History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]



There is contradiction somewhere in these statements.Why pay attention to backard people?

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Germany could also become ``velika Albania`` and all Europe will be Eurabia...

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Not even talking about Australia!

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


But fist you have to convince Germans,Swiss and Austrians to become
part of Central Europe instead of Western as they accustomed to be.


This link you provided cuts in half some countries.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

If georaphy of the country is defined by its culture then Western Europe soon to become part of
Middle East.Somebody could think of it as a something worthwhile...

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Immigration Act of 1924
Congressional opposition was minimal.

Proponents of the Act sought to establish a distinct American identity by favoring native-born Americans over Southern and Eastern Europeans in order to "maintain the racial preponderance of the basic strain on our people and thereby to stabilize the ethnic composition of the population".[6][7] Reed told the Senate that earlier legislation "disregards entirely those of us who are interested in keeping American stock up to the highest standard - that is, the people who were born here".[8] Southern and Eastern Europeans, he believed, arrive sick and starving and therefore less capable of contributing to the American economy, and unable to adapt to American culture.[6]

So restrictive were the new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, that in 1924 there were more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Chinese, and Japanese that left the United States than those who arrived as immigrants.[16]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

From this it is clearly seen that in the beginning of 20-th century Poles and Czecs were regarded as Eastern europeans, secondary people to ``American identity``.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Could you give a refference which shows that relation of Western powers to that part of Europe was different before an ``Iron Curtain``? For example German Nazies believed that Poles are underhumans and indended to clean Europe from them altogether.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

In movie she is reffered as ``Horpyna`` - a Ukrainian lesbian witch.

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History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Probably you are from Mongolian steppes...

I see this thread is really troll-on-troll one...

Domogarov in the movie ``Ogniem i mieczem`` is similar to Chechen from
Nother Caucasus.Ukrainian cossacks shaved beard clean,only mustche
they wore.And his black curly hair...
And what did you want to say be posting movie fragment?
You forgot to mention Ukrainian witch lesbian who liked to abuse Polish woman.
Maybe you could post this fragment?

News / Czechs most liked by Poles! [35]


I`m very glad that you found some brothers,but could I know where such a brothery connection come from?


By the way,which countries openly fought in WWII on side of Hitler who intended to eliminated Polies as a nation and sent 2 millions of ethnical Poles in concentration camps to die?..

And which countries cleared Poland from the Nazies and presented them the huge piece of their former land so they would just migrate from canalisation where they dwelled under Nazies in beauty houses just left by the Germans?..

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


I suggest that Western or Eastern Europe is almost purely geographical term,not cultural.For example if native English will, for same reason, migrate to Ukraine and with time constitute majority of population there and will bring there their own culture,will Ukraine become Western European country?Pure absurdity to me.And geographically there is no sense to divide Europe into Western, Central and Eastern.It is effectivly cut in two parts: Western and Eastern.With Scandinavian countries due to their special georaphical position going to Nothern Europe.Sometimes they refer to Czech republic as Central European country to emphesize its unique geographical and cultural specifics.But Praga is situated almost on the same longitude as Berlin what is really unique.But still both Czech and Poland is regulary Eastern Europe geographically.

Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]


In entire world blue eyes seem to be more common than grey ones.Still grey eyes are more common in Russia,Finland and Baltic states.But even there they may not be more common than blue or blue-grey.You need to provide reference if you want to state the opposite.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Could you detail it?Thanks.

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Interesting.Could you describe this cultural difference in detail?What do you meen exacly as cultural?
For example consumption of pure alcohol per capita in Poland (13.25 liters/person/year) is comparable to that of Ukraine
(15.60) and Russia (15.76) and Czech republic is even higher (16.45).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Polish GDP per capita both nominal and PPP is similar to that of Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Interesting.Could you describe this cultural difference in detail?What do you meen exacly as cultural?

History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]


Strange map.I never heard of UK or Ireland as part of norther Europe.
I thought that only Scandinavian countries fall in this category.Neither
Baltic States.They are usually part of Eastern Europe.Former Yugoslavia as well.

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History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

In Soviet Great encyclopedia Poland is reffered as part of Central Europe.
Even though there is no exact difinition of Cental Europe itself.
Probably Poles didn`t want to be in Eastern Europe even under communism.
But personally I feel that term ``Central Europe`` is a bit pretentious and rather
politically than geographically motivated.So for seriuos person there should no
Central Europe unless he wants to use it in present political sense.From what
I know georaphically and even culturally Poland is rather Eastern Europe.
Czech republic is a bit different thing, but still...

Genealogy / The typical Polish look, or all Eastern Europeans [656]


I think that sufficient part of this dark haired polish admixture may have come from ancient
Pontic admixture.As well as in Ukrainians and Southern Russians.In case of Northern Slavs it is
used to call ``North Pontid`` type.
humanphenotypes.com/NorthPontid.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontid_race

Also Alpines , who constitute large part of population in South East Poland (Gorid variety) also have tendency to have
dark pigmintation.
humanphenotypes.com/Gorid.html

Genealogy / Typical Polish Eye Color [77]


Could you not to write some eyewash here?Majority of people in Eastern Ukraine are officially Ukrainians not Russians,it is only their language that is ugly mixing of Ukrainian and Russian or in some regions more pure Russian lang.The only region of Ukraine is Crymea where ethnical Russians constitute absolute or at least relative majority of population.(Soon it will be Tatars).In other regions far from it.

The green eye colour is not predominant among Slavs.Far from it.Blue and even brown are more common.Grey is common too.Natural redheads are not uncommon among ethnical Ukrainians and Russians.I do not think it is necessarly linked to Western Europeans.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]

What is concerning ``estimates`` provided by Richard Lynn in particular, I cannot take it seriously.
They changed their previous ``estimates`` and ``downgraded`` average Polish IQ from 102 to 99,
Ukrainian from 99 to 96.In the same time time they ``upgraded`` average Americn IQ from 96 to 98
average British from 99 to 100! Even poor New Zelanders according to them have IQ = 100 which
is not lower than British! So now they practically have no Germanic or English speaking country which
would have IQ lower than any Slavic country.With notable exception of Irish!
To avoid accusations in racism he made move with making Asians ``smarter`` than Whites.I`m glad
if it`s true but Mongols been vastly smarter than Irish seems to be beyond science...
And the three major nations with highest IQ according to him are Japanese, Germans and Italians.
The former ``axis powers`` in WWII.

I found another IQ estimates of Richard Lynn.Those are newer and dated something like 2006 year.
Now he estimates average German IQ only at 99 and Russian at 97.Also he believes for some unknown
reason that average Belorussian and Ukrainian IQ should be exactly the same as Russian (without any tests taken)
even though those countries have much more homogenous Slavic population than Russia...

photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]

What I would be glad to know is how they figured out difference in IQ between different European nations.
For example they state that average IQ of Irish is only 93 while in Irelend there is handful of some minorities.
In the same time average American IQ is 98 while 40% of U.S. dwellers belong to visible minorities.
If we take for granted their point that IQ is race dependent then how come?.. Well, some Anglo-Saxons
despised Irish therefeore they could gain on them...And what is average IQ of white Americans?Probably
they should be the smartest people in the nearest part of Galaxy?..
Italy has IQ 102 (higher than Poles) and this is regardles Italians having substntial part of non-Indoeuropean
(mostly Semitic) blood... Especially Southern Italians of course.
Mongols according to them are smarter than Russians and Ukrainians...
By the way, I encountered those estimates before.They constantly change them.For example they downgraded
Poland IQ from 102 to 99.Your nation.As well as Ukraine from 99 (if I remember it correct) to 96.
It seems they are trying to suite those estimates under some classical Nazi theory...

History / Should Poland organize March of the Living in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland? [64]

There remain some dark spots in this story.First of all in this part of Western Ukraine in 1939 lived approximately 2.2 million of Poles and only 3.5 millions of Ukrainians.Do not is seem to you that it would be quite suicidal idea for Ukrainians to wage full scale war on Poles at such population breakdown?And especially taking in account that Poles were usually better organized and had more money to purchase weapon and ammo?And what was any sense to start such suicidal war on Poles before it would be clear if Ukraine have any chances to become independent?Do they seriously believed that Stalin will grant independence to it?And why Ukrainians didn`t expect that 2.2 millions of Poles will not cause any armed and organized resistance?Especially if we take in account that before 1939 Western Ukraine was for decades under Polish administration (occupation) and some systems for a case of Ukrainian violence and uprisings should be perfected long time ago.There were not only small villages in Volhynia but also cities like Rovno,Dubno, etc.

Were there any casualties among Ukrainians?And where exacly Ukrainians took weapon and amunition in number sufficient to kill millions of people,and what exactly weapon did they have?

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I think that good solution for most of modern Ukrainians would be not only allow move them into EU countries as to bring EU govenment to them.For example developed countries may establish some control over certain functions of Ukrainian government including police,tax and fiscal system etc.I sure that majority of Ukrainians would agree if it settled properly.EU could establish some patronage over Ukraine.Ukraine have huge potential and could give profits if developed properly.


I didn`t mean isolation,rather I meant self-sufficiency.It means Poland needs to have diverse industrial base and developed internal marked based on internal demand.And also be cotious of world financial system.For example, do not purchase tons of dollars or euros or bonds mindlessly.Invest more in gold and precious metals, its own manufacturing development.


It is interesting that if believe to those estimates level of life in different countries
is often disproportional to IQ level.For example average Slovenian IQ is 95 and Slovenia
is the richest Slavic country while average Ukrainian IQ is 96 which and Ukraine is poorest
Slavic country.I reviewed those estimated and a bit suspicious about them.They stick to
Hitler`s idea about supremacy of some particular nations too much.For example I would be
glad to know how the autor figured out that average German IQ is substentially higher than
Ukrainian or Russian, and American is higher than Ukrainian even though 40% of Americans
belong to ``visible minorities``?Is there some refference to some particular test results?

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


We have to note that in the last 30 years Western countries more and more live in debt.For example total debt of U.S. is 60 trillions of USD what is approximately equal to World GDP.In other Western countries situation is not better if not worse.

usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

For example government debt of UK (90% of GDP) + external debt (505% of GDP) is already close to 600% of GDP! And total debt should be even higher.I do not know how it will end but Greece,Iceland,Ireland and some other already beg for mercy.

One of the most well kept secret of Western society is secret of its prosperity.Not because of their own manufacturing production Western countries live so well.For example Slovakia currently is country which produces largest number of cars per capita.This neighbour of Ukraine is still relatively poor country with high unemployment.In the same time Americans drive Japanese cars,eat Argentinean peers and bananas,wear Pakistani jeans and shoes.Nearly 90% of world electronics is produced in SEA.Nearly all compuer Intel processors are produced outside of U.S.! I do not know for how long such system will persist and for how long world will believe that US dollars or U.S. bonds represent some value.There was a moment when China decided that they enough U.S.

bond and will purchase them no more.Hilary Clinton immediately flown in China.I do not know about what they spoke but China desided to continue purchasing U.S. bonds and other ``valued`` papers.

Well, to have largest stockpile of nukes and largest carrier fleet is advantage,of course.But China is also increasing its carrier fleet...
If Poland will stay away from it then will develope some real economy which is self sufficient and prone to world economy crisises.


They are unlikely to concentrate in some particular area of Poland.And modern Ukrainians are not very stick to their language vs. Polish language, that it could prevent them to assimilate.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


Partially, this is fault of developed countries.They could establish supply of free
contraceptives to third world countries long time ago.As well as free nice looking radio
receivers with interesting musical channels and propoganda of fertility rates regulation.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


You are dreamer.According to his profile he lives in Germany.Don`t worry, he is playing fool, but he
is not fool enough.


When immigration programs of Western countries were mentally healthier, Ukrainians were allowded
practically anywhere.Recently Canadian primier Stefen Harper told that more then 1 millions of ethnical
Ukrainians were worth addition to Canadian society.Unfortunatelly from those 1 million remained mostly
Ukrainian family names since most of them easily assimilated.1 million of Ukrainians live in U.S. too.
Fortunately I never heard about such thing as an ethical Ukrainian mafia or any other problems associated
with them.We still have to hear the same prizes from Stefen Harper about some other communities.And stories
about some beheadings, tortures and family member killings are full of Canadian newspapers...

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I`m not sure that many of them would want to move in Poland so much,unless until
they have possibility to move in Canada,Australia and similar countries.


I didn`t even expect he will do it. I do not think there is any sizeble number of native Europeans
who really want to convert their countries into melting pots and crowd them with numerous immigrants.
Those who say so are just playing fool or persecute some secret agendas.Unfortunately, some politicians
do it as well.As I know hardly any European country had referendum regarding immigration or counted
for mind of majority of population.If they would do, there would be practically no immigrants from outside
of EU.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I wonder, how Poles could tolerate something like this?.. If you are not Pole, what is your
concern to come here and teach Poles how they suppose to regulate their own demographic
situation and threat to them with some conquest and sterilization???


Your point is rediculous.Why modern English suppose to care that their country was invaded 1500 years ago and allow to come new invaders??? Maybe England needs to hold referendum on this issue?According to polls.

euractiv.com/socialeurope/europeans-overwhelmingly-immigra-news-507074

overwhelming majority of Europeans and English especially are against mass immigration to their countries.I do not see why they shoud ask some insane minority what to do...


And why exactly diversity is good?Could you give any arguments?And since those Europeans who like diversity in their countries are in minority maybe they will themself ultimately move to the Asian countries?..