yehudi
7 Aug 2013
History / If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...? [240]
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that all, or even most Poles hate Jews. My point is that anti-Jewishness is not focused on our religion. It's focused against Jews as a group, religious or not. My comment doesn't refer to people who don't hate Jews, but to those who do. Are you saying that anti-Jewish hatred is not at all existing in Poland, even between the wars? If that's true then Poland is the only country in Europe that's immune to anti-jewishness.
I think your defensiveness against the charge of "anti-semitism" is exaggerated. All it does is bring out nasty comments from people like Bieganski, who seem to want to prove that Poland actually does dislike Jews. Even your wording "fanatic Jews" is offensive to me. What does that mean at all? A very Jewish Jew? You imply that the more Jewish a person is, the more anti-Polish he is. There are Jews who are barely aware of their Jewishness that say nasty things about "polish antisemitism" and there are orthodox Jews like me who don't think that Poland is more antisemitic than, say, France or Ireland. Frankly the whole question of whether Poles today like or hate Jews is as important to me as whether Koreans like Italians. Any Jew in Poland who feels uncomfortable is welcome to move to my neighborhood. (And I'm sure Bieganski would agree with that).
And by the way, selling "Jewish" souvenirs indicates nothing but a desire to make some money from Jewish tourists. I find the little wooden Jew dolls creepy.
I couldn't care less if you like the semites, the hittites or the midianites. Just stop setting up straw arguments and fake quotes so that you can knock them down, as if you're fearlessly debunking a myth. For example...
No, we don't cry that. When the hell do we ever go telling people that we're chosen? And what does Zionism have to do with "Chosenness". Zionism was a political and cultural movement to promote the idea of Jews returning to their homeland to be independent, reviving the Hebrew language and settling the land. Nothing to do with any sense of superiority.
You got that right. We won't. And we'll draw our own conclusions about that.
Who are you quoting here? We don't say that Jews are the only victims of hate in the world. In fact it wasn't a Jew who started this thread. It was a Pole who wanted to provoke answers like yours.
You're just an obnoxious overly-defensive person who has a problem with Jews. That's your problem, not mine.
That is how the myth about inborn Polish antisemitism sucked from mother`s breast is propagated today.
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that all, or even most Poles hate Jews. My point is that anti-Jewishness is not focused on our religion. It's focused against Jews as a group, religious or not. My comment doesn't refer to people who don't hate Jews, but to those who do. Are you saying that anti-Jewish hatred is not at all existing in Poland, even between the wars? If that's true then Poland is the only country in Europe that's immune to anti-jewishness.
I think your defensiveness against the charge of "anti-semitism" is exaggerated. All it does is bring out nasty comments from people like Bieganski, who seem to want to prove that Poland actually does dislike Jews. Even your wording "fanatic Jews" is offensive to me. What does that mean at all? A very Jewish Jew? You imply that the more Jewish a person is, the more anti-Polish he is. There are Jews who are barely aware of their Jewishness that say nasty things about "polish antisemitism" and there are orthodox Jews like me who don't think that Poland is more antisemitic than, say, France or Ireland. Frankly the whole question of whether Poles today like or hate Jews is as important to me as whether Koreans like Italians. Any Jew in Poland who feels uncomfortable is welcome to move to my neighborhood. (And I'm sure Bieganski would agree with that).
And by the way, selling "Jewish" souvenirs indicates nothing but a desire to make some money from Jewish tourists. I find the little wooden Jew dolls creepy.
Why do people believe it is important to be pro-semitic
I couldn't care less if you like the semites, the hittites or the midianites. Just stop setting up straw arguments and fake quotes so that you can knock them down, as if you're fearlessly debunking a myth. For example...
"But we are Zionists and the Jews are "the Chosen ones!" you cry.
No, we don't cry that. When the hell do we ever go telling people that we're chosen? And what does Zionism have to do with "Chosenness". Zionism was a political and cultural movement to promote the idea of Jews returning to their homeland to be independent, reviving the Hebrew language and settling the land. Nothing to do with any sense of superiority.
"Never forget the Holocaust!"
You got that right. We won't. And we'll draw our own conclusions about that.
"Jews are always singled out for verbal and physical abuse!"
Who are you quoting here? We don't say that Jews are the only victims of hate in the world. In fact it wasn't a Jew who started this thread. It was a Pole who wanted to provoke answers like yours.
You're just an obnoxious overly-defensive person who has a problem with Jews. That's your problem, not mine.