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nott   
18 Jul 2011
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

However, for the resident Poles, please continue to show and corroborate as Harry also tries to do likewise. He may come across as a troll to you but he asks some decent questions

You're wrong, Seanus. He poses some interesting problems to delve in, but most of their entertaining value is in the way he distorts some less known events. After the riddle is solved, he hides it away and comes up with it again after time, not even trying to rephrase it much. A typical example is 'Kristallnacht was triggered by Poles not allowing Polish Jews in after they were expelled from Germany'. I just spotted it somewhere in quite a recent post. Few people remember that this was proved false, and actually few people even followed the arduous path of disproving Harry, I'd say.

He is a troll. I'd love to discuss some obscure fragments of history, regardless if they are glorious or shameful, but with Harry more than half of effort is about fighting his bizarre accusations of lying and avoiding other obnoxious provocations. The very moment he loses ground under his feet, he starts shouting about Polish lies and Polish liars, then you start documenting your documenting of your own and Harry's utterances, and if you persist and actually grind him to dust in the end, the next day he comes back with 'I won, you liar', and next month he repeats his 'interesting question' as if nothing ever happened.

But you know that, don't you? Or maybe you never had enough patience to follow those banters. Wouldn't blame you.
nott   
18 Jul 2011
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

nott: This is not a 'privilege', Harry. This is a privilege without quotes.
Those are not quote marks, they are inverted commas. They are used because I personally do not consider it a privilege for a town to be judenfrei.

You're free to have opinions. Keep distractions away from the thread, though.

nott: Harry: Your lie is that Jews chose to not live in Warsaw.
Quote me. Nothing has gone to Random yet, and just half a page to search.

With pleasure. Here you say "Yes they did." Either your comment refers to my statement that "No they [Jews] did not [live in segregated towns by choice]."

That's it, yes. Kudos for clarification.

, in which case, as shown above, you are clearly lying.

You are delusional. You've shown not a shred of argument against this claim. Nor anybody else have.

Or it refers to my statement that "for the vast majority of the time that Poland was an independent country until 1918 no Jews lived in Warsaw.", in which case, as shown above, you are lying. Now refreshing to see you lying about being caught lying.

Refreshing with what? Careful, boy. Brains do not regenerate easily.

nott: The claim stays. Most of them did.

Most Jews chose to live in segregates cities? So why did gentile Poles feel the need to ban Jews from living in more than 20 cities?

Jesus fkn christ,,, In order to disable the competition, you... Harry. And it was more than 20. Others did not see the necessity. And even those with privileges did not demand creating ghettos.

nott: A typical for you, murky statement suggesting to an unprepared reader that Jews arrived in Warsaw only as late as 1918. Kindly observe my usage of 'insinuated'.

For more than a hundred years before 1918 Poland was not an independent country. No wonder you only link to my statement and do not quote from it.

Geez, Harry, you're a pain:

No they did not. Or perhap you can explain why for the vast majority of the time that Poland was an independent country until 1918 no Jews lived in Warsaw?

Happy now?

nott: Does it constitute 'name calling'? And unprovoked, to boot, in the context?
It you lie, you must expect people to point out that you are a liar. It's not 'name calling', just a statement of pure fact.

If, good choice of keyword. Keep your hypothetical scenarios to yourself. Or at least make a dedicated thread.
nott   
18 Jul 2011
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

Warsaw did indeed have that 'privilege'.

This is not a 'privilege', Harry. This is a privilege without quotes. This is a specific form of royal edict, a meaning well known to anybody with any knowledge of history.

Your lie is that Jews chose to not live in Warsaw.

Quote me. Nothing has gone to Random yet, and just half a page to search.

nott: not allowing Jews to settle in some Polish towns is not the same as forcing them to live in lagers.

Agreed. However, your original claim was that Jews chose to live in segregated towns.

The claim stays. Most of them did. Can't see any reason to withdraw it, as yet.

And now that I've exposed that as a lie

Next time try and do it in here, Harry, this exposing, in this thread, on PF, so I can see it.

you want to back away from your lie. How original.

Now what do I do now, mod? Yeah, I shut up.

nott: And no, Warsaw was not free of Jewish settlement until 1918, as you graciously insinuated.
Could you perhaps quote the post in which I "graciously insinuated" that?

At your service. A typical for you, murky statement suggesting to an unprepared reader that Jews arrived in Warsaw only as late as 1918. Kindly observe my usage of 'insinuated'. You need a link to a dictionary?

Oh, sorry, I forgot that you can not, because as usual you are simply lying about what I said. Given that you get so upset when people point out that you are a liar, why do you lie so much?

Liar lying lie. Only quoting, mod, only quoting. Does it constitute 'name calling'? And unprovoked, to boot, in the context?
nott   
18 Jul 2011
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

nott: Yes they did. And Warsaw was just one of the cities which obtained royal privilege of not accepting Jewish settlement

Please stop with your lies.

You're on glue, boy? Warsaw did not have de non tolerandis Judeis privilege?

Jews were not allowed to live in the city of Warsaw for the majority of the time that the city was the capital of pre-1918 independent Poland.

And what did I say? Sigismundus granted the privilege in, oh, somebody already found it for me:

But to you the ghettoization of Jews was at the choice of Jews. Interesting.

For me, you moron, not allowing Jews to settle in some Polish towns is not the same as forcing them to live in lagers. And no, Warsaw was not free of Jewish settlement until 1918, as you graciously insinuated.

Less of the name calling please.
nott   
18 Jul 2011
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

czar: they lived in segregated towns by choice
No they did not. Or perhap you can explain why for the vast majority of the time that Poland was an independent country until 1918 no Jews lived in Warsaw?

Yes they did. And Warsaw was just one of the cities which obtained royal privilege of not accepting Jewish settlement, due to Jews being a competition to Christian merchants. Elsewhere Jews lived wherever they chose, and they most often chose to live in close-knit communities, as any other minority with no burning desire to assimilate. Some of those Jewish quarters did obtain similar royal privileges of not accepting Christians. And this, Harry, similarly doesn't mean that Christians were locked in ghettos.

Now what term would describe your mental qualities, as indicated by your kind of logic? You know I'm not a native speaker, please help me out.

lying about Polish history is in no way 'pro-Polish'.

My my, Harry happened to say something actually very true. A flu, or something?
nott   
17 Jul 2011
News / Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster? [344]

Can't come any more??

How can I know? Maybe a couple more. It's not about numbers only, nobody knows them.

So the solution would be to create some filter anyway. And capping just in case.

There are some Asians here. It'd be good to have more in class.

Erm, you suggesting they would raise the level? Nasty one..
nott   
17 Jul 2011
News / Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster? [344]

Ukrainians can't come any more. Others don't actually seem to storm the borders...

Would be nice to see some colour here and there as well. With reservations, as above.

I mean, assimilation doesn't mean to me that they should get baptised in the Holy Catholic Faith and drink themselves stupid after Poland wins a friendly with Cameroon, but, you know, behave yourself. Affiliate. If this is the word. You're a guest so know your place, until you are at home, but this means something.
nott   
17 Jul 2011
News / Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster? [344]

True. Many Poles would do better to resolve their own differences first.

Geez, Seanus. We are human beings just like you. We can live with our differences. I'd risk stating we love them. Nothing like bashing them twats from behind the meadow, come Saturday evening.
nott   
15 Jul 2011
Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [127]

Dlaczego nie możemy pamiętać tych ludzi raz w roku? Tylko jeden raz w roku??

Sky, Polska straciła, jak mówią, 6 milionów ludzi. 6 mln podzielone przez 365 (raz na cztery lata dzień wolny od żałoby) daje około 16,5 tysiąca trupów do wspominania dziennie. To podzielone przez 350 ofiar Jedwabnego (górne oszacowanie) daje 46,966 itd., czyli stronniczość rzędu 4600%. Ci ludzie byliby żałowani 47 razy bardziej niż inni polscy obywatele. Widzisz jakiś nierasistowski powód ku temu?

Mój dziadek nienawidzial Żydów, ja byłem malutki a dalej pamietam jego "cholerni Żydzi"

Witaj w klubie. Babcię też miałem, i pamiętam też jej wypowiedzi, analogiczne. I ci ludzie pod koniec wojny ukrywali i żywili żydowską rodzinę przez kilka miesięcy. Za darmo, bo to byli biedni Żydzi. Parę lat po wojnie dostali kartkę z Izraela, ucieszyli się. Drzewka nie mają, i czuliby się zażenowani, gdyby mieli. Widzisz związek z tematem?

A czemu tu tyle o Żydach? Ktoś tu już dał odpowiedź. Bo Żydzi wymordowani w Polsce nie są Polakom obojętni, i dlatego tak łatwo jeden post o Żydach przeradza się w mordobice.
nott   
9 Apr 2011
Life / Is there something like a "Polish culture" or Polish national identity? [49]

Ok, maybe I have to come back here and rearange my topic then.

I might rephrase my answer then:
Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning "to cultivate")[1] is a term that has various meanings.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

The article is coupla scores screens long. What do you mean by culture?
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

nott: Still, it's like tickling the spinal cord...
Gar nichts.

Nathan, QED :) Proved and stamped. They just don't get it, we do live it. We are Slavs, they are not. Language, belief in Slavia, worship of true women. Irrational enough to be immune to reasoning. Unbreakable bond :)
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

O.K., but the essence of ukranian woman I experienced looked a lot more like specimen. ;)

That's what Germans get...
:)

She's a politician and not intersting at all.

I spent quite a while browsing those google photos... she's got that something... slightly irritating, as I know it's just a simple manipulation, and that stereotype, you know... Still, it's like tickling the spinal cord...
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

She's neither hot nor EXTRA. No specimen in that particular way. :)

She's a 'typical' Ukrainian, the essence of a Ukrainian woman. From what I know you are a German, so you won't be able to get it.

Simple PR, obviously, but I bet it works wonders.

Nathan, there's another Slavic thing, I forgot: worship of Slavic women. Oh, to be strict, I don't know about Southern Slavs.

Nope.

Good man :)

but the nose, cheeks and look

No, the cheeks... the look is... damn you, Nathan. The look is. I am not a poet. Not currently. Ok, you scored a point, happy? Damn bloody Ukrainians...
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Show some REAL specimen if you understand what that term means. :)

Geez, you made me use my dictionary....

An individual, item, or part representative of a class, genus, or whole

Now tell me she is not a representative. She a fkn Prime Minister! :)

And don't mix Polish politics into it, oh-key?
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

She is Ukrainian through and through. Typical delicateness of a Ukrainian woman face. Unrepeatable. Deep eyes... and perfect lips.

Fk sake, stop it! Got some clear thinking to do...

Right. Thing is, she looks more like Italian on the first pic, innit? :)

we definitely buried more than brought to this world together, historically

disputable. Highly.

Still, I am trying to capture what might be the uniting element for the Slavs, because I feel that there is.

Sure there is. Common belief that we have something in common :)

And I am being quite serious now, actually. Identity is just that. Except for that, and the languages, obviously, I can't see anything much. Common origin. Mostly, possibly. So what, it was 15 hundred years ago.

What's with that rope on her head?

Huh? This is traditional. A long plait pinned up in a form of a halo. Ancient apotropaic magic, to ward off idiots.
nott   
6 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Poles are more blonde on average and have less rounded lids' openning for eyes.

Hm... you mean this specimen:

Yulia

would be rather Ukrainian, and this one:

Yulia

rather Polish...?
:)

Well, seems the closer we are, the more differences we see inside the nation. Slightly aside, and some more or less vague generalisation emerges.

Generally speaking it can't be an insult to call somebody a non-Slav. Though when deliberately calling a Slav not a Slav could be that.

But you just assume that Russians are Slavs by definition. Now what the definition is, except 'speaking a Slavic language'?

Not earlier than you prove me that the Poles are Slavs.

I started thinking about it right after posting, and no, I'd rather not. Can you think about a set of a handful of features that fit both a Russian and a Czech, a Pole and a Macedonian?

I suspect I know why Nathan doesn't think Russians are Slavs, but come on. Czechs are half German, Slovaks are half Hungarian, Bulgarians are half Turkish. Different history, different cultures, different religions, different mentalities.
nott   
5 Apr 2011
Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [52]

how often you chat about your love life to a bunch of elderly married couples?

I don't visit other countries to chat about my love life.

Either you're being disingenuous or just stupid. From your previous form, probably both.

Seems I am getting my answer, although indirectly. Obliged.
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [52]

nott: Either it is just about sex,
Or perhaps love.

Or love...

nott: gays are really somehow different from the straights

And football fans might want to chat about different topics to golfers. Of course they can talk about football with them, but don't you think it would be a bit tiring having to continuously explain the offside rule?

So what would be those topics, excluding sex/love, that women and straight men do not comprehend?
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [52]

Why do you think they aren't or assume he doesn't have straight friends already?

Doesn't really matter, does it? What he's looking for, are gay friends and acquaintances. Imagine I wrote the OP:

I am a frequent visitor to the UK. I would like to know if there are any online forums where I can be in touch with fckable women in the UK. I love making new friends and acquaintances, and I thought people on this board would know of some sites.

Why I transcripted 'gays' as 'fckable women', whadya think?

There's a deeper question in it, jonni. Either it is just about sex, or gays are really somehow different from the straights, so a gay man needs that continuous contact with them.
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [52]

read: bserchuk: be in touch with other gay men in Poland.

That's what I read. What's that in being gay that straight people are not considered potential friends nor acquaintances?
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

They inherited the concept of the Byzantine Empire.

They used the concept, as 'opium for the masses'.

Byzantium was an offspring of Roman Empire, crated by Romans. A this time most Slavs were happy heathens, fighting their tribal wars in natural accordance with the Nature and the Slavic spirit. Thus the borders were fluid...
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Love / Connecting with GAY MEN IN POLAND [52]

forums where I can be in touch with other gay men in Poland. I love making new friends and acquaintances

Provided they are gay...?
nott   
4 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

Slavs the only ones who created an Empire worth mentioning.

Not a Slavic thing, empire.

Not that it can insult me or the Russians in general

Now why would you suggest that this could be an insult, calling somebody a non-Slav?

how can anyone in his right mind can take the thread seriously after this statement. :)

It's about a specific group of nations, so discussion about a strict definition of this group is a prudent thing to do, I'd say. Might help us find those elusive Slavic features.

Hm... I am not trying to be provoking this time, but if you could take this accusation seriously and took some effort to prove us that Russians are Slavs like any other Slavic nation, this would help us immensely in this discussion.

nott: Ukrainians are more uniformed, as are Germans, the English, Italians, etc

Interesting. But I think it is not far from what Poland has.

I see it is a myth shared by some/many Poles. But if you just go out in any Polish city, preferably not Kraków or Warszawa, where foreigners could taint your samples, and try to picture an average Pole, you still fail miserably. All colours and shapes, as I said. Especially in summer.
nott   
2 Apr 2011
Off-Topic / Being a Slav: a blessing or a curse? [199]

There was strong sexual selection in Polish females, that's why they are so beautiful. Polish men are damn ugly bastards. This contrast proves that they evolved as a nation.

I don;t fully follow your reasoning here... anyway, Polish women, and men, are of all shapes and colours, in reasonable limits. Ukrainians are more uniformed, as are Germans, the English, Italians, etc.


No such thing as a full Pole. Everybody could dig out some foreign ancestor, and let's not forget that the nation wasn't really formed until somewhere near Renaissance.

We have to carefully extract Slavic genes into alcohol,

Aah, now you talkin... Alcoholic extract, pure essence of the Slavic spirit! Rright! :)

Come to think of it, I vaguely recollect such experiments being done... on numerous occasions even... so you've hit the nail in the head, yes. The common Slavic thing is that deep conviction, based on a long and extensive research, that we truly know what being Slavic means, since we must've seen it so many times with our own eyes! :)

Edit:

They love their ethanol.

That's a very mystic thing, man. A quest to the roots, like. Don't take it lightly
nott   
2 Apr 2011
News / Anti semtism at Polish Congress [57]

Poland would have slid further into dictatorship - probably with the cult of Pilsudski used to put a stop to any dissent.

I don't think so. There was a significant opposition, and even common folk was getting more and more fed up with sanacja. Poles are an unruly nation.