UK, Ireland / Question about Irish-Polish similarities [25]


Then you might find Ignacy Aleksander Blumer of some interest, he was a Polish Brigadier General of Irish roots originally his family name was O'Bloomer.

Food / Karmonada anyone? [11]

Everyone did, karmonada to schab.

Food / Karmonada anyone? [11]

Or pork roast served with "pyry" (potatoes), mushroom-pickle sauce or blueberry souse when they are in season of course, often stuffed with sausage.

Niestety, pyrlandzkiego też nie znam.

News / GERMANS WANT TO GERMANIZE KOPERNIK (COPERNICUS)! OUTRAGE! [1016]


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Language / About: w tytę [12]


It means Ryj, Morda, Pysk take your pick.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


How did you come about that theory? If that was the case then logically speaking one should only find this anomaly when we refer to countries not territories but that’s not always the case. We find same phenomenon when we talk about territories take US states for instance, one would say; (mieszkam na Florydzie vs. mieszkam w Kaliforni or mieszkam w Teksasie vs mieszakam na Hawajach) Historically speaking out of all those territories only Texas was a Republic at one time so only in reference to Texas we should see the term “w” every other state should be referred to as “na” but we don’t say (na Illinois but rather “w” Illinois, we don’t say “na Nowym Jorku we say “w” etc.) Now I’m not a teacher so I don’t have the explanation for you as to why that is, all I know is that your theory doesn’t hold water either. Same phenomenon you can find when we speak of other territories that were never in their history independent nations. Take a region known as Bessarabia for instance, you would say (mieszkam w Besarabi not na Besarabi) and counteless other examples. All I can say is - it just is.

EDIT: correction Hawaii was also independent but we say "na" instead of "w".

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


I’m not disputing the fact that the entomology could have evolved in the manner you have describe, what I’m saying is that if indeed that’s the case the original meaning is not what it is today and no one will ever make this assumption. However there are still some anomalies to be explained to put this theory of yours on a solid footing. Surely if the term “na” originaly referred to the neighboring lands only, one would have to make the assumption that it would equally apply to the lands east of us as well as in the west and there lies the dilemma. When we speak of the German lands we say “w” ie. (w Saksonii, w Brandenburgii, w Turingii, w Bawarii etc.) Those are all lands describing historical regions and as such same principal should govern all, be it eastern lands or western lands. It’s an interesting theory which btw I’m not buying at all, I’m afraid an explanation is much more simple than that, we simply use the term that comes more naturally to us hence so many discrepancies.

Edit: Even if you make the distinction that the lands west of us are Germanic and the other are Slavic, how do you explain Hungary and Baltic lands?

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Thanks for correction noted hopefully I won't make the same mistake again.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Besides the regions of Germany previously mentioned although interesting observation made by Ziemowit and noted that there was a separation by £użyce. We also have less obvious regions in Poland where “w” applies, perhaps not in the same category as “na Sandomierszczyznie” for example but in name as old as Poland itself where “na” should be used yet we use “w” ie; mieszkam w Bieszczadach, w Tatrach, w Dolinie Dunajca etc. We also have an example of a country that is not in immediate vicinity of Poland nor an island yet we use the term “na” instead of “w” ie. “na Wybrzeżu Kości Słoniowej” originally a territory described by the sailors of old but it could have never been thought of as our land or even Slavic, yet there it is or from historical perspective besides Prussia already mentioned by Ziemowit “w Mołdawi instead of na Mołdawi” in terms of Moldavia, though it was a vassal to the Polish crown at one time.

There are simply way too many exceptions for me to except this theory. I’m neither a Linguist nor any kind of authority on this subject. Z_darius you are right and I’m aware of this fact, the question had been asked by Polish linguists, I’m just surprised Lyzko raised this issue and my question to Lyzko still stands. I would like to hear how he heard about it or is it something he came up on his own simply by studying the language? Professor Miodek was asked this very same question on a public forum and he couldn’t find a logical explanation as to why that is. Not that I would take his word as gospel on the subject matter necessarily but he does have an interesting way of explaining Polish language usage. I myself never give it that much thought, I’m simply presenting an opposing point of view with few examples thrown in for good measure (born skeptic if you like), hence my presentation might seem chaotic at times. Lyzko If you do by any chance find any material in support of this theory even if it pertains to some other language share it with us, I’ll be more than happy to read it.

My opinion still stands, it all seems to be a 50/50 proposition of what sounds right rather than based on an assumption of how we view any given region or a nation simply by what preposition we use. There’s a book on the history and formation of Polish language if you’re interested in the subject matter or just to refresh your Polish language skills “Zarys dziejów języka polskiego” by Bogdan Walczak, primarily aimed at High School level students as a supplement to their study but it also gives the reader historical reference to the Polish language. I’m afraid there’s nothing in there dealing with this particular puzzle nor have I ever came across of such material but if you have something, I’m game, I’ll read it.

History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]


How could one ever forget when we are constantly being reminded by the perpetrators? Everyone plays the victim these days telling us to forget while they build the museums of remembrance, hell even time is being measured differently for some, it’s been 60 years for us and it’s time to move on. I wonder how many years have it been for them? They tell us to compensate them for the sins of their own grandfather who already bled us dry, carving up our territory, confiscating our property taking our cities and deporting millions of the native inhabitants of those lands, except for the lucky few who were resettled in western Poland at the war’s end, (neither by their choice nor by their governments decision of what the final division should be) to the vacation resorts and health spas in the far east so they can never claim it back. It was the big boys wise decision to created an absolute chaos at the wars end so they can make pretty speeches like Winston Churchill’s’ Iron Curtain Speech knowing perfectly well what the consequences will be agreeing to it in the first place, but I guess the world needs its villains and hero’s. Now the same powers to be responsible for all this mess in the first place tell us to compensate the Jews for their estimate loss of property when most of it was on the other side of Yalta agreement not even within today’s border of Poland, acknowledge the wrong doing to the German population that fled or had to be resettled because of that decision but that’s only the first step, compensation soon to follow. Seems like every week there’s an article on German victims, the Jewish victims and evil Poles and one can’t help but think, Yalta.

Damn right never Forget.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

As I understand it, this theory is not about proper grammar but rather if the (grammar) preposition we use to describe any region reflects the way we view that region (possession vs. independence), therefore the examples I used be it “w Bieszczadach” or “na Wybrzeżu Kości Słoniowej” are perfectly legit for me to use since clearly they do not indicate what the theory implies, as far as the grammar is concerned it’s a separate debate.


I understand that but we’re not just talking about this specific time frame in history where this concept would have formed and would have been set in stone so to speak, it would have perhaps originated at that time or perhaps even earlier but it would have evolved over a much longer period of time and it would still be evolving today. In my view any given region would have to be either very, very close to those tribes, long enough under our control as we think of ourselves as a nation or in our possession for us to be viewed as ours and clearly when we look at the history of the territories thus far mentioned that’s not always the case. After all we do have the Zaporoże or (Dzikie Pola) region which is farther away from the lands of ancient Polans and Vistulans then Moldavia is yet we use the term “na” and would have been used as prime example by the supporters of this theory. It was roughly at the same time in history when we governed both or at least collected taxes from both.

Travel / Just back from Krakow [120]


Like the behavior of your countryman has nothing to do with it, or you being too stupid, too ugly, too poor, too loud, too young, too old whatever case might be had nothing to do with it, naturally your nationality trumps all. Clearly all those British girls must be racist towards their own kind, since they told you to feck off and you had to seek a good time far away from your own shores. Grow up will you and take a walkabout far away from civilization to rethink your position so next time you might be more successful, loser.

Travel / Just back from Krakow [120]


There you go, real intellectual, first assuming a girl is a racist because she didn’t like you, then someone has attitude because they point out your naivety when it comes to life now this, you’re making too many assumptions.

Travel / Just back from Krakow [120]


Although she might have been attracted to you, once you spoke she realized what simpleton you are and would have nothing more to do with you, wow - how racist of her? Are you sure you did not puke all over your shirt which might have been a contributing factor to her reaction but in your mind, racist is the logical explanation, better then admitting your own faults I guess.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Another dumb fvck who read one too many propaganda pieces, more like the reverse is true.


If a Pole did that, it’s proof of anti-Semitic behavior, if Palestinian dose that it's terrorism and you scream bloody murder but if a Jew dose it, it’s just silly. Who are you kidding? Do you even hear yourself?

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Let me rephrase this, you’re not a victim of propaganda, you are the propaganda, Jewish crime is just silly – indeed.


I can see the headline already ‘Neo-Nazi Skin Head form Poland……. They suck the anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk’ Btw it’s not like I pulled this **** out of my a**, this phrase had been used before.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


Can you explain it to me one more time, if a Jew is a perpetrator of a hate crime he is silly, if anyone else does it he’s a bigot and you tell me you’re not spreading propaganda. Call it PR, call it damage control, call it what you will a Jew that dose that is just as racist as the next guy, period.


But not the Zionists or Jews they can’t do wrong, is that what you are saying? Jewish logic for you.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


I’m sorry but spreading you own sh*t on the walls of your hotel room a place you call home for the duration of your stay is not normal behavior or behaving badly, unless you do the same thing at home. Than again I’ve never been to Israel so who’s to say, none the less one would only do such thing out of hatred where I come from.


Not quiet, you’re on par with the nation you’re in, or at least what your profile say in regards of your treatment of Palestinians. Did you go there to study from the masters and their latest tactics? Btw. I wouldn’t call it an accomplishment, Genocide perhaps but accomplishment-never.

Love / Are Polish men romantic and caring or... "plain"? [85]

Plain? Romantic? Caring? Than I have a perfect solution for you. I’m Polish and I have what’s known as MPD, my shrink discovered 20 so far, God only knows how many more still in hiding. Date me and you’ll get the whole bunch for the price of one but usually opposite of what you would expect of your BF in any given situation. Anything to make your life more interesting, you might even fall in love with one in the bunch but who’s to say how often you’ll see him. LOL

On a more serious note I'm yet to figure out what women are like period and what they want of us in general. To split those traits by nationality would make it an impossible task. Looking at it on a bright side, I have my whole lifetime to devote to that research and enjoy every moment.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


How fvcked up is that? Let’s see, applying your own logic to the state of Israel, what do we see? First president of the state of Israel Chaim Weizmann born in Russia, current president of the State of Israel Shimon Peres born in Wiszniewo, Poland now Belarus, so after 62 years of existence as independent country you still don’t have leaders that were born in Israel proper affectively making your argument about Yasser Arafat invalid.

Besides there is no race or nationality called Jews or Jewish, many of your own people make that argument; you argue that Jewish is an religion not nationality. So what is an Israeli? One can only assume that a language he uses will give one a clue and tell us who the hell is he. Israelis speak Hebrew as their official language, don’t you? Anti-Israel or anti-Jewish = anti-Semite.

It's interesting, the term Semitic was first used to refer to the language family of Middle Eastern origin including both Hebrew and Arabic as language, as for the general reference to the people of Middle Eastern extraction as it pertains to their race is the term Arab. This makes it official, it effectively makes you the Israelis the same, so don’t kid yourself you’re just Arabs with identity crisis, hell bent on destroying one branch of your own people.

Although you claim otherwise one can see how you treat this minority within your own jurisdiction, building walls around them effectively making them live in ghettos on unprecedented scale in human history, segregating them from your own population, one can’t help but to draw the parallel with early 20th century Europe and we all call it Genocide, wouldn’t you agree?

News / Brown's 'Bigotgate' and the debate about Poles [63]


What's the matter? Your finger gets tiered. Besides, the fact that after half an hour of run around you're still not able to take care of your business or being put on hold dose not bother you, just the fact that you have to press one or two for the language at the very beginning.

Imagine that choosing the language is only one button you have to press, it's the pin number that's the kicker you have to press; imagine that, four, four whole digits and remember them.




No matter how bad is your eyesight you can't miss the English part, besides people always ignore fine print.


Imagine that; some immigrant trying to make a quick buck (after all he's just being an entrepreneur) who got caught selling drugs committed a crime, (not some series crime) yet the native who bought the drugs, used them and in his stupor committed god knows how many really series crimes before he got caught, like murder, assault, rubbery etc. because he needed more money to support his habit is ignored 'the Mexican made me do it.' Seriously, you people need to get your priority straight and don't blame whatever ails your society on immigrants. Millions of them are doing some menial job right now that one of you would never do but without it society would grind to a halt or at least experience serious hiccup. If it was not for that immigrant Americans would have drowned in their own refuse long time ago, you would have never been able to produce anything especially your agricultural produce and would have to pay 100 times the current rate, who would fix the roof over your head?, your average Mexican or any other illegal for that matter is just too busy making ends meet then to commit serious crime. Scraping bottom of the barrel for a living is not an easy life but as always it's easier to blame someone else then to take a good look at yourself and be honest about it, one might not like what he sees.

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]

Why should Polish tax revenues pay for the upkeep of Auschwitz? The German Nazis made it reality. Maintaining it makes us the guilty party in the eyes of the Jew especially the American Jew who dose not know any better and every other uneducated moron out there. We should maintain only part of it in memory of the Poles who died there and forget the rest. Either Germans should be responsible for the maintenance of the facility as it’s their doing or Jews themselves as they claim it to be their cemetery to keep it admission free.

We paid long enough, 65 years to be exact, and the thanks we get in return is distortion of history and accusations. Now every undereducated Journalist associates Auschwitz with it being Polish Death Camp. This only goes to prove if you’re just trying to be decent you’ll be sh**** upon, in case of Israeli visitors I’m not using some sort of metaphor here, I do mean it literally. This will only escalate if something is not done about it soon.

Not only there should be a set price for the ticket to take care of the maintenance costs of the museum itself, but portion of that money should help the local business to recoup their costs associated with the Israeli youths stay there. The damage to the rooms, the clean up costs to scrape the sh** off the walls should also carry a hefty surcharge for it being a hazardous material. The way I figure it, Jews themselves would keep the wild ones at bay, being too cheap to pay for the damage they cause while they stay here and everything would be kosher.

History / Should visitors to Auschwitz pay an entrance fee? [82]


Perhaps it is provocative but not nonsense. We maintained this facility for many years, all through the communist years partly because of the propaganda machine of the communist party itself but for the most part in memory of the victims that died there regardless of who they were, including Polish ones. Poles were the victims, yet these days we are portrayed as the villains by western, mostly Jewish press. It does make one question what sinister plot might be lurking in the shadows associating us with the villains in the press and the provocative action taken by the Jewish youth designed to provoke reaction on our part to prove to the world once as for all how anti-Semitic Poles are. Besides as the logic of one of the posters suggests that the victims should not be made to pay for the upkeep of the museum, then neither should we for we were the victims and still are being victimized till this very day by the descendants of Jewish victims, not only in negative newspaper articles but also in form of property damage and physical assaults on the locals perpetrated by the Jewish youth. Enough is enough and people should voice their opinion loud and clear so that the whole world may hear.

Love / Are the Polish the most suspicious people in Europe? [73]

POSCO
There’s a simple explanation for this. Let me put your mind at ease; we are very suspicious of people who can’t express themselves. Besides the obvious resentment you may feel towards her (she’s obviously the one that told you to take a hike) and the usual bi***ing and moaning that follows it, you don’t bring anything useful to this forum which reflects badly on the people you represent, hell you can’t even take a hint. So she told you to fvck off, get over it, it’s neither the first time nor the last. Find yourself a good shrink who can cure you of whatever it is that ails you. Now be a good little lad and brake with this forum. For fvck sakes do all Latin man act like little schoolgirls? You bring shame on them all.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]

ConstantineK member since 07 and now you get epiphany?
Dumaj człeku dumaj, a jak coś wydumasz to zadyma.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]


Proof? What proof?Hell all those words are practically synonymous with Russia.

We have to make sure we do much better job at keeping the hicks, modern day European barbarians on the other side of Urals; they have the tendency to destroy and plunder everything in sight whenever they get too far to the west. Other than that no, no failures.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [639]

Truth hurts; this image does not fit well with the story you would like to present to the world about anti-Semitism in Europe.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]

Keep dreaming, parasites like you only live off of others, once you drain them you have to change the host for a while otherwise the original host would perish and you with it.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [639]

Face it; Jews from all over the world even Columbia come here to spit on Poland, bunch of trolls polluting this forum if you ask me. Hardly any thread untouched by them, turning everything into a Jewish issue, like you’re the center of universe LOL. There’s no race in entire world more racist then the Jews. You’re from Netherlands, yet you defend American immigration policy like it was your own. Given the fact you are Jewish and never denied that fact like others here makes you think it is.

You keep crying about the WWII yet tell us to forget, you tell us to compensate you yet tell us to forget what we have lost. You know what; once you live up to whatever you preach I might reconsider my views.

How would you know what he is? Have your advances been rejected? On the other hand you won’t find too many homos in Poland so you have to search somewhere else.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [639]


Never in my life have I heard more outrages claim than this one. You don’t even believe it yourself.



Poland’s inter-war Jewish population was about 3.3 million out of 33 million or roughly 10%. As you have said yourself such marriages were just more common during inter-war period lasting only 20 years. Even if all Jews married outside of their own this would still be impossible to achieve, not to mention the fact how Nazis viewed the offspring of such union. Are you telling us that the Holocaust is just a myth? For every Pole to have at least one Jewish ancestor to be even partly true all the Jews of Poland and their offspring of mixed marriages would have to survive, only Poles would have to die during the war. I never ever heard a more twisted logic than this one. How desperate do you have to be to make such a claim?


That’s not true now is it? Almost every Jew on this forum had argued that Jews are neither a race nor ethnic group, its simply religion. Therefore once you change your religion you’re no longer a Jew. There simply can’t be any Poles out there with Jewish ancestors. However on the other hand; you are only acknowledged and accepted as a Jew by the rest of Jewish community if your mother is a Jew. They are the keepers of the faith therefore no matter who the father might have been her child is a Jew. If the father of such child happens to be Polish and being Polish is recognized as belonging to some sort of ethnic group, a child of such an union is a Jew of Polish ancestor. That's why according to your own logic argued by many Jews on this forum there can never be any Poles of Jewish ancestry but there are plenty of Jews out there with Polish blood in them.

Twisted as it may be it’s an accurate assessment of what many Jews have argued on this very forum unless they only hold it to be true when it suits them.