I no longer work, live or have any assets in the UK. This promised to fine me £100 if I never returned the form on time. I duely filled in "none" in every box that applied to me and sent it back.

A month later I recieved a reply, informing me, that I owed £0.00 in tax. Accompanying this reply was some litriture especially for people who have moved abroad. It basically said that " If you come into a windfall, inheritance, lottery win etc, please inform us so that the correct tax can be implemented.

Yes!!!, as if!!!. They can go forth and multiply.

Travel / Fish and Chips in Warsaw [53]


Traditional, working class food!!!!....Just don't stand, upwind of the people you love.

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]


Some 15 years ago, I remember talking to a friend who was an ambulance driver. He had just been instructed by his superiors, not to use his siren in the St.Pauls area of Bristol as it might upset the residents of this predominently coloured, part of the city. "They might mistake it for a police siren and it could cause them to riot again."

The writing was on the wall and nobody bothered to read it. I pray that Poland is never that stupid.
This is one of the main reasons I left the UK 7 years ago and there is no way that I would want my new family to live there. It is safer in Poland, even with the Polish drivers.

UK, Ireland / Ive been in the UK for 6 days to relocate and im going back to Poland. [281]

Wroclaw Boy

"After 4 days i was convinced it was a bad idea."

WB, I have known this for years. Last time I went back was in April 2006, I was disgusted with it then. My partner and the kids want to go on holiday there but I keep putting them off. It would be like visiting a very sick friend, you want to remember them as they were, not see them as they as they are now.

Whenever I phone family and friends, they all say the same as you.
many, wish they were younger so that they could leave and start again. I feel so sorry for, those who have retired abroad and cannot now afford to stay in their new homes, they have no choice but to return and will suffer for many years because of the last government's incompetence, wrecking the economy and devaluing their pensions.

I think you are making the right decision, staying in Poland. The UK is going to be very unpredictable for a long while. Like you, I rant and rave about the lack of logic and common sense here, but, better the devil you know.

Love / Maintenance for child born between Irish/Polish parents. [60]

The child is Polish as well as Irish. I would imagine that the Polish courts would accept that the father has to pay for the upkeep of the child. Take legal advice and then try to get him to agree to a voluntary arrangement as the courts may award a much higher figure than he thinks.

Good luck to you and I hope you meet a much nicer person in the future.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]


You have no idea what this means. You have never provided any links to facts. Everyone bar you and your make believe friends is a liar, so how do you have a debate or discussion with normal people?

Your just a self opinionated, twisted, bitter, nobody. And there endeth the sermon.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

The truth always suffers in the end. Anyone who produces facts and not fiction on here is threatened with suspension, whilst a total moron is allowed to disrupt and destroy any help which genuine, facual, information that people may be searching for.

You mods may just as well delete this thread, you have no idea how to do your jobs anyway. you must be the only people on Polish Forums that does not recognize this multiple spammer.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

Oh!!!..I thought they were all the same per........ oppppss!!!! must not say that. I will get deleted again.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]


Do you mean the new flats that are going to be 2000 PLN m2? If you hear of any developers selling for this price, give me a shout, will you?

According to GUS, you will be buying at below the cost of new construction so you are onto a winner. I keep trying to find these articals that state that prices are crashing by 50%.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

Today's artical from Reuters answers your question. Poland does not have the biggest property bubble in Europe, or do you simply want to argue about the cost of construction in Poland?. Something you probably know nothing about.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

No, you are wrong. Read following from todays news, not rumours from 2 years ago.

Breaking News

3 hours 46 mins ago
Reuters

More distressed property sales are expected in the next 12 months as changes to international regulations will likely raise the capital cost of holding commercial property on banks' balance sheets, an industry body said. Skip related content

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Growth in distressed property listings eased slightly in the second quarter of this year, but are expected to worsen in the third quarter, the UK Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) said on Thursday, based on the results of a survey of its members.

RICS defines distressed properties as those with foreclosure orders or which are advertised for sale by their mortgagee, and which tend to fetch lower prices than their market value.

Three European countries -- Portugal, Spain and Germany -- were worse off in the second quarter, reporting distress in their market had risen at a faster pace than in Q1.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

Unfortunately, that will not solve the problem. Polish people who have jobs do not want to move away from their families/relatives to go and live in the big cities. Not everything revolves around Wroclaw, Poznan, Krakow, Warsaw etc. There are huge numbers of people who live in bad housing, especially in the small to large towns. They do not have much choice as the developers tend to go for the large cities where they hope to earn higher profits.

I would not worry about the empty new apartments in Wroclaw. According to Polsky (for the past two years), prices are going to fall to 1000 PLN m2 so they should all be gone soon.

And if you read the following artical, this company must also have got there sums wrong. It appears that there may be more empty apartments on the market in Wroclaw.

Warsaw Business Journal
Fadesa builds in Wrocław

12th July 2010

Developer Fadesa Polnord Polska has kicked off its first residential investment in Wrocław. Within a multi-phase project called Osiedle Innova, the company will deliver a total of 850 units. In the first phase of the development Fadesa has planned around 230 apartments sized 32-75 sqm. In the next few weeks the units will be sold at a promotional price of zł.5,957 per sqm. Fadesa Polnord Polska is best known for its Ostoja Wilanów project in Warsaw.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

And, a further report.

Warsaw Business Journal
Primary market appeal

26th July 2010


What part of "there is a shortage of new builds" did you not understand?

Law / Non-EU country citizen on tourist visa - could anyone help me with Karta Pobytu? [63]


Not technically correct. I received mine in April and I have not worked since 2004. I have only had a NIP number for the past year. Maybe the authourities have treated me as an exception but it seems that you get told different, criteria requirements, whichever office you contact.

Life / What are the poorest regions of Poland? [15]


I "here-tell", that we are in Afghanistan and Iraq to bring democracy to the people. Do you believe that as well?

Study / Any one know about WARSAW INTERNATIONAL COLLEGE & Is it good one ? [13]

Not sure if this is quite correct as I have just been granted permanent residence. I have lived here for 7 years but never worked.

Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]

And below you can read an extract from the Warsaw Business Journal, in which, the Polish government will put up another barrier for the provision of affordable housing in Poland. Like interest rates, construction materials are cheap at the moment but as the "financial crises" sorts itself out, prices will rise. I also note that two of the largest developers in Poland are about to start new projects in Krakow with a starting price of 8000 PLN m2. Whether you think that they can sell them or not is immaterial, the one thing I am sure of is that they are not going to be selling them for 2000 PLN m2.

Families on their own
17th May 2010

Plans to change the state's mortgage program have some worried.

"Let's be honest ... [the government] is trying to suffocate the program," Mr Bielecki said.
"It takes two years from the time I make the decision to build to the time I start selling - which is the moment I get construction permits," he stated. "When the government says it will do something in a year, it usually gets done in five years or not at all ... so I can't make any decisions now."

Mr Bielecki also said, limitations, on the total area of homes covered by the program was "complete nonsense" and contradictory to the government's pro-family policy. Moreover, in his opinion the price per square meter limit is unrealistic because time constraints, rising building costs and demand could force prices over the threshold.

Real Estate / Making an offer for Polish houses [30]

Mark, you already know that I am a builder. Its been made perfectly clear in earlier posts.

If you offered me 60% of the asking price for a property I owned I would tell you to fcuk off, in fact, I would tell you to fcuk of anyway as you are an idiot.


Are you sleeping on the streets?, do you rent somewhere to live? I would say that property is compulsory, whichever way you pay for it.

Real Estate / Making an offer for Polish houses [30]

Yes, I did mean that the auction in Poland was a silly idea., plus, mortgage facilities are not in place.

skibum:
Not if the seller sets a reserve


Skibum does not seem to understand that if the seller sets a reserve price which is not reached, the potential buyer is not going to be able to purchase, therefore the buyer does not dictate the price, the seller does. Whether the seller is greedy, stupid, whatever.

milky:
I would offer him 50 % and wait and if no reply wait a bit longer and if no reply wait a bit longer and hopefully by then he would be delighted with the 50% maybe even 30%. Or just rent and wait as gravity always wins..Buying now would not be a gamble just acute stupidity .


plk123, you are dealing with Mark Biernat (alias "Milky") so either give up or accept that this person is mentally deranged and will answer you with about 30 other different names and has been predicting an 80% price crash for the past two years.


Skibum. It does not matter if its overvalued, the buyer still does not dictate the price.
Since last Summer, the price of a barrel of oil has dropped from nearly $140 a barrel to $60 a barrel at the beginning of this week. Have you seen petrol prices fall by 50%. You might use the argument that petrol is not the same as property but the principles are just the same, the oil companies do not care if you buy less petrol now, they know that you will have to buy eventually and they will get the price they want.

If somebody is desperate for money then they may sell their property/assets at a knock down price (distressed sales/reposessions). Firstly you have to find a person in these circumstanes and secondly, you have to really want what they have to sell. You should also realise that 10% of the people who put their property on the market, change their minds and withdraw the property, even after serious offers.

80% of buyers are trading up to more expensive properties, so, with the banks wanting larger deposits to safeguard the equity, many sellers, will not move unless they get the price they want for their existing property.

Real Estate / Making an offer for Polish houses [30]

skibum

What part of the post do you not understand?

Real Estate / Making an offer for Polish houses [30]


No, the point being that if the buyer dictated the price, they would have sold everything.

Having an auction was a stupid idea. Cash investors would want to pay silly money and first time buyers would have to risk paying a deposit and then trying to get a mortgage. In the UK, a buyer would already have a "firm" mortgage offer in place before bidding. You cannot do that in Poland. The banks here want all the paperwork and then they still take 4-8weeks to make a decision.

Real Estate / Making an offer for Polish houses [30]

If this were true, why, at the first property auction in Warsaw last year, out of 27 lots, only 7 were sold. The rest failed to reach the reserve price and there were 300 potential buyers bidding.

I would assume that this means the buyer does not dictate the price.
The next time you fill your car up with petrol, offer 2 zlóty per litre and tell us the response you get.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


Mark, you are a basket case. You lie, every time you are caught out. I have made 327 posts over a period of two and a half years, so where are the "thousands" of posts that you accuse me of writing?. Just look at the way you have tried to change "Milky's" (yourself) writing style and "accent", do you really think that Irish people say "Yee", perhaps you are thinking of Quakers in the old American films. Why has "Milky" never talked like that before?

If you have the bottle Mark, PM me your address and I will come and have a word in your eye.
Your just a gutless spammer with Schizophrenic tendencies.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


"buddy"?.........I can assure you that I choose my friends carefully and you would never be in that catagory. Friends respect each other. The only thing you respect Mark are your own, self opinionated views which you never back up with facts. As WB says (which was also deleted by admin) "he finds your rantings amusing". Personally, I never find lies and misleading information "amusing", we get enough of that from our governments and banks. People who write in with questions deserve a straight answer and useful advice. They do not need you impersonating 50 different people, slagging down everything to do with property.

You call me a developer. OK, as such, I have a good knowlege of the Real Estate market, also as a builder, I know the costs of land, materials and labour. Apart from the fact that you cannot afford property in Krakow, what qualifies you to advise on any of these topics?. You have been caught out too many times, spamming different forums and now you say its a "cut and paste" job carried out by one of your alias's. Do you think the people on this forum are as stupid as you?

Get a life Mark, or, at least study the subject that you wish to denigrate.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

milky
Apr 30, 10, 12:15 / #201
A mate of mine who is a journalist for a local newspaper in the lovely land of saints and scholars told me that sponsors for the paper would pull out if they printed the facts about the property bubble bursting. So they all went along with the scam and only printed lies to maintain the illusion. Now that it is burst and splattered all over the land they are all printing story's about how fcuked up everything is and how nobody saw it coming. The bubble in Poland is a lot worse than anything here but there are some who wouldn't notice a bubble even if their dumb ass was submerged in a bubble-bath.

Krakow Post Forum: posted by polsky on May.04.2010

A mate of mine who is a journalist for a local newspaper in the lovely land of saints and scholars told me that sponsors for the paper would pull out if they printed the facts about the property bubble bursting. So they all went along with the scam and only printed lies to maintain the illusion. Now that it is burst and splattered all over the land they are all printing story's about how fcuked up everything is and how nobody saw it coming. The bubble in Poland is a lot worse than anything

here but there are some who wouldn't notice a bubble even if their dumb ass was submerged in a bubble-bath.

How about the dirty tricks Mark?.........and the only twat is you. You need a good memory if you are going to tell lies, Mr Warsawski....lol

Sorry admin but I am allowed to answer when people like this attack my integrity and reputation.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

Thank you WB. At least you you know something about property. Have you noticed that Mark Biernat is back again, he has dropped his building cost down to 500 PLN m2 now, what a pratt.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]

milky

You listen to your friend "Polsky", don't buy anything. Live in a tent, a cave, a forest or on the beach. Nobody cares. Better still, you can surely afford 500 PLN a m2, build you fekin own and get that idiot Polsky (M.Biernat) to move in with you.

I will pass your advice on to the couple that bought one of my flats over the weekend, we sign the contract on the 11th May. I advised them that they ought to wait for the prices to drop 50% but for some strange reason, they insist on buying now, still, it takes all sorts.

Real Estate / House prices in Poland to drop more or rise again? [228]


And you still fail to provide any links or proof of what you say.