Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


I’m not disputing the fact that the entomology could have evolved in the manner you have describe, what I’m saying is that if indeed that’s the case the original meaning is not what it is today and no one will ever make this assumption. However there are still some anomalies to be explained to put this theory of yours on a solid footing. Surely if the term “na” originaly referred to the neighboring lands only, one would have to make the assumption that it would equally apply to the lands east of us as well as in the west and there lies the dilemma. When we speak of the German lands we say “w” ie. (w Saksonii, w Brandenburgii, w Turingii, w Bawarii etc.) Those are all lands describing historical regions and as such same principal should govern all, be it eastern lands or western lands. It’s an interesting theory which btw I’m not buying at all, I’m afraid an explanation is much more simple than that, we simply use the term that comes more naturally to us hence so many discrepancies.

Edit: Even if you make the distinction that the lands west of us are Germanic and the other are Slavic, how do you explain Hungary and Baltic lands?

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Thanks for correction noted hopefully I won't make the same mistake again.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Besides the regions of Germany previously mentioned although interesting observation made by Ziemowit and noted that there was a separation by £użyce. We also have less obvious regions in Poland where “w” applies, perhaps not in the same category as “na Sandomierszczyznie” for example but in name as old as Poland itself where “na” should be used yet we use “w” ie; mieszkam w Bieszczadach, w Tatrach, w Dolinie Dunajca etc. We also have an example of a country that is not in immediate vicinity of Poland nor an island yet we use the term “na” instead of “w” ie. “na Wybrzeżu Kości Słoniowej” originally a territory described by the sailors of old but it could have never been thought of as our land or even Slavic, yet there it is or from historical perspective besides Prussia already mentioned by Ziemowit “w Mołdawi instead of na Mołdawi” in terms of Moldavia, though it was a vassal to the Polish crown at one time.

There are simply way too many exceptions for me to except this theory. I’m neither a Linguist nor any kind of authority on this subject. Z_darius you are right and I’m aware of this fact, the question had been asked by Polish linguists, I’m just surprised Lyzko raised this issue and my question to Lyzko still stands. I would like to hear how he heard about it or is it something he came up on his own simply by studying the language? Professor Miodek was asked this very same question on a public forum and he couldn’t find a logical explanation as to why that is. Not that I would take his word as gospel on the subject matter necessarily but he does have an interesting way of explaining Polish language usage. I myself never give it that much thought, I’m simply presenting an opposing point of view with few examples thrown in for good measure (born skeptic if you like), hence my presentation might seem chaotic at times. Lyzko If you do by any chance find any material in support of this theory even if it pertains to some other language share it with us, I’ll be more than happy to read it.

My opinion still stands, it all seems to be a 50/50 proposition of what sounds right rather than based on an assumption of how we view any given region or a nation simply by what preposition we use. There’s a book on the history and formation of Polish language if you’re interested in the subject matter or just to refresh your Polish language skills “Zarys dziejów języka polskiego” by Bogdan Walczak, primarily aimed at High School level students as a supplement to their study but it also gives the reader historical reference to the Polish language. I’m afraid there’s nothing in there dealing with this particular puzzle nor have I ever came across of such material but if you have something, I’m game, I’ll read it.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

As I understand it, this theory is not about proper grammar but rather if the (grammar) preposition we use to describe any region reflects the way we view that region (possession vs. independence), therefore the examples I used be it “w Bieszczadach” or “na Wybrzeżu Kości Słoniowej” are perfectly legit for me to use since clearly they do not indicate what the theory implies, as far as the grammar is concerned it’s a separate debate.


I understand that but we’re not just talking about this specific time frame in history where this concept would have formed and would have been set in stone so to speak, it would have perhaps originated at that time or perhaps even earlier but it would have evolved over a much longer period of time and it would still be evolving today. In my view any given region would have to be either very, very close to those tribes, long enough under our control as we think of ourselves as a nation or in our possession for us to be viewed as ours and clearly when we look at the history of the territories thus far mentioned that’s not always the case. After all we do have the Zaporoże or (Dzikie Pola) region which is farther away from the lands of ancient Polans and Vistulans then Moldavia is yet we use the term “na” and would have been used as prime example by the supporters of this theory. It was roughly at the same time in history when we governed both or at least collected taxes from both.

Love / Are the Polish the most suspicious people in Europe? [73]

POSCO
There’s a simple explanation for this. Let me put your mind at ease; we are very suspicious of people who can’t express themselves. Besides the obvious resentment you may feel towards her (she’s obviously the one that told you to take a hike) and the usual bi***ing and moaning that follows it, you don’t bring anything useful to this forum which reflects badly on the people you represent, hell you can’t even take a hint. So she told you to fvck off, get over it, it’s neither the first time nor the last. Find yourself a good shrink who can cure you of whatever it is that ails you. Now be a good little lad and brake with this forum. For fvck sakes do all Latin man act like little schoolgirls? You bring shame on them all.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [185]

ConstantineK member since 07 and now you get epiphany?
Dumaj człeku dumaj, a jak coś wydumasz to zadyma.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [185]


Proof? What proof?Hell all those words are practically synonymous with Russia.

We have to make sure we do much better job at keeping the hicks, modern day European barbarians on the other side of Urals; they have the tendency to destroy and plunder everything in sight whenever they get too far to the west. Other than that no, no failures.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Truth hurts; this image does not fit well with the story you would like to present to the world about anti-Semitism in Europe.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [185]

Keep dreaming, parasites like you only live off of others, once you drain them you have to change the host for a while otherwise the original host would perish and you with it.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Face it; Jews from all over the world even Columbia come here to spit on Poland, bunch of trolls polluting this forum if you ask me. Hardly any thread untouched by them, turning everything into a Jewish issue, like you’re the center of universe LOL. There’s no race in entire world more racist then the Jews. You’re from Netherlands, yet you defend American immigration policy like it was your own. Given the fact you are Jewish and never denied that fact like others here makes you think it is.

You keep crying about the WWII yet tell us to forget, you tell us to compensate you yet tell us to forget what we have lost. You know what; once you live up to whatever you preach I might reconsider my views.

How would you know what he is? Have your advances been rejected? On the other hand you won’t find too many homos in Poland so you have to search somewhere else.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Never in my life have I heard more outrages claim than this one. You don’t even believe it yourself.



Poland’s inter-war Jewish population was about 3.3 million out of 33 million or roughly 10%. As you have said yourself such marriages were just more common during inter-war period lasting only 20 years. Even if all Jews married outside of their own this would still be impossible to achieve, not to mention the fact how Nazis viewed the offspring of such union. Are you telling us that the Holocaust is just a myth? For every Pole to have at least one Jewish ancestor to be even partly true all the Jews of Poland and their offspring of mixed marriages would have to survive, only Poles would have to die during the war. I never ever heard a more twisted logic than this one. How desperate do you have to be to make such a claim?


That’s not true now is it? Almost every Jew on this forum had argued that Jews are neither a race nor ethnic group, its simply religion. Therefore once you change your religion you’re no longer a Jew. There simply can’t be any Poles out there with Jewish ancestors. However on the other hand; you are only acknowledged and accepted as a Jew by the rest of Jewish community if your mother is a Jew. They are the keepers of the faith therefore no matter who the father might have been her child is a Jew. If the father of such child happens to be Polish and being Polish is recognized as belonging to some sort of ethnic group, a child of such an union is a Jew of Polish ancestor. That's why according to your own logic argued by many Jews on this forum there can never be any Poles of Jewish ancestry but there are plenty of Jews out there with Polish blood in them.

Twisted as it may be it’s an accurate assessment of what many Jews have argued on this very forum unless they only hold it to be true when it suits them.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]


Hogwash MG. If anything is going to be incorporated it’s the Jewish victims. First and foremost all the civilian casualties during the war were citizens and nationals of various European countries be it Polish, Russian, Hungarian, German what have you, they were the citizens of those countries period. Yet when it comes to the Holocaust issue all of a sudden it’s THE Jews. What’s that all about? Did the religion of a Polish, Russian, German citizen elevate to the status of nationality? I don’t think so. There was no state of Israel at that time either, so in essence one could argue that the only victims of the Holocaust were the civilians of various European nations and be counted as such. Furthermore, I will argue that the focus was mainly on Poles with extreme prejudice towards the ones of certain religious belief.


You couldn’t be more wrong. That’s the twisted distorted recent definition of a word as borrowed into English language to mean just that. The word ‘pogrom’ had many meanings, most common was ‘total military defeat over ones enemy ‘. It wasn’t until 1880’s and 1890’s when it took on this meaning as well when a series of anti-Jewish riots swept Russia. Even the Jewish newspaper of the time ‘Izraelita ‘ referred to them as the ‘events that recently took place’ not ‘pogrom’ which now is synonymous with ‘Slaughter’.


So did the mentally retarded, homosexuals etc., what makes one group special above all others to be counted as separate entity yet other groups counted as per their nationality, citizenship?

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]


Actually foreign nationals living legally in the U.S. on non-immigrant visa but temporary worker visa (H1-B visa) are recruited by US armed forces as of Feb 2009 with a promise of granting all those who are willing to fight for Uncle Sam US citizenship in as little as six months.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Like they will discriminate now based on nationality? If they need native Arabic speaker they will take him no matter what country he's from. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

But you still seek someone who can speak local dialect of the enemy that you fight, someone who has good understanding of local culture etc. Anything that will give you an edge. It’s been done since ancient times. Do you honestly think they did not recruit the so called defectors back then? Enemy or not, even if he was Soviet citizen, you simply expedite the process of his citizenship, have him as an adviser whatever and keep a close eye on him in case he might be a double agent. You still take a risk.

Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]


If I was you I would scream bloody discrimination, accuse my superiors precisely of that for sending me on assignment to Poland and demand immediate transfer to India perhaps where you'll feel at home.


I agree his advances were rejected and now he has an ax to grind. Not to worry Sun and Moon, I'm sure your parents can find someone more suitable for you, worthy of your status if you know what I mean, it will only cost them two water buffalo's, with your luck in the affairs of the heart she might even look like one.


Now that explains the attitude, most backward state in U.S you must feel at home there.


it's Huntsville, as for English not being your native language it's still no excuse not to spell the city you supposedly grew up in correctly, same goes for the city you supposedly live and work in now


You're just a Troll and disrespectful at that, besides from what I've heard folks from Alabama don't need no damn outhouse, could it be your cultures influence on the natives?

Life / Help me find this Polish band and song.... [117]

Here you go, that's the one he's looking for.

W poniedziałek rano, kosił ojciec siano.
Kosił ojciec, kosił ja, kosiliśmy obydwa.
A we wtorek rano,suszył ojciec siano.
Suszył ojciec, suszył ja,suszyliśmy obydwa.
A we środę rano,grabił ojciec siano.
Grabił ojciec, grabił ja grabiliśmy obydwa.
A we czwartek rano kopił ojciec siano.
Kopił ojciec, kopił ja kopiliśmy obydwa.
A zaś w piątek rano zwoził ojciec siano.
Zwoził ojciec, zwoził ja, zwoziliśmy obydwa.
A w sobotę rano sprzedał ojciec siano.
Sprzedał ojciec, sprzedał ja, sprzedaliśmy obydwa.

Ojciec i syn - Link
tradycja.wikia.com/wiki/Ojciec_i_syn

Life / Help me find this Polish band and song.... [117]

Trust me, that’s the one, he was talking about seed because he’s confused that’s all.

Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]


When it comes to Indian Diplomats the news is rather grim and depressing like the recent case of then Consul General of India in New York who was sued by her former domestic help for allegedly subjecting her to slavery. Case was dismissed by Indian courts because the young lady that sued had disappeared upon her return to India.

As for public WC; it's still a step up for someone of Indian descent where more people have access to mobile phone service then having a toilet in the house or even an access to filthy public toilets. People there really squat wherever they please,


youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM

Life / SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT POLAND AND POLISH SOCIETY [297]

Tow_stalin aka (Sun and Moon) a piece of advice if I may, there’s no need to create a separate account just to pet yourself on the back. Trolling is a fine art, style of writing aside (which is a dead giveaway in this case) there’s one huge mistake which no self respecting Pole would ever make. Tonight’s homework assignment; try to figure out what it is.

Life / Do you collect mushrooms in your country? Poles in Poland do. [94]


You don’t know what you’re missing, nothing like a homemade mushroom soup after a successful mushroom hunt. Yummy :-)

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

According to: (Kazimierz Rymut, "Nazwiska Polaków. Słownik historyczno - etymologiczny", Instytut Języka Polskiego PAN, Kraków 1999) Surname Bil means (White) it is derived from the root 'Biał' meaning (White). Other surnames In this family also derived from the same root 'Biał' are: Bielenia, Biał, Biel, Biały Etc.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Kendra - A cognominal surname root word ‘kędr’ lock of hair or someone with curly hair.
Kedra – Very rare surname in Poland probably a variation of the one above (not sure).


Your family surnames are with typically Americanized spelling. Let’s start with giving them a proper Polish spelling: Shypulefski = Szypulewski, Wisnieski = Wiśnieski or Wiśniewski.

Kubera - is spelled correctly and despite your confusion it’s definitely of Polish origin. It’s a patronymic surname derived from the name Jakub, if it was German it would have been: Jakob, Jakobsen, Jakobs or English: Jacobb, Jacobbe, Jeacop, Jecop, Jacobs, Jacobson.

Wiśnieski or Wiśniewski – A toponymic surname form Wiśniewo, Wiśniowa.

Szypulewski – A cognominal surname root word ‘szypuła’ pedicel (a stalk or stalk like part bearing a flower)

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Jedyną lekcją, jaką nas nauczyła historia do tej pory to to, że zasługą naszych przyjaciół jest kac, którego się ciężko pozbyć. LOL

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

Sobczyk - Patronymic surname dating back to the early 1600’s. Formed from a first name. So your guess as to the meaning "son of Sob" is correct. "Sob" in this case most likely is the name "Sobiesław" but it could be any number of first names that were derived from a from of personal pronoun "self" in polish "się" or "sobie" like the name "Sobiestian"

Rosiak - Cognominal surname, root word "rosa" meaning "dew". Probably formed from the character trait, my guess "one who weeps" as it is direct translation to English, therefor a "cry baby", "weeper".

Czop - Yet another cognominal surname, dating back to the late 1300’s. root word "czop" meaning a "barrel plug", most likely occupationally based, one who made the plugs for the barrels.

Pomietło – Once more we deal with cognominal surname, dating back to the late 1500’s. root word "pomiotło" In centuries past a type of broom. It’s either a nick for an occupation a "sweeper" or a nick for someone who's a "pushover", easily brushed or swept aside.

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]

That’s what Spaniards were waving at Somosierra at the advancing Poles. So do you keep it for posterity's sake, you know - just in case? LOL

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


That pretty much sums up what people like you and Harry do.


Scapegoating Poles is your favorite past time, when will you ever take responsibility for what the commie Jews did instead of blaming Poles all the time? You won’t even consider it for all the Jews are angels according to you therefore can’t do wrong. Besides if you did acknowledge those facts you could not be the victim so when presented with the facts you just deny it and lie about it or simply call it a lie, because that does not sit well with your agenda. There were plenty of bad Jews and the commie ones were the worst of the lot, talking of coming of age I guess you will never do that, you just can’t grasp that concept or acknowledge the facts so you have the need for a scapegoat.


Agreed to the statement in general but when presented by the likes of you it’s definitely not the facts nor the interpretation of those events in light of the facts, it’s strictly for propaganda sake, shock value and to divert the attention from current events or to justify them, so no one looks at the terrible things Jews are doing in Israel for they are the oppressed. Playing the victim card all the time is getting old and some casual readers of this forum are catching on to the game you’re playing.

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


Gross is a Jew living in America, by mere chance born in Poland, he probably shares this view with Harry for whom the place of birth is just a coincident and in no way describing of who he is, so it’s interesting that you build him up as a Pole and bring him up as someone of authority who speaks for all Poles, try again. Perhaps you should read what authors like Nowak has to say on that subject , where Gross is plain wrong in his opinion. Bias Jew like Gross represents pro Jewsh point of view in no way to be mistaken as Polish.


If you read some of the works done by other authors on the subject, other than Jewish authors that is; perhaps than you would start to question that Idealized image of a Jew as the victim you have and see what atrocities were committed by the Jews on other nationalities who happen to fall under Soviet domination starting in 39, long before isolated Kielce incident and arguably hundreds times worse.


Soviet-Jews failed gloriously in their quest to achieve true communism and now people like you are attempting to hide the fact that they ever existed and what those Jewish zealots did, often more committed to the cause then the Russians. Nationalism had no role to play in that society and had to be stamped out at any cost, Poles happen to be in their way and were the first obstacle to overcome in their attempt to spread that disease all over the world; now that you are reminded of those events you deny them and call it all lies at best or simply anti-Semitic.

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [302]


How does one react to lies then?


According to your own logic, your feverish denial of what the Jews did is proof positive then that they did it. I’m pleased to see progress and acceptance of what your brethren did in the past. Just to remind you here’s the list:

A: Vest majority of the Jews were commies. (Well , just look how many moved to Israel from the former Russia itself in recent years.)
B: Jews betrayed Poles. (Why wouldn’t they? They felt no loyalty to the country whose language they didn’t even speak.)
C: Jews welcomed the Soviets and even Nazis at the unset of war. (Plenty of written eyewitness accounts to testify to that fact.)
D: Jews helped round up Poles for the slaughter. (Not only did they participate in the round up but were executioners themselves in many of instances.)

E: Jews were confiscating property of those Poles who were about to be deported to Siberia. (Once again plenty of eyewitnesses reported to this happening in Soviet occupation zone)

F: The blood libel (Denied for centuries, yet accused of it in every country Jews ever lived) makes one wonder why? A truth that has been hidden away as dark secret from the past perhaps?


Neither have I, except for an opinion stated by your kind without any facts or hard evidence to prove it. Your claim that denial makes it proof positive, most ridicules claim I’ve ever heard from someone of sound logic, at least that’s what you claim – right?


No one is trying to convince you of anything, we know better than to try and change the morons mind, pointing out the facts, that’s what that is.

Note to the Mod: Next time put warning comment under both posters just to make it appear to be fair, perhaps you’ve missed an obvious insults by MareGaea thrown all over the place or perhaps a swine comment is not obvious enough?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Mastalerz or Mastalarz – dating back to 1700’s a person taking care of horses – old fashion form of (stajenny) someone in charge of stables.

You're welcome.
Mind you, not to be confused with stable boy but someone with authority on an estate, a respectable position back then. The Master of the Horse a proper name in English was and in some cases, is a historical position of varying importance in several European nations.

Someone with the same position at Kings Court was called Koniuszy an office reserved for someone of nobility but at the Counts estate Mastalerz performed the same duties and it was not necessary for one to be of noble blood to hold this position although some were. He thought horse riding skills to the children of the Count as well.