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From: Poznan
Speaks Polish?: A jużci ! :)

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EchoTheCat   
1 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Seanus: I wouldn't say that Poland had a particularly developed transport network overall

Our train network was the most expanded in Europe, especially in western Poland. Of course now we have PKP and you can forget about this ;)
EchoTheCat   
1 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

nomaderol: Ashkenazi Jews have never been religious really.

I had magisterium about wooden synagogues in Poland and Jewish polychrome paintings and I have to say that Aszkenazi's Jews weren's so open and assimilated as their Sefardians friends from western Europe. In their beliefs and religious life most of them were very traditional. But this is not a conversation for this thread :)

nomaderol: But, poor Poland, it missed this chance by deporting Jews

I agree. It was a mistake. After the war most of Jews which survived didn't want to live here and see the places of executions every day. And the rest of them were deported (or banished) in 68...
EchoTheCat   
1 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

SeanBM: Did Hitler actually kill any Jews himself at all, I mean personally? If he did, did he kill any in Poland?

He never killed anyone. Even during the IWW when he was a soldier.
EchoTheCat   
1 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

vetala: Please, remember that In REAL LIFE there are no extremes like 'bed of roses' or 'hell on earth'.

I don't understand. You think that Aushwitz wasn't a hell on earth for those Jews ? Or maybe Aushwitz wasn't real life ? Just asking.
EchoTheCat   
2 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

nomaderol: They weren't assimilated cause actually they were/are not religious (not Jews really and they aren't semities like Sephardins.) You can't expect a nonreligious to become a Christian or religious. Assimilation in any culture is possible only and only in nonreligious environment in that religions can be considered like hobby only.

Nomaderol ... I didn't talk about assimilated Jews because this is obvious that if you want to be assimilated Jew in country like Poland you can't be an orthodox. Most of assimilated Jews lived in big cities but most of Jews in Poland in that days lived in small cities and villages. And they were far away from assimilation.

nomaderol: aren't semities like Sephardins

"Semites" is an anthropological expression and has nothing to do with religion.
EchoTheCat   
2 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Bratwurst Boy: Oh please!

Yes.... I was waiting for that post from you. It's like bait for the fish. Somebody says "Poles didn't kill the Jews" and BB will always swim up and swallow the bait :P

If you have time and patience you can read about 120 cities and villages where Jews were killed by Poles. You can find it in IPN archives :) We have it in our history books at schools next to the description about the massacre in Jedwabne. So enjoy the lecture :P ;)
EchoTheCat   
2 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Bratwurst Boy: ???

I meant your reaction was very predictable.

Bratwurst Boy: I don't believe the demonization of the german troops anymore either

We don't "demonization" your german troops, we know you will always be Nazis ;) (just kidding, don't bite)
In Polish press and public discussion there's no such thing like "scrambling history wounds" but actually we have problem with your "expellees". So for average Pole Erika Steinbach is far more interesting than Hitler :)
EchoTheCat   
2 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Ironside: The point is that Poles were killed by Jews and nobody seems to care

Where ? When ? By who ? Facts please :)

Ironside: and secondly in how many cases Jews were killed because their were Jews, not for other reasons ?

What are you suggesting ? That Jews in Jedwabne were killed because of other reasons than religion ? In some way yes. Imagine you are one of citizen of Jedwabne. Your neighbor, Jew let say Levi, has a big house and land. So what will happen if you will kill Levi. The answer was: nothing. Because nobody cared about few Jews when million of them were dieing in Auschwitz. It sad but true but Jews in Jedwabne were killed only because of greed.
EchoTheCat   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Help me out here, is it ironic that Jews were dying at Auschwitz at the time of Jedwabne?

No. Ironic was the way I said it...

Help me out here, is it ironic that Jews were dying at Auschwitz at the time of Jedwabne?

No. Ironic was the way I said it...

A great post, sht. I don't like Poland being made out to be the scapegoat when they did their part in their own way. You are citing rational sources, others just lash out through emotion.

Most of Pole like to be a scapegoat.
It's funny because it the same time when this post was made Russian TV showed Andrzej Wajda's "Katyn". So in the same time when Russians admit that massacre in Katyn was Russian fault, most of Poles deny their own murders. Thanks God it's not the opinion of historians.
EchoTheCat   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

I'm not talking about the whole history of Jews in Poland. For centuries (especially in XVII) Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe when the shelter could find not only Jews but Arians, Lutherans or Calvinists. But in 30's the increase of anti-semitism was huge. I have something about 10 yearbooks of popular polish newspapers from 34-39 with jokes about Jews. And believe me, they stink of anti-semitism for a mile. My friend showed me few of anti-semitism leaflets which were distributed on streets in 30's.

You are right that for many centuries Poland was some kind of paradise for Jews but in 30's this paradise was definitely over.
EchoTheCat   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

While there are many examples of Polish support and help for the Jews during World War II and the Holocaust, there are also numerous examples of anti-Semitic incidents, and the Jewish population was certain of the indifference towards their fate from the Christian Poles.

First of all I don't consider Wikipedia as a reliable source because EVERYONE CAN WRITE AN ARTICLE THERE :)
As Vetala said there's a huge difference between not liking people and wishing them to die. Of course there was an examples of helping Jews. But see the difference between generalization and enumerating such examples one by one. Generally in press (which can be treat as authoritative reflection of people's way of thinking) there was a lot of anti-semitism incidents.

In the aftermath of the Deluge and Chmielnicki Uprising, many Jews fled to the less turbulent Netherlands, which had granted the Jews a protective charter in 1619

What it means "many" ? In XVII century Poland was the biggest country in Europe (as historians say from sea to sea - from Baltic Sea to Black Sea) and what you are talking about has happened on Polish eastern borders. So I understand that Jews from east escaped from there but it doesn't mean it was some kind of exodus from Poland :)

On one hand it prides me that my little country

Yep, if all Jews from Poland escaped to Holland, your country would be far far too little ;)
EchoTheCat   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Only if it says what you want to hear, it's reliable, is that right? :)

Noooo. I have no problems with dealing with things which I prefer not to hear :P Of course there are experts on Wiki but usually they sink in the sea of crap ;) That's why I prefer books.

I am sure that many wished they were dead.

I have nothing more to say :) Especially if I have some eggs to paint (I'm not joking...) and I see you are an "essay man" so I agree with everything you say in advance :P
EchoTheCat   
3 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

You mean to say that you don't know? So, what are you doing here playing an expert?

No I don't. That's why ....I asked.... And he didn't answer so he didn't know.

That during the war many people were killed, for many different reasons, its possible that some Jews were killed by Poles,not because they were Jews but because of their deeds, and you can be sure it was pined as anti-Semitic act.

Picking up some single sentences from whole reply it's not good idea when you want to be treated seriously :)
EchoTheCat   
4 Apr 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Is it because it make you look .......not as you would like to present yourself ?:D

Heh yes it is :)))

I. Have. No. Patience. To. Persons. Like. You. Good. Night.
EchoTheCat   
6 Jun 2010
Travel / Public Transportation in Poland [30]

How is this in Poland? Are buses on time, generally? How is the fare calculated? Do you have to pay every time when you have to switch buses on the same trip?

In Poznan (which you called provincial town....agrhhh) we have time tickets. You can buy a ticket for 15/30/60 minutes and 48h ticket. Every ticket is valid in buses and trams and you can change the transport. Simple :)

Tickets are available only in kiosks and in ...eeee... ticket machines (?) so trams and buses are very punctual because the drivers don't have to sell tickets inside.

End of report ;)
EchoTheCat   
6 Jun 2010
Love / Inside polish women's psychology and mind [109]

Women just want to be women

So when I want high sallary, live with no marrage and (God forbid!) no children then I'm a freak. That's the stupidest thing I heard today and it's only 1 p.m....
EchoTheCat   
16 Jul 2010
Travel / VISITING POZNAN, can anyone suggest places to visit including good bars/clubs? [16]

Merged: Short film from Poznan and some questions for you.

For those who have never been in Poznan :



By the way I have some questions for you, foreigners living in Poland: how and where did you find out informations about Poland ? I mean was it website or friends etc. ?

I will be very thankful for answers :)
EchoTheCat   
1 Oct 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

But then...your denial is getting ridiculous as even polish travel agencies advertise with the german heritage of polish towns, offering guided tours... ;)

We call it the tourism of sentiment. Usually it looks like this: To Posen/Danzig/Breslau etc. come german trip. They look at buildings and say :

- Do you remember , Helga our first date ?
- Oh, yes it was the summer of 41'. Hans, it was glorious time ! You gave me a bouquet of little Jewish heads instead of flowers and I gave you a belt made from women's polish hair !
EchoTheCat   
30 Nov 2010
UK, Ireland / The more subtle differences: Ireland/Britain v Poland [310]

I thought there was some overtone in that what he said :)
We should think about the new name for that:
whitecheese-and-vanilla-cake-which-is-not-cheesy-in-the-yellow-way ;)
EchoTheCat   
9 Dec 2010
News / Medvedev in Poland [28]

Please remind me, Bolle, what does rozbiory mean? It has slipped my mind :(

Rozbiór - partition

The situation when your neighbours decide to treat you like their birtday cake and eat you part by part ; )
EchoTheCat   
9 Dec 2010
News / Medvedev in Poland [28]

He came with package of files about Katyń so at least he brought a present ;) The rest of them (46 files from Moscow's archive) we'll get on the occasion of another president's crash ;)

Sorry for the black humor, blame The Monty Python.