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Which countries are Polands friends, which are Polands enemies?


Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #1
Well, not literally 'enemies', but, which countries (people) like Polish people, and which don't?

Obviously Germany and Russia have some tension, but that's well established. I've heard British people don't like Polish.
Clip here of British not liking Polish:



What countries do like Poland? What countries does Poland like in return?
MarcinD 4 | 135
10 Apr 2012  #2
Watched that video for a few minutes & the woman's anger should be directed at Britain's imperialistic ways. My dad taught me: You can't go fighting the globe & convincing others to help you fight wars WITHOUT permitting them to then later call your home their own.

I live in America so maybe this is ignorant to say.....but possibly there weren't be so many Poles trying to make a living in Britain if the British hadn't handed Poland to the Russians on a golden plate & allowed Polish living standards to remain the same for 50 years
peterweg 36 | 2,316
10 Apr 2012  #3
Got was dealt with quite harshly when she was tracked down. I don't think you can judge a nation based on one mentally illl womans rant. This video has already been posted and discussed at length.

What is the purpose of this topic, except to stir up racism and pleasure the racial prejudices of the OP?

Germany, IMO, is now probably classified as Poland's friends. Russia, not so.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
10 Apr 2012  #4
Countries aren't people- a person can like or dislike another person whereas the millions of people of one country usually don't know enough about the millions of people from another country to be able to make the same informed conclusion.

If you want to say most people in Poland don't like people from country x (or vice versa) then do so because as it stands your thread makes no real sense. It's a dumbed down way of trying to communicate something.

I also must ask, what the heck is the point of your question? What conclusions are you hoping to find and how would those be of any use to you?

Again, I reiterate, countries aren't people, speaking and writing as though they are reflects poorly on the thought one puts into an argument.
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #5
@MarcinD: Thank you, I appreciate your input.

I already hate this thread.

Don't reply in it then.

I don't think you can judge a nation based on one mentally illl womans rant

Actually, I have heard many examples of British not liking Poles, that was just one, to the point that I'm suspicious that it may be a stereotype, which is why I'm asking.

...except to stir up racism and pleasure the racial prejudices of the OP?

I don't see how this thread is any more or less racist than many other threads. At least my thread is not racist against the Poles. This is a Polish forum, and yet, extremely often I see threads that talk badly about Poles, as if written by a Pole, and yet, I am the bad guy?

The fact is that in this world there are cultures that like and don't like certain cultures. Call them stereotypes, or generalizations, or whatever you like, but that is what I am interested in because it reflects what issues exist. All I want to know is what countries like and don't like Poland, since I don't live there. Ok?

Germany, IMO, is now probably classified as Poland's friends

Ok, I didn't know that. I'm glad to hear that, and thanks for tell me this.

Countries aren't people

Already covered this.

What conclusions are you hoping to find and how would those be of any use to you?

I'm studying the stereotypes that relate to Polish culture. Is that a good enough reason? Do I need a special license from you?

Jesus, this forum is really messed up. What has the world come to when you can't ask a basic question without being bombarded with 'why are you asking' responses. Maybe it's because there's so many trolls in this forum (as mentioned above) that now you guys just suspect everyone of being a troll.
Ziutek 9 | 160
10 Apr 2012  #6
It's obviously true that had Poland not fallen under Soviet domination, her living standards would have been higher, and fewer people would have emigrated to find jobs. However, I am interested in why you think the British in particular, "handed Poland to the Russians on a plate".

Both Roosevelt and Churchill failed to understand the threat that Stalin posed, but from what I have read, Roosevelt was considerably more naïve than Churchill.
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #7
"handed Poland to the Russians on a plate"

I'm not sure the answer to this, my history is not that great. I guess maybe it's to do with allowing Poland to still be under control by Russia even after the war (?) and/or British being desperate to send Poles back to Poland at a bad time when they'd simply be captured, right after WW2 ended.
Ziutek 9 | 160
10 Apr 2012  #8
MememeBritish being desperate to send Poles back to Poland at a bad time when they'd simply be captured, right after WW2 ended.

Was anyone forcibly sent back? On the whole the Brits were very grateful for the Polish contribution during the war and treated well those who remained. My father was one of them.
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #9
Well... that's not what I heard, and a WW2 documentary that interviewed Polish soldiers said otherwise.

I don't know if they were 'forcibly' sent back, but there was apparently a lot of rudeness towards Polish soldiers, Brits saying things like "The war is over. Go back to your own country!" etc.

The documentary also mentioned something else, though I had trouble understanding. Something about all the different countries marching together after the war ended, but did not invite Polish soldiers to march with them??
pawian 157 | 9,150
10 Apr 2012  #10
Jesus, this forum is really messed up. What has the world come to when you can't ask a basic question without being bombarded with 'why are you asking' responses.

No, it is not messed up.

It is just bored to death with another topic based on a black and white view of the world: Poland/Poles - their friends and enemies.

There have already been many topics like that, discussions were long and hot.

The fact you want to start a new discussion on such an old old topic provokes suspicion that you are hungry for your 5 minute fame.

If you really want to learn about stereotypes, check other threads of the kind.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
10 Apr 2012  #11
Already covered this.

How did you do that? Where did you do that?

Do I need a special license from you?

No, why would you ask such a ridiculous question in response (unless such licenses do exist, then accept my apology) to a perfectly resonable one?
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #12
I'm not gonna argue, it's a waste of my time. I'll simply take pawians advice and do a search. I never intended to stay on this forum for long.

Thanks everyone who did help me though.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Apr 2012  #13
Obviously Germany and Russia

Add dutch to that. On the other side I would put Hungarians, Romanians I think, Irish I guess, some of them complain but given the amount of Poles living there It's rather mlid in my opinion.
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #14
It's a shame people nowadays cannot answer simple questions with a simple answer. It would take less time and effort than complaining about a question that is not that big of a deal in the first place.

I mean, god.. all I wanted was something like:

Stereotype of cultures that dislike Poland:
* <country1> - brief reason
* <country2> - brief reason

and vice versa for like Poland, and then in the opposite direction..

Really difficult to do.. Like I would really care about fame in this place..

Suspecting someone of being a troll is also considered trolling.

(PS: This reply was not directed at your comment Grzegorz)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
10 Apr 2012  #15
You will find many, many more people who have a very positive attitude towards the Polish in the UK. The example you posted was so exceptional it made the nation newspapaer and television news

Was anyone forcibly sent back? On the whole the Brits were very grateful for the Polish contribution during the war and treated well those who remained.

Nope, they were not forced back, and my father was one of them.

Well... that's not what I heard, and a WW2 documentary that interviewed Polish soldiers said otherwise.

Complete bollocks. I've heard numerous older English people express gratitude for the Poles fighting with the British Army, even into the 1980's I still heard it.

Sorry, but I'm sick of this sort of thread which is insulting to Poles as much as every other nationality. Go and read some old threads, like the original thread where this video was reposed and stop spamming.
OP Mememe 1 | 9
10 Apr 2012  #16
A lot of the responses in this forum (and even MANY other threads) don't represent the Polish that I thought I knew.

I always thought of Polish people as being intelligent, a 'straight-to-the-point' eagerness to discuss issues brought up (as opposed to trying to prevent or slow down discussion) and the strength to cope with basic discussions.

If I asked my father what countries like/don't-like Poland, I would have received a straight answer, and he would have been more than willing/enthusiastic to discuss it.

If I asked my Polish friends, I would also receive a straight answer also.

But for some reason, when I go on a (apparently) 'Polish' forum and ask that question, I see responses that look like they're coming from a semi-retarded, politically correct 5 year old girl who is anti-Polish.

The whole point of making a new topic is to cut the crap and get some straight and basic answers, and if I need to: discuss them, without bumping a very old topic which might be also unrelated.

If this is a Polish forum, it's a very bad and self-destructive one.

With all the many Polish people in my life I have known, none of them reacted and responded (and talked about Poland) the way many people do here.

As I said before, if some of these responses really are coming from true Poles, I am extremely surprised and embarrassed (ashamed). To say that a discussion about how other cultures feel about Poland is 'insulting' is also insulting, and darn right stupid. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if its a bunch of anti-Polish foreigners, or halfies who are ashamed to be Polish just trolling around.

If you guys wanna keep talking about this issue, it's for your own sake now. I'm going to get my answers elsewhere.

Thanks, and goodbye.

PS: I hope moderators of this forum will do more to prevent these kinds of issues, as it really does destroy the forum (and I'm not just talking about this thread).
Ironside 47 | 9,628
10 Apr 2012  #17
Thanks, and goodbye.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I'm the real Pole and I consider your question stupid.
Would you kindly rephrase your question in a way that would make sense?
peterweg 36 | 2,316
10 Apr 2012  #18
PS: I hope moderators of this forum will do more to prevent these kinds of issues, as it really does destroy the forum (and I'm not just talking about this thread).

I think you (and a lot of other posters apparently) are mixing up this forum with Stormfront. This is a English language forum about Poland, not racial discussion forum.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,664
10 Apr 2012  #19
. I've heard British people don't like Polish.
Clip here of British not liking Polish:

oh please, that clip of one ill woman being used to stir up racial hatred?
Get a life.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
10 Apr 2012  #20
'Woman on a tram' to spend Christmas behind bars 'for her own protection' after court views video of alleged racist rant

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070647/Racist-woman-tram-spend-Christmas-bars-protection.html
pawian 157 | 9,150
10 Apr 2012  #21
Trevek 26 | 1,702
10 Apr 2012  #22
if the British hadn't handed Poland to the Russians on a golden plate & allowed Polish living standards to remain the same for 50 years

With the agreement and help of the US in making the decision.

I've heard British people don't like Polish.

Well, a British friend of mine who has lived about 20 years in Poland and teaches at the local university (and took his doctorate in Poland) recently had to suffer a door-to-door salesman shouting "Polska dla polaków" in his face because he refused to buy a new door. Are we to assume all Poles are the same?
jon357 63 | 14,123
10 Apr 2012  #23
if the British hadn't handed Poland to the Russians on a golden plate

I'd go further than that and say that the decision was a joint one between the USA and the USSR - Britain had little or no say in the matter.

& allowed Polish living standards to remain the same for 50 years

Polish living standards were pretty dreadful even before the war and improved considerably under the PRL.

Well, a British friend of mine who has lived about 20 years in Poland and teaches at the local university (and took his doctorate in Poland) recently had to suffer a door-to-door salesman shouting "Polska dla polaków" in his face because he refused to buy a new door.

Pretty well a normal Poland story.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,860
10 Apr 2012  #24
Well, a British friend of mine who has lived about 20 years in Poland and teaches at the local university (and took his doctorate in Poland) recently had to suffer a door-to-door salesman shouting "Polska dla polaków"

He is in the wrong job. Make him president.
Trevek 26 | 1,702
10 Apr 2012  #25
Who, my friend or the salesman?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Apr 2012  #26
Polish living standards were pretty dreadful even before the war and improved considerably under the PRL.

With the amount of commie bullshits you are spreading here, I'm surprised there are still a few people treating you seriously.
Barney 14 | 1,469
10 Apr 2012  #27
Small problem....................he happens to be correct.
Hipis - | 227
10 Apr 2012  #28
Well... that's not what I heard, and a WW2 documentary that interviewed Polish soldiers said otherwise.

It is not complete bollocks. After the war the British government did everything it possibly could to persuade Poles to return back to Poland but with the Communists murdering senior members of the AK and also leading figures from the Polish government-in-exile people were reluctant to go back. Many did go back and many of them were arrested, persecuted and intimidated by the Communists that they left again. Those who stayed in Britain ended up being forced to live in "displaced persons camps" many of which used to be prisoner-of-war camps; the Poles who used to guard the prisoners became the inmates themselves. Eventually, after the passing of the Polish Resettlement Act of 1947 over 200,000 settled in the UK but in the next few years 50-70,000 left the UK for Canada, Australia and the USA.

Even though there was a labour shortage and virtually full employment in the years following the end of WW2, British trade unions objected to employers taking on Polish workers with the TUC being at the forefront of an anti Polish campaign, many Poles would face daily abuse in the workplace and there was prejudice displayed towards Poles when seeking housing with signs in windows saying "No Irish, blacks or Poles" not uncommon.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Apr 2012  #29
Small problem....................he happens to be correct.

Partially, literally and totally out of context.
Ironside 47 | 9,628
10 Apr 2012  #30
Small problem....................he happens to be correct.

No he is not correct and the fact is that jon repeats commie propaganda, probably without even knowing that he is doing it.


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