History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


The same source expresses also the opinion on the alleged plans for the Jewish domination of Poland:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeopolonia is an antisemitic conspiracy theory positing future Jewish domination of Poland.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


How someone seeking his/her homeland in Palestine had even time and energy to discriminate against Poles in Poland?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


A Zionist is a Jewish nationalist that supports the 'reestablishment' of a Jewish homeland in the territory viewed as the historic Land of Israel.

Why then the


?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Is the British society really divided by race or is it only your way of seeing it?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Because you seem not to read my posts in English, at least the links attached to them, then read the same in Polish, but please read it carefully now:

"Naród żydowski został wymyślony"
palestyna.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/narod-zydowski-zostal-wymyslony

What do you think about all this?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

What is the organizing principle of a nation?

It can't be race, because France is "Celt, Iberian, German....The most noble countries, England, France and Italy, are the ones where the blood is most mixed." Language, by contrast, "invites us but does not force us, to unite". Countries which share the Spanish or English language don't merge with one another, while the people of Switzerland speak several languages. Modern nationhood also cannot be based on religion, which Renan observes, is currently practiced according to individual belief. "You can be French, English, German, yet Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, or practicing no religion". Mutuality of interests is fine for corporations and their affiliates, but nationality is based on sentiment. Geography merely leads us astray, and often to violence: "Mountains don't know how to carve out countries".

Don't you afraid that you are loosing your Polish identity and unwittingly are gaining a new one?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

What is a nation?

When the peasant became the Pole?

When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?

Those are the questions you should ask first.

Am I right?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Qu'est-ce qu'une nation? by Ernest Renan

A nation is "a daily referendum" [...] nations are based as much on what the people jointly forget, as what they remember.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

One thing historians must do is to remember what people either made up or forgotten.

Who said that?

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


The concept of nationhood and of modern nation originated just around the French Revulsion so nation in exile as you put it is inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people.

As for Shlomo Sand being an idiot with an agenda.

"In the Israeli discourse about roots there is a degree of perversion. This is an ethnocentric, biological, genetic discourse. But Israel has no existence as a Jewish state: If Israel does not develop and become an open, multicultural society we will have a Kosovo in the Galilee."

The agenda seems to be then a noble one.

The French Revolution not the French Revulsion. Sorry.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Why people on this forum are so much fixed on that DNA. After all jewishness as any other nationhood is a historical construct and a very recent one.

From the book by prof Shlomo Sand: The Invention of the Jewish People:

At a certain stage in the 19th century, intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people "retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back to its birthplace.

haaretz.com/general/shattering-a-national-mythology-1.242055

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]


Your Bible of DNA tests is available only to those who have the skill to read the hieroglyphs of mathematics. I prefer the language of normal people.

History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]

Wincenty Witos, the leader of the Polish peasants and a prime minister during the interwar period, cautioned, "Poland fell as a state of nobility and rises as a peasant state, as such it can and must survive. Wotos' reminiscences of the reaction of the Polish peasantry to the rebirth of the Polish state are illustrative of the differing collective memories of the peasants of pre-partition Poland. He recalls that "the majority of peasants were very concerned, fearing once the Polish state was restored, back would come serfdom and total enslavement to the nobles.

When the peasant became the Pole?
historia.newsweek.pl/kiedy-chlop-stal-sie-polakiem-tomasz-kizwalter-newsweek-pl,artykuly,281641,1.html

Language / Polish Language Exchange Thread [141]


Zatem is too bookish for that context.

Zatem = therefore (cognate of the German dafür)

be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Genealogy of one of the best known Polish Jewish families: all...my ancestors and kinsfolk over three hundred years in Poland who actively participated in Polish life: the wise doctor from the Czech Brandeis family (now Brandys) who performed the duties of physician at the court of King Władysław IV Vasa and gave the beginning for more than one native Polish family of the nobility; the captain and doctor in Tadeusz Kościuszko's insurrectionary army; the member of the National Government during the January Uprising; and...three uncles in the Polish legions.

Today, it is 15th anniversary of the death of the Polish essayist and writer Kazimierz Brandys; it is worth mentioning today.

Life / Polish people are the most ignorant people in the world! [331]

History / What Hitler really thought about Poles? Hitler's letter to Himmler 1944 [111]


How came it that Hitler, as mad as he was, took the ruling position is still a complete mystery.

History / What Hitler really thought about Poles? Hitler's letter to Himmler 1944 [111]

HITLER'S TABLE TALK, 1941-1944
His Private Conversations

Of all the Slavs, the Czech is the most dangerous, because he's a worker. ... Now they'll work, for they know we're pitiless and brutal. ... the Czechs are a foreign body in the midst of the German community. There's no room both for them and for us. One of us must give way. As regards the Pole, it's lucky for us that he's idle, stupid and vain.

Life / Life in Poland for American who likes women, beer, hates Tories and is concerned about the weather [19]


Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
For fellows whom it hurts to think.

Language / "Do you drink vodka?" (generally, not NOW) equals "pijesz wódke?" in Polish? [10]


I just wanted to say that are you drinking vodka?, which is question in progressive aspect and do you drink vodka? in simple aspect are innovative in the English itself (only in its modern version as examples show) and peculiar among European languages.

The differentiation between simple and progressive aspects dates back to early modern English since examples given are from the late sixteenth, early seventeenth centuries.

Language / "Do you drink vodka?" (generally, not NOW) equals "pijesz wódke?" in Polish? [10]

They may be helpful in understanding aspects of Modern English - which are particular to this language.

Without too much philosophising you can always ask: Vodka, eh?

Language / "Do you drink vodka?" (generally, not NOW) equals "pijesz wódke?" in Polish? [10]


Those are differences of aspect in Modern English. Some time ago the English language was like other European languages in this respect. For example:

Whither goest thou? Merchant of Venice
Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. The King James Bible

So Czy pijesz wódkę? do not differentiate present and simple aspect of the Modern English.

Czy pijasz wódkę is so-called frequentative, so it translates to Do you drink vodka from time to time?

If you want to propose somebody to drink vodka, then simply ask Czy napijesz się wódki?


Sorry, I meant progressive and simple aspects.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

So we are then of the same opinion.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


Since the time the word was taken from the Latin language to all Slavic languages, it has evolved (look Moor in the online etymological dictionary) both in meaning and sound; after that. The meaning changed, influenced by western languages (so-called loan translation) or I should rather say it was influenced by the connotations reflecting attitudes of the western societies, or elites of the western countries - mostly colonial ones.

It is a general truth that the offensiveness of the word depends on the intention of those who use it and sensitivity of those who are called by it and true not only about the word Murzyn but also about any word; so, I should have rather writen that

Offensiveness of A word depends on the intention of those who use it and sensitivity of those who are called by it. If there are any bad connotations, then you should look for them in the wider context, and not only confined to Poland.

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]

On etymology of the word:

Zapożyczenia w językach słowiańskich:

murinъ 'Murzyn' (← sgn. mōr, por. niem. Mohr, Maure, isl. mór; ← łac. Maurus 'Maur, Murzyn północnoafrykański'; pośrednictwo germańskie mało prawdopodobne, bo nazwy grup etnicznych z przyrostkiem -inъ mają zwykle rodowód łaciński);

Online Etymology dictionary:

Moor (n.) Look up Moor at Dictionary.com

"North African, Berber," late 14c., from Old French More, from Medieval Latin Morus, from Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Greek Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros "black" (but this adjective only appears in late Greek and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse). Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.

Meaning of the word in contemporaty Polish

1. the primary sense of a word «Black person»
2. colloq. «(deeply) tanned man»
3. colloq. «one who works for another without revealing his identity - a ghostwriter»
4. colloq. «one who works very hard and is exploited»

Offensiveness of the word depends on the intention of those who use it and sensitivity of those who are called by it.

Language / Learning Polish but not focusing on the grammar, good idea? [37]


Grammars are mere collections of idiosyncrasies added to the internal language of thought to produce Polish, Engish or any other language... that infants can virtualy get from the air - it must be thus a piece of cake for an adult.

History / History behind Poland and Turkey's Relationship [118]


... dirty old granddad, it's time for the grave, not for the games of youth.