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Bratwurst Boy   
15 Aug 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

You could always call yourself 'frankfurter' then we shall know it is you

But I'm no Frankfurter...I'm a Berliner (and that is no sausage at all) but I fear nobody would take me seriously when I would name myself after that:

Brat is a Berliner!
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Aug 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Ahh! But BB you are just as sweet, if not sweeter than a Berliner! Yummy! *smiles adoringly at Bratski*

*smiles back shyly*
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2008
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]

Any supporting links for that opinion of your's?
Nazi-Germany ridiculed Jews, you don't find sites full with Jewish jokes today...

Neither the Nazis nor the Commies developed the "Polish jokes"!
Bratwurst Boy   
3 Sep 2008
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]

Because they would get their rear ends sued off, careers destroyed and they would have to apologize publicly for years to come.

Yes I knew my argument were kinda silly the moment I typed it..

Well the Nazis were German which negated any joke making abilities.

That leaves only the commies then...
*phew* :)
Bratwurst Boy   
8 Sep 2008
Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]

But then again the origin of the Polish "jokes" came from German Nazi propaganda

Tell me more about it or even better provide some sources for your again repeated opinon!

I don't buy it...I never heard Germans bail over from laughing about polish jokes during the Nazi time, you are actually the first one who seems to be convinced of that!

Also that wouldn't explain the tradition of those jokes wherever the Poles go nearly a century now...
Not everything is Made in Germany!

Let's look what Wiki has to say: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment#.22Polish_jokes.22

First:

...Presumably the first Polish jokes by German DPs (displaced persons) fleeing war-torn Europe were brought to America in the late 1940s. These jokes were fueled by ethnic slurs disseminated by German National Socialist propaganda, which attempted to justify the Nazi murder by presenting Poles as "dreck", dirty, stupid and inferior.[36] It is also possible that some of the earliest American Polack jokes from Germany, were originally told before World War II in disputed border-regions such as Silesia.[37]

Really! So short after the the end of the worlds' bloodiest conflict where the Germans had been the hated enemy the Americans have nothing better to do but to listen to them and to laugh with them cruelly about their brave allies, the Poles???

Highly unlikely!

Then this:

...There's a debate whether these early "Polish jokes" brought to states like Wisconsin by German immigrants were directly related to the wave of American jokes of the early 1960s. Some of the most "provocative critique of previous scholarship on the subject"[38] has been made by British writer Christie Davies in The Mirth of Nations suggesting that "Polish jokes" did not originate in Nazi Germany, but a lot earlier, as an outgrowth of regional jokes rooted in "social class differences reaching back to the nineteenth century." According to Davies, American versions of Polish jokes are an unrelated "purely American phenomenon" and do not express the "historical Old World hatreds of the Germans for the Poles."[39]...

Now that's more like it!
Bratwurst Boy   
12 Sep 2008
History / Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed. [174]

Alsoooo...the german wiki says the following:
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlacht_bei_Tannenberg_(1410)

Konfliktparteien:

Königreich Polen
Großfürstentum Litauen

Deutscher Orden

Befehlshaber:

König Władysław II. Jagiełło
Großfürst von Litauen Vytautas

Hochmeister Ulrich von Jungingen †

Truppenstärke:
bis zu 39.000 Mann (you)

bis zu 27.000 Mann (us)

Bratwurst Boy   
15 Sep 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Great Omnibus Szarlotka!

(ButwhydoIstillthinkyouareagirl???? Szarlotka is so feminin!)

:)
Bratwurst Boy   
22 Sep 2008
Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

Yes, then you Germans invaded Poland. It is funny a German makes this comment.

Yes...and as everybody know Poles and Germans love each other because of their common history, right? Right! :)

Turks and Polish like each other because we have common things in history.

Bratwurst Boy   
26 Sep 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

What does a guy have to do to get a mention in the Omnibus???
I'm prostituting myself here daily...and for what???

*throws helmet on PF floor*

...but nice version anyway Mir! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
13 Oct 2008
Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

YEAH! Go me!

*throws helmet into air*

Thanks Vincent...nice, short and to the point, the week at PF! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

What do you know about Copernicus' family? His upbringing? The languages he used?
Convince me! :)
What do you think makes him polish?
Does "Watzenrode" sound polish to you?

Thus the child of a German family was a subject of the Polish crown.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/copernicus

'nuff said!

...we should just split him in half...:)
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

It IS serious, I agree!

I can't understand how you Poles want to claim him as he was born in German territory (which later changed hands as this happened so often), into a German family, spoke probably never polish in his life (his works are in Latin and germane)...

We could surely share him but this polish claim that he was all-polish, absolutely denying and ignoring his GERMAN HERITAGE p*isses me off!

I'm for sharing! :)

economicexpert.com/a/Copernicus:nationality.htm

One can say summarizing, that Copernicus' working language was Latin, his mother tongue was German, his sovereign was Polish and his father tongue was probably Polish. He is undisputedly a Central-European.

:):):)
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Here are people on this board who consider Klose and Podolski traitors for playing as Germans for the German national football team...I don't think that is helpful! :)

Eastern Germans are Germanic or Slavic or Polish or Lusatian ?

Eastern Germans are Germans...why should they be Slavs???
Lusatians are Slavs...or so I've heard...

By the way, what does it mean ethnic German ?

What does "Slav" mean???
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Kopernikus has definitely German roots and probably polish too...but he wasn't a germanized Pole, he was a GERMAN, grown up with German culture, educated at German schools. That is the background to his later scientific success!

economicexpert.com/a/Copernicus:nationality.htm

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

That his political leanings were against the Teutonic Order doesn't make him Polish!
A political allegiance isn't heritage!

But as I said before, we should officially share him... why won't you?
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

He was born on Polish territory at that time

What an argument! :)

Tell me borders which shifted more over time...Why not claiming Günther Grass or the Red Baron too while you are at it? There are hundreds of popular, important Germans born and living in once German/now Polish territories...

And he isn't "suddenly" German...just read his bio!

Prove that he wrote his work in German?

There are no extant letters written by Copernicus in Polish - those which have survived are all in Latin or German. However, Latin was at the time the international language of scholars and those letters in German might have been addressed to German-speakers and therefore for this specific purpose written in that language. The official languages of the Holy Roman Empire were Latin and German. (The Spanish Habsburg emperor(s) had to sign an agreement, to only use Latin or German in official HRE business.)

Kopernikus himself:

Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

He has never been known as German. Get that through your head. The German arguments are BS- you know it. You believe your BS cuz you're German. Let's get the Brits to settle this. Answer why nobody else sees him as German???

What makes him Polish??? His German mother? His German schooling? His German mother tongue??? WHAT???

Bring some arguments to support your side next please....

When you don't want to listen to ME maybe you will listen to Nicolaus Kopernikus himself:

The Copernicus manuscript book states : [...] Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician...(Nicolai Copernick Canonici Varmiensis, in Borussia Germaniae mathematici)

we need him to feel better about ourselves...
;)

I know that....but facts have to stay facts!
And as I said before I'm all for sharing to help you out...but the only one who are against that and totally ignore the "German" facts and want to claim him for themselves alone are the Poles!

He has never been known as German.

And here you err again..I grew up in school with the teaching that Kopernikus was German and reading first about your claims I didn't know if you just made fun or if you were serious...
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Fili, you are neither neutral nor do you bring any arguments for your side!

A polish way of discussion surely but it won't help you much...neither here on this board nor in the EU! I fear if your PiS arguments like you do (feet stompin, tantrum throwing) the project will stay named "Kopernikus"...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Monitoring_for_Environment_and_Security
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

1. Copernicus was born on Polish land (at the time yes, and the boarders change often, yes, FACT, but it was Polish at the time)

Shortly before it was a longtime German Hansestadt...do you really think that changed overnight???
Remember...no forced expellations of the native population!

3. His father was Polish, and considered himself Polish. Males count more it seems, (patriarchal society) when determining nationality in the centuries past, therefore, Nicholas is Polish.

Evidence please!
You would be the first one actually to bring such, since even the name suggests that also his father was german!

He several times signed as his name Kopperlingk, possibly because his father's family business in the city of Thorn/Torun was copper and therefore the Low German Kopper (High German Kupfer) and the -lingk ending indicated someone who dabbled in copper. It has been the custom of German people to take on the occupations or the town names as last names.

Just read the link again...

Why are you ignoring Kopernikus himself? Would he write that if he was a proud Pole???

Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician

And again...why not sharing him?

One can say summarizing, that Copernicus' working language was Latin, his mother tongue was German, his sovereign was Polish and his father tongue was probably Polish. He is undisputedly a Central-European

POLSKAAAAAA, BIALO CZERWONI, POLSKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, BIALO CZERWONI!

Raus!

I can go...but that won't strengthen your argument nor will it make Kopernikus polish over night, sorry! :)

The Poles are right about being suspicious of Germans trying to have too much control in the E.U. This is what happens.

What happens?
The German led EU using a time machine to make Barbara Watzenrode giving birth to baby Nikolaus just to spite today Poles??? Whoa....that is so mean! :(

You should definitely rise up against that terror regime! Who knows what else those devilish Germans have planned against the poor Poles!
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

2 days, 2 years, before, after, who cares? What counts is that was within Polish boundaries at the time.

Interesting viewpoint...I will remember that for another discussion :)

You don't consider the millions of Poles who lived for centuries in the german Empire/Prussia as Germans just because they were born between german boundaries, don't you???

If he wanted to remain Catholic, and the Teutonic knights were Catholic then why...

Read the link...it was all about politics...

Yawn.. Kopperlingk. So its German. It proves nothing but the fact that his dad dealt with more rich Germans in his business than rich Poles.

Well, his father's name was Kopperlingk (GERMAN), his mother was Barbara Watzenrode (GERMAN)...but son Nikolaus is of polish heritage now because.......???

And she considered herself Polish!

That's great for your grandmom but Kopernikus surely did feel differently or he wouldn't had used this sig in all of his books:

Nicolaus Copernicus Canon [in] Warmia, in Prussia Germaniae mathematician

What remains is the fact that the Germans are attempting to Germanize a man that was obviously a Polish citizen.

What remains is the fact that Kopernikus wasn't a Pole or a germanized Pole but a GERMAN, subject of the polish crown!

And we don't have to change our history books as our children know already that he was German...

German point of view is strange in this part of europe.

Yup...truth hurts!
Bratwurst Boy   
15 Oct 2008
News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]

Fili? You didn't read the link, didn't you? Because there everything is explained....

There was a civil war in Prussia at that time!

Now what kind of PROUD, decent German would do this when a Teutonic victory would have resulted in the greater good for glorious Germany?

How did you fare in history in school Fili?