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Veles   
13 Aug 2016
Language / What language is this? Kashubian or Silesian? [37]

Judging by the name of photo taker I would guess she is either Belarusian or Ukrainian. Less likely Russian.

There is always a possibility she's Polish but was writing to Russian-speaking person, as his name Ivan suggests.
Veles   
13 Aug 2016
Language / What language is this? Kashubian or Silesian? [37]

Geez man, who or what are eastern Slavic

Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians are Eastern Slavic.

But would you say that the person who wrote this comes from a Russian speaking area/region in Belarus/Ukraine?

From the Soviet Union, which existed 60 years ago when this photo was - as you say - taken.
Veles   
13 Aug 2016
Language / What language is this? Kashubian or Silesian? [37]

We don't use Cyrillic alphabet in Poland, what I thought is actually commonly known fact.

Also, it is not Ukrainian nor Belarusian language - it is Russian version of Cyrillic alphabet. It doesn't mean that a person who wrote this is/was Russian.
Veles   
11 Aug 2016
Food / Polish Drink Vs Irish People [20]

Ah, if you're used to drinking vodka without a mixer maybe,

It is the only proper way to drink vodka for Slavic people. But the Irish are not Slavs so they can do it their own way. :]
Veles   
10 Aug 2016
Genealogy / What does it mean for surname to be included in Herb PRUS III? Napierkowski. [8]

I had to make quotes shorter, because I got some error from the forum that I quote too many signs. <_< So I have putted (...) somewhere, hope will still be understandable to which parts I refer. :)

of our Napierkowski (or the singluar version, Napiórkowska (...),I'm probably wrong so please feel free to correct me

Suffixes -ska and -cka in Polish surnames are feminine, while -ski and -cki are masculine.

As far as the Baltic roots my father that definitely makes since. My father always told me that he was certain we were Slavic, maybe part Czechoslovakian.

There is always a possibility to have some other roots in Czechoslovakia, people always had a tendency to travel, so maybe someone married someone from present day Czech or Slovakian land.

I always wondered if we were part Swedish (...)

Unfortunately, I am not good in genetics, but Poles in general differ in terms of look. But in case of your photo, you look like a Polish person and no one here would think otherwise. :)

anyhow, I know there's mixing to explain this but since I'm only the 2nd U.S. born generation and we've been able to trace the roots (...) for good or bad

There were plenty of nations living in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but I think people not often were marrying people of different religions. Not sure though. What I am sure is that even if officially something did not happened, unofficially could. :p

thus, I thought maybe I found my 'true' home possibly, which if so, I feel VERY lucky (...) (some reside in Germany but none live in Poland if all these sources are correct;

According to this site (I don't know if have an equivalent in English language):

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/napierkowski.html
there are 104 people with surname Napierkowski, mainly in Masovia and Greater Poland regions.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/napierkowska.html
same with feminine variant of a surname, but I am not sure if both options are not counted together, as it it gives exactly same number.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/napi%25C3%25B3rkowski.html
but check Napiórkowski surname. 2134 people with that surname, in territories closer to Olsztyn.

moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/napi%25C3%25B3rkowska.html
in feminine version 2175, same story with the location.

and I wonder if that has to do with WWII like with my family moving in the late 1930s even though they were Catholic and/or what happened to Poland post-war, or from 1945-1989).

By late 30s which years exactly do you mean? The war started in 1939. ;)

But Germans did not cared much about who is Catholic or who is not. No matter of religion Poles have been killed in large numbers by the nazis. Even today (exactly in few hours) some people from Israel are coming to my little rural area forgotten by the civilization to grant one man, who is buried here, the Righteous Among the Nations award. He was killed by Germans in 1942 or 1943 for helping Jews. Being Catholic was not important for the Germans, who also ordered to change Roman Catholic churches into Orthodox tserkovs, to make their Ukrainian allies happy.

After the war there was communism and indeed many people left the country in huge numbers.

Finally, my maternal side, Schaf (...) association with the area of Silesia

Yes, Schaffgotsch family was a nobility from Silesia which originated in Franconia. But I do not know if Schaf(f) and Schaffgotsch surnames are related. Silesia has a German history too, and if Schaff itself means something popular in German language there is a possibilty that plenty of not related people share same or similar surname.

There was one communist with surname Schaff born in Lviv (present-day Ukraine), and he was in fact Jewish.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Schaff

P.S.S. [...]

By typing "Napierkowski Nowogród" I have found a site with marriages index and it is shown that in 1892 Aleksander Napierkowski, son of Stanisław, have married Rozalia Konikowska, daughter of Stanisław.

On same site there are 50 results for Napiórkowski family, for Napierkowski 3. But in Nowogród only this one.

Korzunowski or Korzonowski...again, due to phonetic interpretation written in possible illegible handwriting

There may be plenty of options for that surname. Could be as well Korzanowski, Korzeniowski (there was one sportsman with that surname, and is Joseph Conrad's real surname), Korzeniewski.

Again thank you for for your assistance, (...) All the best!

No problem, take care and get better soon. :)
Veles   
2 Aug 2016
UK, Ireland / Baby father doesn't know English but wants to go for the British citizenship [76]

Boże mój, ______, MUSISZ się pilnie uczyć angielskiego, wreszczie po osmiach latach!!! Czy nie, żegnamy się a nigdy się nie widzimy!"

More or less. ;)

Thank you for that. But I'm expecting his child and he's got the name picked out and everything: I don't want to upset him.

Honestly speaking, every time I see your post regarding your boyfriend I have a feeling that you write anything just to confuse us and make us ask ourselves "WTF?!".
Veles   
1 Aug 2016
UK, Ireland / Baby father doesn't know English but wants to go for the British citizenship [76]

@See, Veles, I was right again! It's a double standard.

I think in general to obtain foreign citizenship one has to speak language of that country. In case of Poland probably no one would expect a foreigner to speak Polish like a pro, but to be communicative enough to not have any problems.

Language is not the only thing though, there should be something like test of general knowledge about a country (history, culture, society) too.
Veles   
1 Aug 2016
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

I mean see people fighting over this thread, really stupid.

I think arguing with each other may be considered a national sport in Poland :p

And yes, I can understand that as polish homogenous, being from a totally different race and religion would not be comfortable for others.

I am not really sure if religion is a big problem. Many Poles are Roman Catholics (or at least they believe they are), but still there are plenty of people who are not, including myself. I am still alive.

Would like to know what is the current situation in Poland. Has it been any major incident ?

I haven't heard about any recently. There are plenty of people from different parts of the world who study here, or live in general.
Veles   
1 Aug 2016
Life / Polish people and racism. [943]

I am Indian and planning to move to Poland and I am worried about racism.

You must be aware that Poland is homogenous country and people of different races are rare here. Hence some people may pay attention to your complexion, but it does not mean there would be any hostility.

There are of course some of the kind of those who posted above, but usually they are loudmouths only in the Internet.
Veles   
28 Jul 2016
Genealogy / What does it mean for surname to be included in Herb PRUS III? Napierkowski. [8]

There was no Poland in 7th century. :) Nowadays Silesia (or majority of it) is part of Poland, just as Mazovia, Pomerania etc.

Napiórkowscy (plural) is definitely connected with Napierkowscy family. Probably some slight modifications in pronunciation occured. So, according to one website, Napiórkowscy came from Prussia. There is plenty of material written about it in Polish language, I may translate it tomorrow or today but at night. Nevertheless, according to what is written there they have roots in Prussia, but Baltic, not Germanic.

Here is the link to English version of material about Coat of Arms.

prusowie.pl/prusowie/herb_prus-en.php

There is family name involved below Prus III variant. However, about family itself only in Polish is available.
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
History / Poles also killed innocents [32]

I am not even going to bother. If you - Harry - want to play such games, find yourself another opponent. I am not going to comment your statement about division of Cieszyn region - which OBVIOUSLY HAPPENED - but after Czechoslovak army was there. Action -> reaction. War -> peace treaty. Have fun.
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
UK, Ireland / Ireland and Poland - ways of struggling for independence [43]

I mean: Polish uprisings were not successful, while Irish war of independence was.

Is it understandable now, or do you live in a fantasy world, where Poles have conquered Siberia, Ireland was inhabited by elves, and Scandinavia is Asian peninsula?
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
History / Poles also killed innocents [32]

Harry - the conflict between Poland and Czechoslovakia over Cieszyn began in 23th January 1919. I mean military conflict. It lasted until 28th July 1920. In 1918 it was decided that by far mentioned territories will be under control of both nations - the parts inhabited by Polish population will be under Polish rule, while the parts inhabited by people of Czechoslovakia will be under Czechoslovakian rule. The latter were not happy with that solution, spreading some historical claims over territories inhabited by Poles. Mentioned lands were strategic for Czechoslovakia railroad, and territories full of coal. It is not important to list them at the moment. What is crucial is that Czechoslovakia wanted to control the whole area and it has nothing to do with Poles doing what they wanted.

Tomas Masaryk have received a letter from Poland where Poles asked Czechs to find a diplomatic solution over disputed areas. In response Czechoslovakia have "conquered" Spisz and Orawa. Czechoslovaks taking advantage from Polish-Ukrainian war (yes, not with Soviets - there is a different story with Soviets involved), have taken whole Cieszyn.

Making story short: territories inhabited by Poles were in Poland, those inhabited by Czechoslovaks were in Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovaks had territorial claims, and in result Zaolzie inhabited by Poles was incorporated to Czechoslovakia.

So how Poles have attacked Czechoslovakia? Poland did exactly the same thing which Czechoslovakia have done back then. Commenting how Poles were evil by taking some land from Czechoslovakia, which Czechoslovakia took from Poland few years before in a similar circumstances is either lack of basic historical knowledge about certain region or time period, or is extreme ignorance and hypocrysy.
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
UK, Ireland / Ireland and Poland - ways of struggling for independence [43]

I am not very acquainted with the history of Irish fights for independence BEFORE the War of Independence. But the main difference between Poland and Ireland here is that Ireland fought for it only with one enemy - Great Britain. Poland had three enemies, and during our uprisings Poles had to deal with all these occupants. Polish uprisings were not successful, while Irish were.
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
History / Poles also killed innocents [32]

1. The goal of Ukrainian nationalists was not to fight with Poles, but to exterminate them completely from the land they wanted to control. And they basically did. Hence, it is a genocide. What Polish side did in a response was a revenge for the actions of Ukrainians.

2. Poles who are aware of ethnic cleansing done by Polish soldiers are against such actions and are more likely to consider these people war criminals instead of heroes. Ukrainians still consider their war criminals as heroes.

3. No matter what Poles did, it does not change a fact of what Ukrainians did. Just because Poles killed Ukrainians afterwards doesn't magically switch a genocide to "tragedy", like many people prefer to say.

4. Poland aggression on Czechoslovakia was dictated by previous aggression of Czechoslovakia on Poland. Poland have not sided with Germans, but have seek opportunity, just as Czechoslovakia did when Poland was attacked by the Soviet Union.
Veles   
27 Jul 2016
Genealogy / What does it mean for surname to be included in Herb PRUS III? Napierkowski. [8]

The surname connection with Prus III basically means, that family of Napierkowski, Napiórkowski and Napiorkowski (both cases) have used Prus III as the crest of their family. In Poland we had heraldic families, meaning that plenty of families (not necessarily connected by blood) shared the same coat of arms, or slightly modified, and Prus III was linked to 125 families.

I am not sure what do you mean by differences between Poland and Prussia. It is basically the same difference that was between Poland and Austria. And about what time period you talk about? Times of partitions of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? Back then there was no Germany, but various German lands - Prussia was one of them.