News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


No, you can't. In USA there are defamation laws and if you will express slanderous opinion and someone will take offence you will have to suffer consequences.

hg.org/defamation.html


Thank God, "only as far as you can tell". Rymkiewicz wasn't just saying that GW staff hate something (like this something was spinach). He clearly said that best selling Polish newspaper hates Poles, Poland and Christians. Such word have weight and can be possibly damaging to newspaper, if they will not react to that.


So if "cranky old man's opinion" should not be persecuted, then please write the age from which the law in Poland shold not aply to citizens. 60? 70? After that limit age they can say and do whatever they want I presume?

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


Slander a common knowledge among Poles?
Definetly not as court ruling proves.


Only the good ones...


That we have rule of law in Poland.
That law applies to everybody irrespective of age, occupation...

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


The only thing that fails here is your logic.


Freedom does not mean anarchy.
Freedom of speech like every other freedom has its limits. Everyone in Poland is entitled to exercise their freedom, as long as they do not undermine the rights and freedoms of others.Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to purposefuly lie and offend anyone, to violate someone's dignity. One can not use the freedom of speech law, when he is lying, slandering, saying something that violates someone's personal rights.

The dignity of every human is also protected by Polish law. Therefore I praise the court for ruling against Rymkiewicz and for having the courage to speak the obvious (at least obvious for some on PF).




Your comments show that state and law doesn't mean much to you, unless they are on your side. You are demonstarting complete contempt for the law, the principles and values that are foundations of Poland. This posts are written by a supporter of PiS, a party of declared state worshippers. I don't think that Poland needs such love ;/


No it wasn't taken out of context. If anybody is bored enough to read all your posts on that thread then here you can do it:

polishforums.com/news-politics-4/poland-fines-singer-bashing-bible-56606/

As I said, if the law is not on your side, then it is a bad law, isn't Ironside?




It is amusing that you decided to defend Rymkiewicz The Hypocrite. I guess you founded common ground....

Rymkiewicz asked by Piotr Rogowski (Agora attorney) "Can you judge people by the views of parents?", Rymkiewicz said that "you can draw conclusions as to their education". When asked by a lawyer, whether in the Stalinist years he was in the Union of Polish Youth (Związek Młodzieży Polskiej), Rymkiewicz confirmed. "The point is not what I did at age 15" - he added. "And why do you think that the essence of the case are the views of parents, editors of "GW"? - asked Rogowski.

"Michnik criticized Luxemburg for underestimating the independence aspirations of Poles" - said Rogowski. "I do not read Michnik" - Rymkiewicz said. When asked by a lawyer, Rymkiewicz admitted that his parents were in the Communist Party.

Here is link to article (in Polish)

wsieci.rp.pl/opinie/rekiny-i-plotki/Kolejna-odslona-procesu-Gazeta-Wyborcza-Marek-Rymkiewicz-

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


In court proceedings everything is about the facts and proofs.
The proof is an information that have support in reality and the carrier of that information is evidence.
Rymkiewicz was not able to prove that his information have support in reality and he did not procure any evidence.

Btw, how nice of you to use wikipedia, when we talk about Polish law. I see that I'm talking with a true expert, who have knowledge and authority to judge Polish judges ;/


Common sense?


To prove that a certain opinion is slanderous or not is not an easy task, you need to procure evidence. (remember? evidence? facts? reality?)


Ups... busted
and here is evidence:

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


I wanted to remaind you about this basic law, because your every post show that you never heard of it.
Perhaps you have some sensational facts about GW being


. Why don't you present them here andprove that Rymkiewicz was right.
Please, remember to use facts. You clearly have problems in that department.

If you want to talk about legal matters then allow me to enlighten you.
In civil proceedings plaintiff and defendant have the initiative in presenting the claims and allegations and evidence in support of thereof. The role of the court is only to settle the dispute. That means that GW gave judges sufficient evidence to counter Rymkiewicz slander and that also means that Rymkiewicz was just expressing his slanderous views without any evidence to support them.


However, court can prove that some opinions are slanderous.

Po polsku / Cinkciarz - nastolatek nie znal tego slowa [14]


Raczej cincz many, cincz many .... :D

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]


In Polish law, as in any other modern democratic law, there is the presumption of innocence. One is concidered innocent until proven guilty.
The editors don't have to prove anything, not to judges and definetly not to you.

Genealogy / Ignaz Sledziewski info? [10]

Here is map where you can see where Śledziewscy live in Poland.
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/%25C5%259Bledziewski.html

I found here that in Tarnów (city) live about 5 people with that surname.

History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]

Aside from nonsence you are spewing here it is great that you decided to answer Harry, when he got suspended. Bravo! That, aside from nonsence, shows what kind of partner in conversation and person you are.

Genealogy / Genealogy-Bryski(Polish)~Pelc(Austria) [7]

Here is an adress to site which shows how many people with Bryska surname lives in Poland.
moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/bryska.html

Polish surnames have gender and are conjugated. Bryska is female surname (-ska ending), Bryski is male(-ski ending).

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

Ukpolska I know it's wrong. I even stated that in later post. Why cherry-pick a quote that was more about responding to attack of some other poster (now edited)?

...and yes gumishu it can be sometimes confusing when I try to translate from my "Polish thoughts" into "English post" ;)

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

I know that my second post was oversimplified. Biofuels are not made solely from jatropha.
In the first post I stated that today most of biofuels used in cars are made from jatropha and that it have dreadful consequences.


jatropha translates into seeds. To produce biofuel they are using jatropha oil, not wood.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


If you really could use search engine you would be able to find out that biofuels are not made from wood but jatropha.
I am guessing that educated and filled with facts posts make you uncomfortable, but that is your problem and you have to deal with it by yourself.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

Biofuel that is mostly used in cars and in power plants (maybe in future) is not made from wood but jatropha. It grows easily in arid zones ill adapted to agriculture. However jatropha requires more irrigation than it was previously forecasted and plantations often replace forest lands.

The demand for biofuels is spurred by EU. Since 2011 petrol stations the EU have to increase the percentage of fuels with low carbon dioxide emissions.The goal is to reach 10% by 2020. The trick is: Europe does not have sufficient arable land to produce the required amount of biofuels. Because of that EU countries are buying large areas of land in Africa (currently 4 million hectars). In total 19 millions hectars in Africa is occupied by biofuels plantations.

At the global level, replacing food crops with jatropha contributed to the rise in food prices in 2007 and 2008. That coused in many countries famine. About 2 months ago there was a radio BBC4 documentary about the consecuences of biofuel plantations in South America. In many instances tropical forests were cut down to make place for jatropha. Local communities were suffering because of lack of land for their crops. The same thing is happening right now in Africa.

I think that biofuels maybe are somehow eco friendly, but definitely they are not human friendly.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


EU treaties provide that member states are independent in shaping their energy balance. EU should remember about it's own laws.


Poland already curbed more than 20% carbon dioxide emissions (20% is a level set for EU countries from 1990 by 2020). That goal was partly acheived by replacing communist-era power plants with more modern ones, though also fuelled with coal.

This plan is contradicting EU strategy to completely eliminate coal as the heaviest carbon dioxide emitter. Coal energy is to be costlier than gas or wind energy - thats the basic meaning of EU climate policy. So what gumishu wrote here is true:

My electric bills are already much higher since January 2012. Pantsless I don't know where you live, but it's probably not Poland. Your comment about gumishu's post shows that you clearly have no idea about effects of rising energy cost on Polish industry and ordinary people here.

"Pure coal" technologies, such as storing CO2 underground, will never be implemented, because it costs too much. At this point you can see enormous hypocrisy of EU. They only talk about pure technologies but in reality they introduce gas or nuclear power plants. It's probably not a coincidence that several countries that loudly bemoan Polish veto are countries that specialise in technologies they want to introduce in Poland. France with it's nuclear industry; Denmark and Gemany with their wind generators. West is already a saturated market for those commodities and they need to expand.

Moreover climate is a public good (also in economic terms), so it needs to be treated as such. Europe can't protect global climate by itself. In past 2 decades, when Europe cuted coal consumption by about 300 mil. tons per year (at great economic cost), China increased it's use by 2,5 billion tons per year. So whats the point of this?

UK, Ireland / Anyone know a good dating site for Polish men living in the UK? [4]

I just searched for Polish dating sites in UK and found polishhearts.co.uk
I don't know this site and how reliable it is. Maybe somebody on polishforums will have more informations about this site.

Life / Izabela? - Advice with Polish name for a girl [36]

There is really not a big difference between Izabella and Izabela since for most of the time she will be called Iza (at least in Poland).

Life / Izabela? - Advice with Polish name for a girl [36]


Both of these are common in Poland.
Never heard of Isabela or Isabella in Poland.The pronounciation in Polish would seem awkward.

News / FEMI-FASCISTS MARCH AGAIN IN POLAND [126]

Femi-fascist?! Oh please, do you have any idea what word fascist and feminist mean? If you knew you wouldn't lump them together.
Looks like we have our own Rush Limbaugh on polishforums.

Love / Behavioral study says Poland has the lowest sexual dimorphism [17]


Now lets compare your


with the point that researchers stated in their study: "We do not argue that the 2D:4D ratio is important mechanistically or as a display trait in mate choice. Most probably it affords us a window into prenatal hormonal conditions." This is what they are disscussing in the article, not the BS you are trying to attribute to them.


Yes, straight over your head.

News / Why are PO and PiS the most popular political parties in Poland? [15]


hence they were/are centre ;D

Genealogy / Ignaz Sledziewski info? [10]

First of all, you need to give their proper, Polish names:
Ignaz is Polish Ignacy.
Sledziewski can be either Sledziewski or Śledziewski.
Anthony is Antoni
Stanley is probably Stanisław.
It is all I can tell you for now, because information you gave is not enough.
Only name and appx date of birth is not enough. You need to know where he came from (aside Poland;)

Po polsku / Polacy mieszkajacy w Leek, Buxton i okolicach [10]


Sądzę, że mieszkając w Anglii od 6 lat zdążyła nauczyć się języka. Wspaniale, że postanowiłeś/aś skupić się na rodzicu, udzielać mu pseudopsychologicznych porad. Na pewno tego właśnie szukała na polishforums.


I o to chyba właśnie chodzi mamie tego chłopca. Chce żeby potrafił mówić w obu językach najlepiej, jak to możliwe. Zamiast więc kierować powyższe słowa do rodzica, skieruj je do dziecka.

Genealogy / Looking for family in Poland: Włodarski. [13]

In certificate it's written that Wacław Włodarski is a son of Józef and Anna (her maiden surname Stefańska);
religion: roman catholic;
Wacław was born 28.02.1916 in Ugły (Polish name of this colony) or Uhły (Ukrainian name);
parish Ugły;
district (powiat) Kostopol
live in Poland in Skierniewice.
Ugły was a colony (something smaller than village) in Stepań (local administrative district), in Kostopol district, in Wołyń. Before World War II this territory belonged to Poland, but after war Stalin changed Polish borders; he seized east part of Poland and joined it to CCCR. Now Wołyń belongs to Ukraine.

During war the Ukrainian Insurgent Army commited ethnic cleansing of Polish population of Wołyń and East Galicja. There were many Polish casualties in Stepań district, so either your grandfather left Ugły before this or he was forced to do that. Anyway he coudn't go back there.

Here you have a map with Ugły colony.

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/ugly-03.html

Unfortunately most internet sites about Ugły or Stepań are about genocide.
Write if you need more help.

Love / Anglo-bride at left? Polish bride at right? [9]


The customs and traditions in that matter are not strictly followed now.

Love / Anglo-bride at left? Polish bride at right? [9]

There are many possible explanations but I think it has something to do with practical things.
Polish knights and later nobles wore their swords (later sabres) on their's left side. If bride was on that side it would be uncomfortable and possibly dangerous.

I think that later around this practical, common sense behaviour grew symbolism and some superstitions (you can easily find some of them on internet). The right side is generaly considered as "better" than left in Poland.

It was considered (and still is by some) unrespectful to women to walk on their right side. When mesalliance wedding took place woman was on left side, to show that she have lower status and that she will not inherit title or any property of her husand. It was called "ślub z lewej ręki".

Language / 'lubię, lubisz' - Infinitive [86]

Yes, both of them are correct.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I thought that since you are posting here, you can read and write. Maybe I was wrong?
Foreigner4 post is above, you (maybe) can read it and figure by yourself what he was referring to.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Yes I noticed that you posted video, don't worry I didn't omit your valuable input to this thread, so don't sweat.
You probably realize that there is more to Jewish history than this video. I was writing about more general approach of some to Jewish history and narrative they use.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I think that the disscussion above was about difficult Polish-Jewish relations in pre-war and war period. Ofcourse there are two sides to this story.
I do hope that you are not mentioning Holocaust just to evade Foreigner4's valid point about Jewish history narrative.