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Battle of Grunwald 1410 The biggest medieval battle. Germans smashed.


Lukasz Activity: 49 / 1,753
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25 Sep 2007  #1

All the time we write only about dark ages of our history, it is time to change it.

The Battle of Grunwald (or 1st Battle of Tannenberg) took place on July 15, 1410 with the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ranged against the Knights of the Teutonic Order. It was the decisive engagement in the Polish-Lithuanian-Teutonic War (1409-1411) and one of the greatest battles of medieval Europe.

The battle saw the Monastic State of the Teutonic Knights decisively defeated - and the order never recovered its former power.

The few eyewitness accounts are contradictory. It took place near several smaller villages, and different names in various languages are attributed to it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald

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25 Sep 2007  #2

That was a start of the golden years of Poland. It was like winning the most important battle at that times.
ConstantineK Activity: 26 / 1,259
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26 Sep 2007  #3

Suppose that it was slightly less impressive than it is on the Matejko paintings....
OP Lukasz Activity: 49 / 1,753
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26 Sep 2007  #4

Oh I see that It hurts when on the other painting of this artist Russians are shown on knees ...

But the fact is that, it this battle Teutonic Knights (mostly Germans) were beaten ...

The fact is that the situation form other paintings appeared as well. What means Russians were on the knees, and it is historical fact which appear in books. The fact is that only Poles have beaten you, in way you accepted this fact. Your tsar (beging in Cracow for help) converted in to Catholic religion and was our puppet. There was Polish flag on top of Kremlin (moscov) (historical fact) ... read more about your history in XVII century .
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26 Sep 2007  #5

i would love to see this battle in the way they made 300.
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26 Sep 2007  #6

as to size of this battle there is discussion (look into my previous link) which medieval battle was the bigest : Battle of Grunwald or Battle of Towton (English prefere their) but I prefere our ...

i would love to see this battle in the way they made 300.

Intersting ;) I preffere not to see how Americans would show our Tatars ;))))
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26 Sep 2007  #7

id doesnt have to made by Americans. :)
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26 Sep 2007  #8

as to movies about our grate victories, it is more probable that they will make movie about Jan III Sobieski smashing Ottoman Empire ... maybe M Gibson will do it ... but now it is only rumor
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27 Sep 2007  #9

Great battle for freedom

... and yes, it was nice smash

Good work Poles
ConstantineK Activity: 26 / 1,259
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27 Sep 2007  #10

Oh I see that It hurts when on the other painting of this artist Russians are shown on knees ...

Sure Yes! It hurts us, but Russians were beaten for many times, not only from poland, but from tatars, swedes, french, germans, jupanees abd so on. But Roman empire, for example, was not so invincible, as it is described in textbooks.
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27 Sep 2007  #11

My brothers, it always especialy hurts when bother harm/beat brother... from the micro level (from angle of one single family) to the macro level (when we speak about kin people/nations).

What does it matter who is Catholic, who is Protestant or Orthodox, etc. It is even good to us that we can expirience different religious approach thru expiriance of our kin nations.

Togather we can do so much, divided we are easy target

But Roman empire, for example, was not so invincible, as it is described in textbooks.

Tell us more please, about Russian expiriances with Romans. What remembered old chronicles?
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27 Sep 2007  #12

It depends from the fact which Roman Empire do you mean? If it is Western part, than it fell long before Russia, if it is East Roman Empire (Byzantin or Romeion Empire), than Russia had long term relation with it, and may be considered as a true successor of it and therefore of all Roman Empire. This fact was well expressed during 15 cent in wellknown phrase "Moscow is a third Rome, two Romes fell (Rome itself and Constantinopol) but third stands and will stand forever"
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27 Sep 2007  #13

To be precise, I was point on antic Rome, from time when Roman legions appeared on horizon of European (and not only European) natives
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28 Sep 2007  #14

There were no any Russians or another present Europeans nations at that time.
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28 Sep 2007  #15

You would find them under different names, much deeper in past then you can imagine
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28 Sep 2007  #16

Crow, go check this stuff.

polishforums.com/desi_moj_balkanski_brate-10_14044_0.html
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12 Sep 2008  #17

this movie is a classic:

The Battle of Grunwald (with English subtitles)
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part 4 with knights singing the songs before the strike pumps adrenaline into my veins ;)
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12 Sep 2008  #18

want more :

ow yeah i'm so excited i nearly wet myself, this is total rubbish, lol. No offense and i expect the historians have a hard on right now but really, really, you need to talk about the Germans getting 'smashed' you go all the way back to 1410, lol lol lol lol lol, what a joke :):):)
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12 Sep 2008  #19

you need to talk about the Germans getting 'smashed' you go all the way back to 1410,

after the Grunwald we had several wars against Teutonic order in XV century and one in the XVI c ( that lead to the Prussian Homage. Germans call it the greatest disgrace in their history en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Homage and after that until uprisings during the partition of Poland we didn't fight against Germans. So there's nothing to laught at.
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12 Sep 2008  #20

So there's nothing to laught at.

no no no no mate i was not laughing at what happened in that battle, maybe i wasn't clear enough, why are people talking about this?? i mean really come on there is history and then there is hhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssstttttttttttoooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy yyy :)
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12 Sep 2008  #21

lol

Dude, that was a complete twist in history. Insolent bastards who had seen themselves superior to Polish 'peasants' got a huge beating. History of Europe took new turn on that day, and THAT'S a LOL :))
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12 Sep 2008  #22

why are people talking about this??

because it's great part of European history. This year I've read a great book about hundred years' war. it was long long time ago but this era is still fascinating. don't tell me that you don't have a football game you love to call to your mind and still feel the same excitement. some ppl have the same with history.
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12 Sep 2008  #23

Yes, the English once won 5:1 in a friendly against Germany...they like to brag about it even today! :)

Wins against Germans seem to count double, doesn't happen often - feared warriors we are! :)
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12 Sep 2008  #24

Definitely feared, especially by civilians but in this case the army constituted only about 50% Germans, the remainder where Poles, Hungarians, Austrians and so called guests, chiefly French.

Sadly to bash a pro-polish topic, Grunwald was not the biggest battle, not even close, there's battles like Crecy or Agincourt where French tended to field effing huge armies, then there's battles with Saladin and so on and so forth.
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12 Sep 2008  #25

Who cares about the french???
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12 Sep 2008  #26

Do not mock le cheese or face ze wrath of the white flag!
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12 Sep 2008  #27

:):):)

Will try...
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12 Sep 2008  #28

i mean really come on there is history and then there is hhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssstttttttttttoooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy yyy :)

Honestly I've got no idea what are you talking about...
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12 Sep 2008  #29

geez tornado, why are you in such a hurry to p*ss on their parade? Yeah the people of today had nothing to do with what went on then but you gotta admit the face of europe today might well be much worse for modern day Poles had it not been for that victory by their ancestors.
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12 Sep 2008  #30

No not really, Teutonic Order even victorious could not and did not want to do bad stuff to Poland, in fact they wanted Poland to become a prominent element of the order since that'd ensure the Orders status as a great power on a global scale ( i'm talking medieval global scale ).

The order while cruel and pretty nasty was in itself fairly international, a few of the Grand Masters werent even german, they did however had nasty plans for Ruthenia and Lithuania.




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