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hubabuba   
8 Apr 2011
News / Poland gets a little bigger:) [82]

No, Poland took land (or tried to) in each of its invasions of Czechoslovakia in 1918, 1919, 1938 (with the Nazis) and 1968 (with the commies). Care to list the Czech invasions?

care to read some history book?why are You taking a voice on a forum about a topic You clearly haqve no idea about?i just dont get this kind of people
hubabuba   
15 Apr 2011
News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]

well, it is not Poland responsibility to host refugees, but it doesnt really hurt to help some people...
As for the whole conflict, Libia is this "clan country" and it is hard to figure out what would be the outcome of the war but do you really think civilians should be left alone to be killed?maybe it isnt NATO responsibility but it is a right thing to do
hubabuba   
16 Apr 2011
News / Poland ready to receive Libyan refugees [159]

might happen, but I still stand by my statement
besides NATO and especially USA would just look ridiculous if didnt take any action, after so much talking about freedom democracy etc
hubabuba   
17 Apr 2011
News / Poland's Lost Generation [172]

why would we want to change anything? I "tried" the west- didnt like it. We just need better economy, and it is growing so hurray!!!
hubabuba   
17 Apr 2011
Po polsku / Sprawiedliwy z Gniewczyny [94]

drogi Torq!
zgadzam się, że niechętnie się mówi o ciemnej stronie naszej historii, ale tak samo niechętnie o historii Żydów na kresach. Nasze stosunki są bardzo skomplikowane( jak to bywa z sąsiadami) natomiast przez cały świat widziane są dość jednoznacznie i stąd pewnie niechęć pewnych środowisk do biczowania się skoro zachód tak doskonale wykonuje tę funkcje. Racz też zauważyć, że więcej książek powstało o tym co Polacy robili, niż o zachowaniu Żydów zarówno na kresach w czasie II WŚ jak i wojny Pl-Bol, Pl-Lt czy Pl-Ukr. Najproawdpodobniej dlatego, że próba odgrzebania tych wydarzeń okrzyknięta byłaby antysemityzmem. Dlatego, że trudno zmierzyć się z problemem uczciwie wiele osób woli o nim zapomnieć
hubabuba   
24 Apr 2011
History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]

It was Lithuania and now Lithuanians may claim Warsaw, Ironside included in the package :)

You dont know the history my dear,
it was Lithuania by name and name only
hubabuba   
24 Apr 2011
News / Poland's Lost Generation [172]

because it will spectacularily tumble down into the place Greece is at the moment???
if the economy is growing why the tax revenues are falling?

well going with this logic England or
France etc can tumble down into the Greeces place too,yes everything can happen but it doesnt seem likely,
and I was rather thinking about the lifestyle and culture of the "West"[that I didnt like] rather than the economy
hubabuba   
27 Apr 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]

The peasants: Polish, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Belorussian speaking were only "Ludzie Tutejsze" (local people). They did not belong to any "nation"

how will You explain the Kosciuszko uprising? "ludzie tutejsze"is a term used by Belarusian peasants just after the war, when the borders were changing
hubabuba   
27 Apr 2011
History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]

Some Poles are Murderers of Jews.

and some Jews are murderers of Poles...

Sokrates who exactly(by name if You may) do You mean? I myself think it is much to much exaggerated by some nationalists
hubabuba   
27 Apr 2011
History / Poland paid off American Jewry in 1960 [162]

yeah Schetyna(probably), Boni, Rotfeld, on the local level Bielecki(my choice for the President of Warsaw:})-well that is not much
there are some matters that make me mad- like double paying for some properties(Talmud academy in Lublin etc), but the whole thing is often iether blown out of proportion or swept under the carpet, I hope that there will be a day when we can just be honest and open about it
hubabuba   
30 Apr 2011
History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]

I know Poland pretty well, and the difference between the traditional Polish lands and the so called "recovered territories" is striking.

would You care to explain what You mean by striking difference?as far as I am concerned the recovered territories were badly damaged, is this what You mean?

And You really dont understand the destruction in 70s and 80s?-well 3 words:money. money, money
hubabuba   
1 May 2011
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Neither. Why should I hate them? Because of history? Then the Czechs should really hate Poles.

or Poles should hate Czechs. Learn history people!!!!!
I am not fond of Germans because of history, because we still suffer from what happened in 39 , because they did nothing to make amends, because the goods they have stolen from are still in their hands also the culture the sense of humour I could go on and on
hubabuba   
2 May 2011
History / Whom do the people in Poland hate more: Germans or Russians? [869]

Seanus
The leaders were elected(decision of majority of the population), before getting elected they had no power so the brainwashing would be a hard thing to do. Look at the situation after the war, they were well informed about all the crimes commited but still quietly stood by Hitler &co( son of Hans Frank has perfectly described it in a documentary)ex SS getting elected, or released from prison as soon as the international opinion was not interested anymore.

Today Wrocław is the name of former Breslau, but so is Lviv of former Lwów, and the latter survived the war almost undemaged, I take Lwów( Unesco site:))) every time over Wrocław, thank You

Lenka
I am not sure what You mean, is it about a Prague and Warsaw Pact??
hubabuba   
3 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Why didnt Ukraine follow Poland and the rest of the ex-communist countries after the fall of the Iron Curtain‎?

I think it is not advisable to compare Poland to Ukraine because no matter how it looked Poland was Poland with its own "elites", while Ukraine was just a part of USSR, it was much harder for them to transform. Besides dont You see a pattern? the same happens with Belarus, they just cant decide what side to be on. Young countries-they will manage to sort it out sooner or later

Ukraine was occupied by Russia and Poland since 1667. Revolts of 1648-54 and 1768 were brutaly suppressed by the two. When finally the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empire collapsed and Ukraine declared its independance Polish and Russian armies again ravaged the country and tore it apart: Poland occupied its western part, Russia - eastern. Both made sure the word "Ukrainian" and "education" or "political activity" don't mix together. Poland closed Ukrainian schools, burnt Churches, openned concentration camp for Ukrainian nationalists. The Russians under Stalin murdered 6 million Ukrainians by Holodomor and executed thousands during forced collectivization in 1928-1931. Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers).

Ukraine was occupied by Russia and Poland since 1667. Revolts of 1648-54 and 1768 were brutaly suppressed by the two. When finally the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empire collapsed and Ukraine declared its independance Polish and Russian armies again ravaged the country and tore it apart: Poland occupied its western part, Russia - eastern. Both made sure the word "Ukrainian" and "education" or "political activity" don't mix together. Poland closed Ukrainian schools, burnt Churches, openned concentration camp for Ukrainian nationalists. The Russians under Stalin murdered 6 million Ukrainians by Holodomor and executed thousands during forced collectivization in 1928-1931. Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers).

Came the WWII. Ukraine lost 7.5 million people (3 million soldiers). The rest one can say both Poland and Ukraine followed the same path,

Your history teacher should be ashamed of himself!!
hubabuba   
4 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Good point, Harry. More mouth than courage.

Nathan, looking at Your recent history You shouldnt really talk about courage,
btw, I read that genetically West Ukraine has very simlar DNA to Polish one:] wouldnt it be better to come back to old ways of slavic multiculturalism??some union maybe:]]]]
hubabuba   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Poland did try to polonize Ukrainians but just for few years before outbreak of WWII, FEW YEARS!!!!!You talk about insurections which is nonsense, Cossacks did not fight against Poland but against magnats(even Chmielnicki called RP a mother), there was no plans for independent Ukraine

And Germany should regain ziemie odzyskane?

whatever, We lost more on the east than we gain on the West, and how many times does it have to be repeated that Germans started the war??loosing territory is normal if You lose the war
hubabuba   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

Unless you are an ally of Poland, in which case you may find that your entire country has disappeared at the end of the war, your soldiers are now in Polish detention centres.

it is unfortunate, and I always believed that Poland should apologised for that( as opposed to Vistula action), the thing is Ukraine was useless, they didnt manage to do anything, and Piłsudski who signed the treaty was removed from power just after the war, Dmowskis conception of Poland and allies was totally different. As far as I know Piłsudski did apologise to Petluras soldiers, but he was just unable to do anything else. I agree with You on that- a bug shame.

And could you perhaps remind me what happened to the disputed territory which Poland lost the last time it lost a war? Didn't Poland sign international agreements accepting the new borders and then invade that land at the first opportunity?

what are You talking about?

yes there was - Cossacks even resolved to be independant of Rzeczpospolita under the auspices of Turkey -

i didnt really hear about such cooperation with Turkey, but I dont dismiss it, can You give some more details, links maybe?
It was not Pl vs Ukr, it was more of a class conflict than anything else. The magnats were ethnically Ruthenians, and many people on Ukr side were Polish szlachta,

Oh, and you may wish to note that the revised borders of Poland were both supported by the Polish prime minister in exile and agreed to by the government of Poland after the war.

now, i know that You are just joking here :]

Poland might have had these eastern territories for centuries prior to World War 2.

I agree, well almost:]exceptions would be Lwów and Grodno, It just saddens me because there is not much of Poland in Poland now, I mean the architecture,
hubabuba   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

One such great example was the demand that professors at the L'viv university had to swear an oath of allegiance to Poland - which understandably upset the Ukrainian professors.

and how many of Ukr professors were there?do You have any knowledge about that times?in the theatre before,
the movie was played the anthem was sung, it was very, very nationalistic times, not only in Poland

Wilno Voivodship in 1931 had a population of 1,276,000 and (according to the Polish government) was 59.7% Polish

if percentage of Poles was bigger how is this possible, that there were more Czechs or Lithuanians?You make no sensebtw in Wilno the city-percenatge of Lithuanians was 2 %

so many Poles criticise Britain for not doing enough to help Poland.

didi it do anything?

at that time Poland insisted that it was an independent state.

I am asking again are You kidding?is that what they teach You at school?

Poland was fighting Ukr and Soviets and Lithuanians and Czechs in that TIMES, Czechoslovakia did invade some Silesians towns to incorporate them(they didnt manage), Poland was forced to agree with annexation of Zaolzie, in returns Czechoslovakia was supposed to let the transports of help(soldiers, amunition, weapon)pass through their territory to Poland during Pl-Bolshevik war-guess what?they didnt
hubabuba   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

I can play the numbers game too...

Rofl...poor Poland...always the hapless victim....

how is that constructive/bringing numbers??oh sorry then You throw Silesia out of the blue

Very much like Stettin.

no point in talking with You, You are simply biased

Still you love me! :)

did I miss sth between You two?

Where you whine about one Lwow, you got many of great towns and villages from the Germans

Lwow and Warsaw (to lesser extent Krakow) had always been the most important cities for Poland, and Warsaw is not Warsaw anymore, Lwow is outside of Poland, we are left wtih little Krakow, this is why there is so much whining about Lwow.And it is not only about Lwow, there are many towns left on the East, and I prefer them to the claimed German ones. There is so little of Polish architecture in Poland...
hubabuba   
5 May 2011
News / Poland A and Ukraine B. Compare how far Poland has advanced. [282]

You brought numbers to show the claim Poland has on lost eastern territories...I did the same with the gained western territories.
Of course, where your math was met with widespread approval, my numbers were not...surprise, surprise!

i wouldnt call it widespread approval, You brought Silesia and the case for me doesnt look as it does to You- so the next arguments starts, now over Silesia, this way we will never get anywher

Krakow is nice too, be happy about that!

To go to war about cities and lands was what brought so much catastrophes to our peoples. It's no use....

I am not talking about a war, neither I think it will happen, nor I want it. I am just very sentimental, and architecture is my hobby so every time i am in Lwow it gives me a real heartache, and that is it. Besides Poles should not forget about it and let history to be rewritten
hubabuba   
10 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

wildrover
they had returned the favour many times already, before 1939. Besides Poland fought one on one not 2 or 3 against 1
hubabuba   
11 May 2011
Life / Did you see John Porter on Kuba Wojewódski [5]

wojewodzki is such an idiot, I honestly cant stand him

the present situation (you either with us or against us) is becoming a bit frustrating

I do agree with that, ever idiot with some private university degree who is aspiring to be intellectual is of course liberal(not even knowing what that means) and is bashing the catolicism, Kaczyński, traditions, country etc because believes it makes him/her cool and smart. I am an atheist myself, also not a fan of Kaczyński but this trend really pisses me off. There is no real converstions, no arguments, just tell some stupid unfunnu joke about Kaczyński and You are a new member of "salon".
hubabuba   
11 May 2011
History / Why did Russia attack Poland in WW2? [178]

If you have one thousand soldiers in a defended position , it requires at least three thousand soldiers to stand a good chance of defeating them , so three against one is the ideal military situation..

Poland wasnt very prepared and is flat so what defend positions?most of the times it was open battles.
It was more of a 5-6 to 1