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jon357   
6 Apr 2012
Life / Moving to Poland Part-Time (probably Katowice) [56]

Have to agree with Smurf - Katowice is a massively under-rated city.

+1

That district behind and above the station, going up to the tennis club is an architectural gem and should be heavily protected.

Nice people round Katowice too.
jon357   
6 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

Jarosław Kaczyński, leader of conservative right wing PiS, vowed

Does anyone, anywhere, believe one word this guy says?

Zbigniew Ziobro, leader of a newly formed conservative right wing party, Solidarna Polska, former member of PiS, announced he is going to run.

Thereby guaranteeing a win for PO.

"Wstarczy cztery Ziobra, a Polska bedzie dobra..."
jon357   
7 Apr 2012
Travel / Any Anglican churches in Poland? [35]

You won't find that in the Anglican Church in Warsaw, although Father Felix is a nice guy. They use an RC chapel on Krakowskie Przedmiescie and also have something in Gdansk.

Before the war there were thousands of Anglicans in Poland, especially in Warsaw and Bialystok.
jon357   
7 Apr 2012
Language / How similar are Polish and Romanian languages? [75]

It was considered (along with Polish and Romanian) to be an official language, however many of the pre-war settlers had already learnt (or were already learning) Hebrew and the local Jewish population as well as the North African and Asian Jews didn't speak Yiddish at all.
jon357   
8 Apr 2012
Travel / Any Anglican churches in Poland? [35]

Many Brits worship only self-indulgence: me, myself and I!

You can say the same about 'many' Poles, or your nationality, Americans.

And most any deity is better than that innit?!

Only if that deity actually exists.
jon357   
8 Apr 2012
Life / Lodz vs Wroclaw - difference in mentality of people? [53]

£ódź is the most depressing city I have ever been.

If you're looking for quaint and colourful, Lodz isn't the place to be. Nevertheless, it has a unique atmosphere and there is something special about the centre.
jon357   
9 Apr 2012
Food / Anyone try Polish spirytus straight? [6]

Have any of you ever got talked into downing a nip of undiluted spirytus (

Yes, I've drunk it neat quite often. My Ukrainan lodger was partial and I sometimes joined him, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Nasty stuff.
jon357   
10 Apr 2012
History / Which countries are Polands friends, which are Polands enemies? [75]

if the British hadn't handed Poland to the Russians on a golden plate

I'd go further than that and say that the decision was a joint one between the USA and the USSR - Britain had little or no say in the matter.

& allowed Polish living standards to remain the same for 50 years

Polish living standards were pretty dreadful even before the war and improved considerably under the PRL.

Well, a British friend of mine who has lived about 20 years in Poland and teaches at the local university (and took his doctorate in Poland) recently had to suffer a door-to-door salesman shouting "Polska dla polaków" in his face because he refused to buy a new door.

Pretty well a normal Poland story.
jon357   
12 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

Who is a more powerful figure the President or the Prime minister?

Very much the Prime Minister. The President has a very limited role, although a recent one tried to exceed that role on a number of occasions.
jon357   
12 Apr 2012
Law / Online brokerage firm for Buying and selling stock on WSE? [6]

I currently use Scottrade when I invest in companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Is there a Polish equivalent for online transactions?

Your bank's online service should allow you to buy shares listed in different countries. I use halifaxsharedealing-online.co.uk
jon357   
12 Apr 2012
Travel / Zielona Gora - What's there? [19]

Zielona Gora - What's there?

Not much. A good microbrewery though and vineyards that produce German white wine.
jon357   
12 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

Could the President be a stronger figure based on
the strength of his party or coalition?

If the President is the from the same party as the Premier, rule tends to be more consensual. As to whether he can be a stronger figure - that would depend on the internal dynamics within the party.

If the President and Premier are from different parties, the President is more likely to be outspoken. But (and it's a big but)., the President's role is very limited. All he can really do is veto new laws that have less than (I think) 60% support from members of parliament. He can also refuse to sign off certain public and academic appointments, simply to make trouble. Lech Kaczynski was notorious for this.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
News / Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland [472]

No, it depends solely on constitution.

You'd think so, but the last one tried his hardest. Even talking about a 'fourth republic'.

Top Model would do just fine as president;)

We have an old lady instead. Saves a lot of trouble.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

now imagine that the Smoleńsk crash was actually a Russian terrorist act

This is the problem. People 'imagine' a bit too much without going straight to the bottom line. The Russian government had no reason whatsoever to cause a plane crash. Nor did anybody else.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

The szlachta were all nobles.

No they weren't. They were between 12 and 18% of the population - too large to be a nobility. They were farmers. Very few could be considered noble in any sense.

Too bad for you. You just don't understand the meaning of the First Republic's Golden Freedom.

Golden Misgovernment and Self-destructive Chaos might be a better description. Read Carlyle on the matter.

Going back to the topic - surnames in Poland don't really give any indication of social status. I know people with illustrious surname's from history who are as rough as a bear's arse and penniless with it and people with the most plebeian sounding names who are perfect gentlemen in every sense.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Language / It is not possible to translate names into English or Polish! [52]

jacek ( jack ),

beata ( betty )

Beata translates better as Beatrice (Ela is closer to Betty) and Jacek, believe it or not, translates as Hyacinth.

A few names - especially better known Biblical ones have a clear translation - as do many surnames.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Language / It is not possible to translate names into English or Polish! [52]

!jacek means hyacinth?

Yes. It surprised me when I found out. Apparently there was an early Christian martyr called Hyacinth. I suspect the flower is named after him.

why have you changed your name?

I just fancied a change - It's the 4th name I've had over the years.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

The day I take notice of even one word that Antoni Macierewicz comes up with will be a bloody cold one. The man is paranoid and unstable in every sense. It still seems like yesterday that he handcuffed himself to the Marszalek's chair then went on a hunger strike locked in his office. With of course a TV crew present.

Over the Smolensk issue, I'm surprised he doesn't hire a jester's outfit and lie down across the threshold of the sejm.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

Szlachta means nobility

It isn't a perfect analogy - for this reason:

The difference between Polish and other European nobility is that it was not wealth or lifestyle that constituted nobility, but hereditary juridical status. Nobility belonged to those of "noble birth" that is those whose parents were of the same noble origin (since 1505 at least the father had to be a noble).

Even 'gentry' is stretching it - Freemen is a better translation - the ones in the UK had (at the time Poland had its 1st Republic) an analagous legal status to Polish szlachty, were often affluent in relation to their neighbours and during that same period were gentrifying.

Polish nobility can't be compared to it's counterparts in other countries.

Exactly - nobility is the wrong word and the wrong concept.

He clearly had no idea about Polish nobility.
Read something else, preferably something written in XX or XXI c.

Carlyle was pretty definitive, however Norman Davis compares them to a caste rather than a stratum - this is perhaps the best analysis of the situation.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.

For disgusting maybe you should do some research on the percentage of Freemen in the respective countries.

This is spot on - the best way to describe them is as Freemen who due to an antiquated system surviving developed entrenched customs and marriage rules - there are interesting parallels with Mauretanian society today.

As far as surnames go, it was possible to join the szlachta - even foreigners could join, like the British Makalski family - the name doesn't necessarily give a clue to origin, nor does the ending -ski imply that the holder's ancestors were Polish Freemen.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
UK, Ireland / My dream about UK. Please help. [86]

It can be like that here.

If you want to work in the UK, avoid job adverts for the UK in Poland, unless its for highly skilled work - personal contacts are best.

For the type of work you've mentioned, I'd recommend a magazine called 'The Lady'. If they don't have an online version, perhaps someone in the UK could send you the latest copy. I'm not in the UK now, but maybe someone here can help.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

You are trying to define Polish nobles by using English definitions and this is wrong approach. In case of Polish nobility you will never get the same or even close result to British, French, Spanish etc. nobility.

This is exactly my point. However the szlachta can't be considered nobility - there were simply too many, and the socio-economic situation in Poland allowed a system to perpetuate over a century after it ended in the UK. That's why I drew an analogy to today's Mauretania - a stratified society with one principle caste who are considered free.

Szlachta (nobility:) within it's class was very democratic. The principle of equality within the nobility was almost sacred

Szlachta weren't nobility - they were Freemen.

Szlachta is nobility in Poland, end of story.

Very far from it. They may have been descended from a nobility (though most weren't) they may have aspired to nobility (though most didn't) they may have drawn a distinction between themselves and their ziemianin neighbour - but to describe them as nobility implies that there was a sense of nobless oblige, a noble code governing behaviour and a socio-economic distinction between themselves and those around them. It's tempting - especially for someone today whose ancesters were szlachta (Freemen) to draw that distinction, however it is essentially imposing a comparison with other cultures who have a genuine nobility and romanticising a past that was far from romantic. Norman Davies describes the situation rather well.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [853]

This is the worst thing to come from the crash, either politically or socially. Mind, this actually hangs in a church.

That is truly vile. Whoever allowed that in a church wants their bottom smacking.

where are the old, bold, ugly people?

Indeed. The picture looks more like a fart in a disco.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

In "God's Playground" he is using "nobility" as an exact word to describe szlachta.

I wasn't thinking of 'God's Playground' - but herein is the problem. 'Nobility' is an English word, not a Polish word. It implies noble behaviour and certain responsibilities. So does it's French cognate. Being szlachta had much more to do with Freedom than responsibility - as one poster said 'Golden Freedon'. This is why Freemen is a much better English translation.

wikipedia

Beware of any wikipedia entry (even English language ones) about Poland - they are written or edited by a group called the Polish Wikipedia Committee (I know several) with the specific purpose of promoting a Polonocentric point of view.
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

which comes from Latin and means a famous person. In later times a person of high social position in society

Indeed. In English (as in French) it implies responsibility. The British nobility had a responsibility to provide soldiers and to exercise the law in manorial courts.

He didn't mean that in every element they were the same as British nobility. The common platform was a high social standing in their respective societies.

You are right - they weren't the same. But can you say the Polish Freemen always had a high social standing? They certainly had a right to vote, however more that a fraction of them turning up to the Election Field would have been a logistical impossibility.

in the first volume of French encyclopedia under the letter "A", the longest article was about "anarchy" and almost whole was about Poland. As if anarchy was a distinctively Polish "thing". It's not all

It was however a unique system of government, whether good or bad. Unfortunately as with all forms of anarchy, the powerful (i.e. the true nobility) flourished at the expense of others.

the Liberum veto was not so stupid, as some believe. The usage of this legal mean since the mid-seventeenth century, especially in the eighteenth century, was of course detrimental to Poland. But the very notion of Liberum veto had a lot of sense and it worked well till second half of XVII c.

I'd certainly agrree with that, though as time went on it became less of a benefit and more of a problem.

But I'm not using this, not because of your conspiration theory, but simply because most of the articles there were written by morons to morons.

It isn't a conspiracy theory - the Polish Wikipedia Committee is a transparent organisation, registered at the KRS, acknowledged by the Wikipedia Foundation and transparent in their aims and membership - though I agree with your second point about wikipedia ;-)
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
UK, Ireland / My dream about UK. Please help. [86]

Here's a link to the job ads in The Lady. There are a few pages, and something might suit you:

lady.co.uk/lady_classifieds/category/Domestic%20UK
jon357   
13 Apr 2012
Life / Do Polish names generally have a meaning to them or a particular structure?. [88]

That seems to sum up my understanding of things. You could be a citizen who owned a tavern or a citizen in the senate,fair point,the majority in rome as in Poland had none of the rights of citizens where as in other feudal sociaties rights were extended further sooner.

I agree - this seems to be a pretty good explanation. One other (that was told to me a few years ago, by a Polish academic, was that the szlachta were those who considered themselves to be Polish. The peasantry didn't have that same identity - their sphere of experience was more regional.

For fellow non-polish PF members Józef Korzeniowski = Joseph Conrad.

I suspect most people know that, but thanks for mentioning it. He took the equality thing to an extreme - refusing a knighthood around the time that the Polish state was re-established for that very reason.

For your information, the political system of I RP was Noble Democracy, not Anarchy. My point about stereotypes went straight over your head...

What on paper is called a democracy is all to often something quite different in reality - the 1st Republic is a prima facie example of this.