History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Switek

Thats what i'm trying to say.

1 out of a 100 Polish people I have spoken to think it was Britain that sold them out.


I was meaning, good for Poland in the long term, short term it was bad while it lasted. Poland is stronger now than if it was not communist. It would be over run with Muslims if it had stayed like the west.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Not all English are the same. Not all polish are the same.

The majority of Poles see that Britain did not sell out Poland to the Russians. Britain was too small to stop the Red Army. Our influence was replaced by the 2 Superpowers.

Soviets and Nazis made a pact to share out Poland again. Nazis broke it and then the Soviets took the whole of Poland.

Anyway

Poland being communist for so long was good for Poland, at least you still have your National Identity and will keep it. Britain is not the same country as 20 years ago, its worse. Poland is now a better country.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


its probably one in four citizens of England are not English. So England is not English?

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


I did not deny that they were in the Battle of Britain, a few did. The vast majority fought for Poland all through the war and up to 1989.

In reality all soldiers fight for their friends and not their country. Sure they join the Army to fight for their country but when the bullets start flying its their mate they fight for.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


You fought to get Poland back as a country. How was London behind the Poles backs when most fought in the Italian Campaign. Monte Cassino was taken at the 3rd attempt by the Polish Army.

You WANT it that Britain is bad so you alter reality to your own reality. Its only your opinion that Poles fought for Britain not a fact.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


I said your statement about Britain leaving you to the Soviets was untrue.
You write so much that is not fact.
Your people fought for Poland, you could only carry on the fight in an un occupied country. How many un occupied countries were there in Europe that were in the fight? Britain did not fight for just Britain, we fought for all decent people in Europe, including Germans, to free them from the Nazi's.

Granted a by product was the Soviets took over Eastern Europe and for them the war finished in 1989.
What should the British have done about Auschwitz? Bombed it and killed more people in the camp than the Nazi's?
Dropping things by parachute is not an exact science, even now things in Afganistan fall to the Taliban.

Like I said, get back to reality. Britain tried to help Poland in 1939 and look at the thanks we get from people like you.

I'm so glad you live in UK so I will never meet you in Poland.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Its what I did, i spend hardly any time in UK because I don't like it. What level do you think it is? If you don't like some where, get out. Simple to me.

Believe Britain hates Poland and were part of the reason you were a Soviet country.

Take my posts out of context and choose not to see my point.

Keep living in your own sweet world where reality does not reach you.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


I am 35. I will await your apology for everything you just wrote. If you feel that strong about how the UK was then leave. You are living in a country you obviously dislike.

Your view of history is particularly 1 sided. The Polish did not go to the victory parade because they said the war was not over as Poland was still occupied so they had nothing to celebrate. (Maybe not all but the ones i spoke with who settled in Derby thought this)

Who helped get Poland back in 1918? Who was nothing to do with your country being partitioned. These are also reasons your country is poor.

Your soldiers did not fight for Britain, they were fighting the Germans how ever they could. If you cant see how small the UK was at the end of the war that is your problem. Who were the 2 superpowers at the end of the war? Where was the British Empire?

Russia and America, The British Empire was gone!!!!

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


I was trying to say Britain was broke, I know what happened to Poland but for you to say


Is not true, we could not sway the Russians or the Americans because we were nothing.

You keep bringing extra things to this thread that are irrelevant.

You stated Britain left you to Stalin, this is not true. That is all I was pointing out to you.


Id like to know what selfish reasons we had. Our RAF was tiny and our army was tiny compared to the Polish Army. The country was not really set up to go to war for selfish reasons was it?

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


America wanted everything back from us but they were our friends. There were people in our government, there still are, who just want money for themselves.

Britain was still on rationing for a few years after the war, we were broke. I for one don't begrudge Poland all the money that we give to you via the EU or the fact there are so many Poles in Britain now. We owe Poland a lot for carrying on the fight after Poland was occupied.

It is not fair to say Britain left you to Stalin. Look at who came out of WW2 with the most.


See above.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


You think I'm deluded? We were allies from before the war. What size Army did Britain have on 3 Sept 1939?

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Read the un biased history books better. Britain were powerless by the end of the war. America wanted Soviet help with Japan so Stalin held all the cards.

We paid America back the money we were given until 2006. By 1945 Britain was broke and not able to defend Poland from Stalin.

If we were not Poland's friends we would not have gone to war with Germany and you would now be part of Germany. WW2 ruined Britain to try and help Poland.


The British are not Americans. Stalin stopped the British from Landing in Russia and the Americans refused to do fighter escort all the way back to England.

My Grandma's first Boyfriend was not Polish and took part in the missions, he died trying to help the People of Poland.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


Funny it was an English historian that wrote some of the books i read that stated this.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


If we stuck to our promise of Poland regaining its original borders we would not have to pay so much to get Poland back on track. Look at how much money Portugal got, how much Holland got.

We tried to make up for our mistakes and it cost us a lot of money. It is no ones fault but the British Politicians. Hmmm... Ive heard that before.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

yes :) I know I have the book in front of me :)

It was the 1945 in the quote that made me write the wrong date I think.

History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]


The Royal Air force flew some missions to Warsaw from Italy to parachute supplies to the Warsaw Uprising in August 1945. Maybe this is what he meant?

My Grandma's first boyfriend is burried in Krakow when his plane was shot down.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


Like I posted in a different thread, concentration camp took on a new meaning after 1942. All these places known as concentration camps before did not mean "Death camp/Extermination camp"

Bergen Belsen was also a concentration camp and not a "death camp/Extermination camp" and this was in Germany.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


I thought this post was


too.

Can I ask who had it far worse than Poles?

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


I have photo's on my Laptop from the museum, they started shooting the prisoners but they fought back. The Nazi's locked the doors and set fire to it, they just let them burn.

I make a distinction between Germans and Nazi's. Not all Germans were Nazi's and not all Nazi's were German.


You can, if you want to concentrate solely on Poles and insult other victims its your choice. I don't think it is fair to insult the Ukranians and Belorussians and the Romany and the disabled.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]

1jola

There is not much left of what was the Ghetto but i will try and find the memorial.

Have you heard of Radogoszcz NAZI prison in Lodz.

muzeumtradycji.pl/page/index.php?str=197

This prison was not for Jews, it shows that the Nazi's wanted to exterminate all the Poles aswell as the Jews.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]

1jola

That helps, i was looking for a map like that :) The statue is just outside the camp and the ghetto 500m to the south.

I will go for a look at it tomorrow.

History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]


This is just outside the old Ghetto boundries.

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]


Just because the post is written in good English it does not mean they are English or British.
You need to read the whole post first before replying.

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]


Not my experience.


I have never had a polish person be rude to me and I have been visiting often for 4 years.

What I hate about Poland is -

1) How hard the language is to speak.

2) How hard it is to understand polish people when they speak.

3) How far away Poland is from where I work.


It was an American who posted

News / Crucifixes to stay in Polish schools [364]

Poland is Christian it should keep Crucifixes in the classroom and teach about the countries main Religion.

I was taught only the Christian religions at school but I learned about the other religions myself because I wanted to.

Multiculturalism is B*!!*ks. Do the Taliban teach Christian religions in school? Does Saudi Arabia teach Christian religions in school?

News / What is wrong with Poland that Poles emigrate? [167]


Have you been to Costa Coffee recently? Nearly every Costa coffee or coffee shop I have been to (airports and Motorway service stations) have a Polish or an Eastern European person working there.

Its a Job most English people won't do. There are Polish people with good jobs in England too but to say the statement is a myth is just wrong.

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My gf's friend has made a film so he can get into Lodz film school. It looks quite good, i have a part as a Gangster's Bodyguard. I get killed after about 5 mins of the film :)

UK, Ireland / Warning to British people visiting Poland!! Don't get drunk and smash the place up! [447]


I have heard these stories and it always seems to be Krakow. Krakow is seen as a stag party city thats cheaper than Prague. I am glad that these English people are not wanted and are banned.

Lets hope they stop going to Krakow and don't just move to the rest of Poland for stag parties.

I have only been drunk once in Poland, and that was at a friends BBQ in his garden. Homemade Vodka was lethal :)

Don't be a lout in Poland and you will have a great holiday in Poland.

Real Estate / Foreigners can now buy houses in Poland [55]


I'm very naive to consider using his services am I? You don't know exactly what I'm looking for or what he is offering.

But... I should take your advice? I have never met you but I should take your advice rather than meet this person myself?

I'm not naive and I will make my own decision about who i speak to.

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]


I have no problem with Public transport in Lodz, they have refurbished most of the tram lines now.

I'd rather travel on Lodz public transport than any UK public transport.

:)