History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


Annoy and aggravate... :) What a reason for war... :)
BB, be serious :)
You wrote yourself:


So, I have an impression which I often get with Russians trying to justify what Stalin did - blame the victim. The easiest way...


As I wrote - I don't think it could be avoided.


No, BB, there was no such a big war (world war, you know) in which civilians would be targeted like this and would die in such numbers. It was a terrible war and the inhumanity of the Nazis and their ideology is almost proverbial in Poland.


It's easy to say this, when you know what happened :)


I give a sh'it :) If I didn't give a sh'it - it would mean I don't care :) But I care ("I give a sh'it" in English, as far as I know).


BB, I don't force anybody to do anything :) It's my opinion.


I'm a Christian - so I believe there is something worse than death. But it's my opinion and I don't force anybody to do anything.


I can't - it's the way I am, sorry... :P


?

BB, if you like it or not - only few Poles would agree that Poles should ally with Hitler. For many - it's unthinkable.


I know, some Poles still aren't able to forgive them that...

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


I will - after I die :)


I wrote that some Poles can't forgive them allying with Hitler against Poland.
But that's not everything, of course - there is Katyń, gulags, Syberia and 50 years of communist "paradise" in the shadow of Soviet Union...


I'm like that with Russians and Poles, so don't feel discriminated ;)

Love / 'Battered husbands' - still a taboo subject in Poland [387]


O_____O'

You had some traumatic experiences in Poland... My God...

Genealogy / Searching for relatives in Poland: Sobczak, Rutkowska, Jawainck [6]


Well, there are such surnames in Poland if this is what you mean ;)

Sobczak surname in Poland (28639 people with this surname) - a map: mapa/kompletny/sobczak.

Rutkowski surname in Poland (20569 people with this surname) - a map: mapa/kompletny/rutkowski.

Genealogy / Searching for relatives in Poland: Sobczak, Rutkowska, Jawainck [6]


Yes, that would be helpful, I think ;)

Genealogy / Krupski name [36]


Perhaps "Junkiewicz"?

Here's a map where you can find people with this surname in Poland: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/junkiewicz.html


Well, could be something like: "Dzimitrowicz": moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/dzimitrowicz.html

Or Dziatkowicz (less probable, I guess): moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/dziatkowicz.html

A wild guess ;)

History / Digital reconstruction of Warszawa - Miasto Ruin - rebuilding the destroyed Warsaw [31]

Thanks for the link, pgtx!


I was in the museum not so long ago when I visited Warsaw... What a shame I missed it, they could do it earlier, pfff ;)))

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


How do you know this?


Even if, that could mean the defeat of the Soviet Union and occupation of it's territories, like in Poland. So what about all those Russians, Jews and other nationalities who would die and suffer in the result of this?

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

BB, I told about what you wrote here in this thread to some Russians from the internet. One of them (a son of a WW2 veteran) called you an ordinary facist scum and invited you to Sankt Petersburg to look at Piskariowski cemetery and some other places :P He wrote that nobody will hurt you there anymore so you can come ;) (I just repeat what he wanted to say to you :P).

I wrote to them that you're not a facist, but I'm not sure how to support this anymore ;P
So, could you explain why do you write such things...

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

I'm no historian. So how do you know this? Could you share any links?


Should I repeat this to him?


For example, that Poland should become an ally of Third Reich or neutral which would make it easier for Hitler to invade the Soviet Union.


And you?

EDIT:


And rightly so ;)

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


I'm still not surprised that Polish authorities didn't trust Hitler.


Well, he's not my "friend". Funny that he called me your friend too :)
As far is denying is concerned - how does this matter in our discussion?


Then the more sane choice, let's say, would be to become an ally of the Soviet Union, and not Third Reich. Why would you write in the first place that Poland should become an ally of Hitler?


The fact that he wanted to negotiate doesn't say anything about what he would do after that. And as he was pretty much insane... :/


Why? If those countries were also occupied then what you mean by "didn't fare as bad as Poland"?


I'm not asking a German of the 30s and 40s :/ I'm asking you...

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


Maybe Poles aren't good at "cold blooded real politik"? ;)
What I meant was: after Austria and Czechoslovakia Hitler seemed to be always "hungry" for land. I really doubt that even if Poland gave Danzig, etc. Hiler wouldn't come for more.


Well, I think Poland was making some preparations in case of war with Third Reich but I don't think anybody suspected that the Soviet Union would also invade Poland.


I don't know! ;)


It was a Russian point of view on what you wrote so it was related.
As far as raping girls and nailing them on barn doors is concerned - he could read about this many times before from Poles, me included ;/


In my opinion it's just a way of justifying what Hitler and Stalin did. Poland didn't ask for war. Nobody told Hitler to invade Poland and start a war because of one city.


I think that many governments failed at that time. Even those who were in a more comfortable situation than Poland. They failed to stop Hitler when it was time. They were too selfish and distrustful of one another.

And nobody could know the future...


Why? Both Poland and those countries were occupied. So why the difference?


Is it so difficult to answer my question? ;)

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


:)
I can see that German attitude towards Polish history is very similar to the attitude of Russians.
Probably that's why Poles "like" you both so much...


There was no war between Third Reich and Poland before 1939. So they weren't really enemies. And no sane government would let Hiler's army into their country willingly without being forced into this, only with no other choice. So why on Earth Poland would do that at that time?


Third Reich and Soviet Union were ideological enemies so who would've thought that they would get together?


Did you?


No, Poland was defending itself. It's not "going to war". There wasn't even a war decleration on the part of Third Reich :/


And so it is so easy for you to say what they were supposed to do?


That's why I don't think there was much what they could do. It would probably end bad anyway. Maybe not as bad as when not allying with any of them, but the difference wouldn't be that big, I think. In the moral sense they did the right thing.

Besides, Polish troops had orders not to fight against the Red Army. There was no declaration of war.


Indeed :) But maybe I know, and I would just like you to write what you think?


You can learn some from discussions too :)

History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]


Wait a minute... You wrote it wasn't really about Danzig.


Poland existed since 1918 till 1939 and in those 20 years of independence there was no war with Third Reich and Poland and Third Reich were not enemies.


And how would they know that? Poland was at some time at war with bolshevik Russia and didn't lose independence. How could they know that consequences would be so dreadful?


OK, but did you read those books you mentioned?


But they didn't fight against the Red Army as far as it was possible. So I guess they picked a side to some point.


I don't know much, that's true. But you don't have to discuss anything with me, I'm not forcing you ;)


The Nazis were pretty black to me...

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]

History of Poland in 8 minutes - the whole thing from China EXPO 2010:

adam.owczarz.wrzuta.pl/film/8vfUao6atFi/tysiac_lat_w_osiem_minu t_-_historia_polski_na_expo

Love / Possibility of Marriage with a Polish lady [96]

Shekofte, I think there are some differences still between Poland and the West in this respect, at least in the more traditional regions of Poland, but it's changing with younger generations. You can find virgins even at your age (though it's rather rare, probably, and they won't brag about this :)), some students over 20 also, and definitely there are girls who are over 15 and still virgins. But none of them will brag about this, because it's nothing to be proud of anymore (on the contrary even). Unless they are religious and surrounded by religious friends - then they can be more open about it.

I think girls who stay virgins for long are either shy or have strong moral principles. And if it is a matter of principles than in Poland it often means a girl is Catholic. And if she's Catholic and you're a Muslim there might a problem if you're interested in marriage...

There are Polish women who convert to Islam but it's very rare, I think.
As Amathyst already wrote sex before marriage is considered as sin by the Catholic Church but people in Poland who aren't very very religious usually don't care about this ;)

As for Iranians - Poles probably think the same about them as they think about Muslims in general - that they are religious, very traditional, have strict moral rules and that women have lower position in their society than men. So many women may be put off by this, as you could hear stories sometimes on TV about Polish women marrying a Muslim and ending up in a Muslim country closed in his home with her passport taken by her husband and with no rights.

As for your picture - you look like a handsome man, so no problem there, I guess.
As for the girl - she looks pretty young. How old is she?
You could ask her some questions about Poland and Polish culture instead of searching on internet forums. You would have a reason to chat with her and know her better (and find out whether she's religious or not, for example) and I'm sure she'd be pleased that you're interested in her country and culture.

Btw, you're not interested in Iranian women? I'm sure there are many beautiful girls in Iran too :) But it's probably more difficult to date or flirt with a girl in your country? Do you have to be accompanied by a chaperon when meating a girl you like?

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]

I remember both "Donald" and "Turbo" and me and my brother collected those short stories ;)
When we were kids there were also those weird orange drinks in transparent bags which you drank with a straw - it was quite a feat to put this straw in the bag ;D

I remember oranżada in glass bottles and "Śnieżka" ice creams: Polish Food from the Socializm Era

And I loved to eat (or rather lick) "Vibovit" instead of drinking it ;D

Some time later, I think in the 90's there were also those candies and we ate a lot of them:

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


I don't think I remember the taste that well anymore :( But I remember I liked it :)


You mean prażynki? :) Because I think those were the only chips available in the commie times ;D You know they still sell them? :)

And before you could buy prażynki, I think, my mum fried those things when we were little:

:)


Oh yes, I still eat them :)


Yes, I remember them too :)

I remember also those frozen mashed strawberry ice creams ;)

And I loved "serek homogenizowany" ;D

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


You're right! It's called "Przysmak świętokrzyski" o_O Didn't know that! ;D
fotoforum.gazeta.pl/zdjecie/517894,2,11,przysmak-swietokrzyski.html
przysmakswietokrzyski.pl/przysmak-swietokrzyski

But I didn't see it anywhere in stores, I think :/


Hmm, something rings a bell... Tylko nie wiem, w którym kościele ;)


Yeah, but is it the same thing? I have one in my refrigerator, so I'll find out soon ;)))

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


Watched them too ;)


Collected them too ;)


I still do it too ;D


Loved them :) But that was some time later...


You didn't watch "Reksio", "Miś Uszatek", "Bolek i Lolek", etc. when you were a kid?

Pgtx, that's all I found on lody Bambino:

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


All kids did that, including me and my brother :)


I think there was something like that...

"Śnieżka" is an ice cream:
mlodelata.pl/eksponat/976/lody_sniezka

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]

My and my brother's first computer! :D
Bought for money from my First Communion ;D


I was older then ;) We had to adjust the game by turning a little screwdriver in a hole - that was a pain ;O

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


It was used to adjust those red-black stripes on the screen so you could play a game xD I'm not sure how it worked ;) Some kind of magic, I guess :P

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]



Wow, I remember this! That was fun to play! :D

I remember all of it, except for water and juice saturator and those Koto compilations...
OMG, so many memories :D


"Zaczarowany ołówek"! I liked it very much :)

This game reminds me of that cartoon:
maxandthemagicmarker.com


Wow, I didn't know about that :O
:)

"Krecik" rules! ;)

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


He-man... ;D "Na moc Posępnego Czerepu, mocy przybywaj!!!" My God, I still remember this ;D

"Sąsiedzi" is also Czech :)

Life / Things we enjoyed as kids in Poland [140]


Wait a minute, I remember that cartoon! :)

And I remember also some newer cartoon about a vampire duck who ate carrots, I think o_O and had a teleporting castle ;D
Edit:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Duckula

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]


MareGaea, you're so sure that in those myths there's no grain of truth?
Of course, I'm not saying that all Jews were communists, but considering the discrimination of Jews, they had their reasons to become communists, to welcome the Soviets and take revenge on Poles.

I'm sure communist idealogy could appeal to some Jews as it promoted, at least in theory, equality of all people. Race, nationality - it wasn't important for communists.

It also appealed more to peasants and workers than, for example, nobility.
The Soviets defeated the Nazis who wanted to kill all the Jews so it would be natural to welcome the Soviets. Some Poles welcomed them too, at the beginning.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Jews helped round up Poles for the slaughter". You mean NKVD? Well, I've seen some Russian graphs which show that Jews consisted a large group in NKVD, maybe even a majority (I don't remember) only at the beginning, in the early years of NKVD. Later it consisted mainly of Russians. I don't know any figures but I've also read that it's a myth that Polish SB consisted mainly of Jews.


Of course Poles did it. Who else? Martians? ;) It's a proven fact and I don't think you need Easy_Terran to prove you this.


I think that, surprisingly, he did that consciously ;)


The pogrom in Kielce was sparked off by a rumor that a boy was kidnapped by Jews and held in a cellar in order to be used in a ritual killing.

But that's the only case I've heard about as far as this "blood libel" is concerned. I guess it's more of the medieval times. I don't know if it was popular in the 20th century.


The fact is that pogrom in Kielce was carried out by Poles. There's no doubt about it. I was born and live in Kielce so I know better than any of you LOL

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]


Well, I'm used to this ;)
Even for some Poles in other parts of Poland Kielce have this stigma of anti-semitism because of the pogrom in 1946.


Ironside, it's a historic fact, you know? Do you even live in Poland? o_O
Mother of my university professor was a witness of what happened at that time.

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]


In the way that you are taught about this at history classes in school? :D
;)


No, she wasn't.


What doubts? The only doubts could consider whether the pogrom was inspired in some way by the communist authorities or/and the Soviets but that's just a theory and I think it's a wishful thinking and, still, communist authorities were Polish, not from Mars. It was carried out by Poles. I wish it wasn't, but it was...

History / Polish history is 100% glorious [297]


Those who did the killing.


Um... But it happened...
historia.gazeta.pl/historia/1,99553,6653228,Pogromy_Zydow_w_Polsce.html


Again, it's just another theory, no proof. The communist authorities claimed that the pogrom was inspired by the anticommunist underground, a provocation done by the government in exile and carried out by the soldiers of Anders wearing false NKVD uniforms LOL Do you buy that? ;D


Maybe in poor regions prejudices thrive more easily? I don't know.


I had my history classes in the 90's. I think 20 years was enough to discover the truth, as with Katyń.


I would be careful with calling people mongrels...