Genealogy / Lesowiaks - who are they? [6]

could be a surname or a place name or a coat of arms or a name of cavalry organised by someone named Lisowski
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisowczycy

History / Wespazjan Kochowski and the Polish messianism [10]

yep - that's the same :)

it's about how we are the 'chosen' ones and how we suffered over centuries like Christ suffered etc :)

Law / Applying for Polish citizenship through marriage. [116]

it's up there on the UK Border AGency website;
if you get married and plan to come to the UK he'd have to apply for a 'family permit'


source: icslegal.com

If he gets one - before coming to the UK - than he'll be able to work.

There's no short way/way around this.

News / Komorowski for complex-ridden Poles? [94]

bolek


you forgot to add - and more paranoid and losing touch with reality, overheating their brains to come up with various conspiracy theories; like the ones printed by the USA Today after the Smolensk tragedy back in April when someone wrote "let's be careful. In Poland there may be a few thousand Russian secret agents. Everywhere."

Can't find the original article on the USA Today website, but it was printed on 15/04 at 11.35 and re-printed by Polish Interia.

Most of them are stuck in the cold war era.


loads of BS! PiS didn't do well at all except for America and Canada. See my links above about the results how they did abroad.

In USA PiS won in Chicago and New York but lost in Washington and LA, for example. Apparently to a lesser number of Polonia there. I'd say to a lesser number of old Polonia. And PO won in Europe, not PiS.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Could also derived from LASKOWY, as in orzech laskowy (hazelnut).

Law / Applying for Polish citizenship through marriage. [116]

that's why my other links from the UKBA site - the most current info on the rules in the UK

there are questions of course where they going to get married - Poland or UK - as different rules will apply but they can read through

ah, and questions was: can you get polish citizenship through marriage outside of Poland?

you can get married abroad but he'd have to live in Poland for 5 years to get citizenship (correct version)

Law / Applying for Polish citizenship through marriage. [116]

yes, 5 - wrong key

Revoke - all's fine but


publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeucom/58/5808.htm


the whole UKBA section re: marriages and family members explains all

ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visitingtheuk/gettingmarried/permissiontomarryinUK/

this one explains in an easy way: all about poland/en/faq/departure/q6

Law / Applying for Polish citizenship through marriage. [116]

when he gets Polish permanent residency after 3 years of being married to you and living in Poland - then he'll be free to be in the UK on the same terms as you

here's info:

Who can obtain EC long-term resident status in Poland?

Foreigner is anyone who does not have Polish citizenship. Settlement permit or residence permit for EC long-term resident shall be granted at the request of foreigner folding on a special form , and accompanied by the relevant documents . The decision on granting a permit to settle or a residence permit for a long-term EC issued by the voivod competent with respect to the intended place of residence of the foreigner . Settlement of the case to grant a permit to settle or residence permit for EC long-term resident should be completed no later than three months from the date of initiation of the proceedings in the appeal proceedings - within two months from the date of receipt of the appeal .

not sure what kind of benefits you have in mind? and why benefits?

News / Komorowski for complex-ridden Poles? [94]

some of them, especially in America
PiS didn't win with PO in Europe in 2007
so it would be safe to conclude that those who are too far away and for too long are radicalised

can't remember and find where I read about the 29% - was reading lots of stuff about the topic over the last few days; PKW website not helpful

about 2007 election in Polish:

if I find where I read about that I'll post

delphiandomine
I had a look at the PKW website and the number I gave (29% of all PiS electorate being in states) doesnt add up; but as I said -when find it , will post.

I am still very much interested in Polish politics and what's going on there, but I decided not to vote in any Polish elections. Been living in the UK more than 10 yrs and voting here as I am interested in here and now. I think I don't have a moral right to vote in Polish elections if I'm honest with myself.

But if it's true, and the case in the States, that 2nd or 3rd generation of 'Poles' who have Polish passports and never lived in Poland vote - that means the Polish voting system is seriously f-ed.

News / Komorowski for complex-ridden Poles? [94]


wonder who said that :)

29% of pro -PiS votes in the last election came from Poles living in America.
Someone's started a 'campaign' recently posting on various Polish forums that their (Poles abroad/Polonia) constitutional right to vote is being deliberately refused by the PO government; how? it was said that if you don't have valid passport (or national ID in the EU area) you can't vote. The person who started all this fuss is from USA and has been living there since 1991 (according to my sources).

Polish passport is valid for 10 years. If someone's been in America for 10 years+ and didn't bother to renew the passport, they shouldn't have any right to vote. Also, I dont believe that any person living in the States/Canada etc for 10+ years will be willing to come back to Poland so why do they think they have right to vote/say what's going on in Poland?

For comparison, if you are a British national you must be registered on an electoral list for max. 15 years prior to election. Over 15 yrs - you lose your right to vote.

In Canada, you cant stay abroad for more than 5 years in one go. If you do, you loose your right to vote. In New Zealand it's 3 years for NZ citizens and 1 year for those who have a permanent residency.

The opinion you quote must come form a Pole who's been staying away way too long ;)

History / Wespazjan Kochowski and the Polish messianism [10]

ok, two sentences

Polish messianism grew strongly in the 19th century and Kochowski lived in 17th century.
Here about him in English - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wespazjan_Kochowski

In the 17th and 18th century Jews had many sects which were based on a charismatic leader they called messiah.
Because of the constant contact with the Jewish culture, or simply because of the deep religiosity of Poles, we seemed to adopted the same model - with regards to the whole nation. The first messianic elements began to appear in the Sarmatism during the Baroque period. Polish nation, supposedly derived from ancient people of the Sarmatians, had to have a special role in world history.

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was to be the bastion of Christianity, place of freedom and asylum in Europe. These ideas expressed Kochowski in psalms (Psalm V, Psalm VII, Psalm IX, XV, Psalm, Psalm XXVI, Psalm xxxvi). What Kochowski and his psalms were about you can read following the link above.

We used to learn at school that 'Polska Mesjaszem Narodow' - meaning - Poland the Messiah of all nations. And that's the idea behind.

USA, Canada / Differences in How Polish People Raise a Child and How Americans Raise a Child [149]


ghee...

sure; so called Pavlov's reaction

Im sure it was part of your biology lessons

sometimes i seriously hate young people

seriously - you didnt discover america

Language / Pronunciation of "lepiej" [13]


becuase there's a difference between lepiej and lepszej
najlepiej and najlepszej

lepiej - better (better to do things this way/you do it better)
lepszej/lepszego -better- meaning - there's no better way than this; there's no better guy/woman than him/her

najlepiej - the best - the best is to choose the best answers from the poll; better leave this problem to...

najlepszej/najlepszego - the best/ all the best/ to the best person ever

Love / Polish girls hard in relationships [156]

and some Poles in the UK become the same until they have bailiffs on their tails
i see one post per week - at least - saying i got into this...i took a phone - didnt understand the contract/ took a loan/credit - whatever

sometimes it's 'im going back to Poland' sometimes not
what can i do to avoid paying?

Polish saying is 'zastaw sie a postaw sie'

pleeeeeeeeeenty

Work / What jobs pay 10,000 zlotych per month? and Where can i find one? :o) [101]

journalism

one of the national papers

plus extra 50-70 thousands for an extra printed material - whatver you wrote over the basic

UK, Ireland / Proof of Address (my Polish gf moving to the UK) [14]

any kind of a bill would be good - council tax the best
if not - gas.electric/phone

all these you can change over the phone - and then change it back to yourself

as long as she says 'im living here now and im paying the bills'
no further explanation needed
once she gets a bill that qualifies as a proof of address (sometimes they want last 3 bills) - you change it back to whatever name

UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

ksysia
i read your initial post and some of the following ones

im surprised but maybe i live in a different reality

personally - and being Polish in the UK - i cant believe it - on one hand

on the other hand - i can
and I put it down to Poles not knowing things - be it culture, not beeing assertive - you name it

for me -not knowing and and lack of knowledge abt the country you live in puts you in a position you may be bullied (seemingly)

some may call it - taking an advantage

be a person - know your value - and rights - that's it

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

true

but my statement still stands - no other letter in Polish language could be placed there.

Just not possible from Polish alphabet point of view. Unless there's some mistake

In terms of orthography- that's the only possibility.

Genealogy / Dziurdziński and Obiedzińska - Archives in Poland to find my origins or last name [8]

try these:

ptg.gda.pl
genealogiapolska.pl
geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php
przodkowie.com

some of them have English version - if not - go to 'kontakt' and im sure you get a reply

good luck

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]


yes - and that's why it was a question mark

all the rest - were

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

Polonius not here

wniary - it's a brand name in Poland (currently)
probably comes from 'wino' - wine
but there used to be a 'fort' called 'winiary'

didn't look for details

Piekarczyk - baker's apprentice - someone who learns the jobs - bakery
other fromns: Piekarski. Piekarz (Baker)

Karczewski -
verb is 'karczowac' - no idea about exact English word but those guys who cut out the forrest (mostly in Canada now - lumberjacks??)
anyway - karczowac means cutting trees in the forrest

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

I havent lost my name:)

Second republic is Pilsusdki

history might be re-written again at one point

seriously - what the commonwealth (so called first republic) has got to do with Pilsduski and second republic (except for a historiacal fact he also wanted Poland to be great?)

between commonwealth and Pilsudski we've had Sobieski, Wisniowiecki before him, and the one who sold us to Catherine - Poniatowski; plus many more idiots

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

stereotypes...
you seem to fit one

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


because of 'f-off' attitude writing their surnames!

edit - you must be American! Only Americans can show that level of ignorance. And some wonder why do Polish hate Americans..

edit 2 - I had a look at your profile - wasn't mistaken. No Brits would type 'currently enjoying the West Coast.
Most of Brits do not know wthat WC is.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


frankly - i think it IS important

because of an American ignorance/laziness - call it whatever you want - on Ellis, for example, many people lost their identities.

so yes, I do think that being freak**ing precise in what and who and when IS important.

Otherwise we may end up like America - not knowing that Goldwyn and Mayer was from Polish Jews families or a woman who - apparently - introduced shimmy was Polish also

so yes - get lost

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

yep

'republic' or a Polish republic is mostly used (and rather incorrectly in terms of history) by the Polish government since Pilsudski.

nothing to do with 'rzeczpospolita' (the very first one)

there was never a 'first republic' and the only thing before that - which they mostly refer to - was a Polish commonwealth (Rzczpospolita Obojga Narodow - something like United Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania)

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

Sophia=Zofia

old version - Zofija

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

lol

the first thing - learn to quote - got lost for a minute
the second - WTF is 'second republic'?!?!
some american term for what? Poland at some state?
bloody ignorants as usual...
and then you are looking for your predecessors not having a blinking idea where to start cos you are ..ignorant! giving your own names to whatever

Ah, you mean II Rzeczpospolita?
do you even know when - and what - was the first one was?
tell you - there never actually was one. there was a commonwealth but not republic.
however, as the story goes, we treat it as the first independent Poland etc etc tec
then we had a **** with partitions etc, then you had Pilsudski and his 'republic' , then you had Walesa and now talks about IV republic - whatever they call it

rzeczpospolita is not actually 'republic';

learn about Polish history and come back to talk about it

if you want to know it was the agreement between Jagiello (king of Lithuania) to marry Jagienka - this is how it became 'rzeczpospolita oboja narodow' (commonwealth) - Poland and Lithuania

Poland should be called a democratic / whatever state
When Rzeczpospolita it wasnt republic at all> It was a kingdom - and didnt have a PM back then like UK has got - for example

any richer knight - if unhappy - could call a rebellion - and one did - in Ukraine - Chmielewski was his name

go, read and learn - and then come back to talk about second republica, republica or other crap

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

there were bad Poles, bad Germans, bad Ukrainians, bad Russians

outnumbered however by good Germans, Poles, Ukraininas and Russians

i know about good Germans - during the war - and bad Russians - during the same war.
As a project work I happened to interview in the late 80. those who lived during the war, and survived, in my city. It wasn't a nice story, but Germans got top marks compare to Russians who were in my town at the end of the war. Russians who were known for violence and rape (interviewed mostly women)

But one thing - you cant blame a nation. Blame a pack, a group, an invidual, Not a nation.

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

Rypy£a then
there's a Polish verb - rypała - maybe it got changed somewhere along the way?

Rypała as a surname in Poland is much more more popular than Rypyła
maybe it's better for you?