Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]

One of my best friends when I was younger was muslim-a great guy. Eventually he moved away, settled down and we lost touch.

I used to be a staunch defender for any ethnic minority-my parents were immigrants so I had an affinity with the underdog and I grew up listening to stories of how the Brits would call my parents "bloody foreigners" when they heard them speak Polish in public.

Direct experience of seeing how the muslim culture is totally incompatible with western values and society has made me change my mind. There's nothing racist about saying that some cultures just cannot mix successfully, or at least haven't been able to so far.

This is why I keep asking people "where do they live" ? If they lived in countries where the cultural jihad is in full swing then their liberal views would be tested more. If they are only getting their information from other sources then it's easy to be idealistic.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Please elaborate

Life / The etiquette of eating with a fork in Poland [8]

I should clarify further. If eating only with a fork then I also use the fork as a spoon. I was curious how people use a fork when eating with a knife

Life / The etiquette of eating with a fork in Poland [8]

Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland? [565]


No. Most muslims are silent towards the situation which is not the same thing. A BBC survey found 25% of muslims had sympathy for the attackers and that's assuming everyone answered that survey honestly.

The Irish troubles were about independence. The Loyalists wanted Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK whilst the Republicans wanted Northern Ireland to be part of the greater Republic of Ireland.

Islamic extremists do not demand anything. They simply want Islam to be the sole religion and non-muslims are seen as collateral damage.

Brits from the mainland largely saw the troubles as a local affair (politicians had to be more vocal but they at least condemned attacks when they were carried out).

Terrorism in Ireland was not carried out in the name of British people or Catholics or Protestants but in the name of the respective terrorist groups who each had their own political agendas. Often it was tit for tat honour killings with no political motive whatsoever.

You can keep throwing red herrings all day long but I can't waste much time trying to persuade the blind to see.


Yes. that is usually the case but being apathetic ONLY when acts of terrorism are carried out in your name but being vocal and demonstrating when you perceive an offence has been carried out against you is not a healthy balance.

The violence is only part of the problem and here I will try to drag this back on topic. It's the non-violent majority that are the biggest threat which is why Poland is best served with it's current policy.

If Islamic extremism ended tomorrow we would still be looking at a predominantly Islamic Europe in 50-100 years time without any bloodshed having to be spilt.

A nation's identity has always been taken for granted but identity is being eroded and people directly affected by it are wondering what do they have to do, where do they have to go to feel like they are part of France/England/Germany/Sweden

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


and would you care you elaborate on your point about Polish men being in the UK in 1941 ?

Second time I am asking now and the second time you make a point but you appear to lose interest in defending it whenever challenged.

Life / Pakistani Muslim studying at the Medical University of Lodz (racism, safety, etc) HELP [23]

@Harry

Correct. There are hundreds of Christian churches in Pakistan where you can pray for your spiritual life but have to risk your physical life in order to do so.

edition.cnn.com/2016/04/04/asia/pakistan-attack-religious-intolerance

Life / Pakistani Muslim studying at the Medical University of Lodz (racism, safety, etc) HELP [23]

@jon357

You are statistically more at risk attending a Christian church in Pakistan than attending a mosque in the UK and that's only the physical attendance at a place of worship.

It is a known fact that Christians are persecuted in many muslim countries.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

here we go again......


Someone makes a point, (a valid one) that a certain type of behaviour is more accepted in one culture than another and you attempt to deny this by making the point that because that behaviour is present in all cultures (albeit at a much lesser frequency) then the original point has to be invalid


Are you actually making the argument that the single example in Bydgodszcz supports your point ?????


I have an open mind on this. Different media sources support different views. For example, the Economist suggests that Syrians are not integrating well at all.

economist.com/news/europe/21706329-year-after-angela-merkel-welcomed-migrants-two-syrians-differ-whether-integration-can

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Johnny, I know exactly what he's doing, don't worry. That's why I'm visiting this forum more recently lately to balance the bias on certain posts. I may take issue with your point that abuse is "taught" amongst the muslim culture-I don't think it is but it is definitely more accepted.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Trust me, I am not the biggest fan of Islamisation but my views are based on reason and experience. The quran is interpreted many different ways and unlike the catholic church there is no sole authority on how the text should be interpreted. There are many good muslims who do not beat their wives. Does that mean they are rejecting the teachings of the quran ? I think not.

I DO believe there is a cultural acceptance (or "tolerance" may be a better word) of domestic abuse within the muslim community.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Source ?

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Source ? Second request.....

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


I really think we have come to a stage in our "relationship" Delpian where you should start quoting relevant sources for every claim you make.

Anyway......you are deflecting the argument and you and Harry (are you some part of a tag team ?) seem to take it in turns to employ the same strategy i.e. a person makes an observation about the Islamic culture/community and you (or Harry) then argue that because the same problem exists in Poland then the observation that certain traits/customs/tolerances within the muslim community have to be false.

I am not denying that domestic abuse exists in Poland. It exists in every country all over the world so it's not a point worth making but to suggest that domestic abuse in Poland is as prevalent in their society as it is in Islamic society is just false.


Wrong again <sighs>. First of all-please name your source. Mods-please can this be a requirement going forward if baseless claims are being made on this forum ?

In 2008 UNICEF estimated that 91% of married Egyptian women aged between 15 and 49 had been mutilated. Source: theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-egypt

Female genital mutilation is a practise common amongst muslim women. The "10% Christian women" (a figure that you mentioned) would be unlikely to have had FGM performed on them because they are..........Christian.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

@rozumiemnic

Once again, I am not denying that FGM exists within Christian communities but that does not detract from the fact that it is more prevalent in muslim women than in Christian women.

Source: who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/fgm_prevalence_egypt/en

"The girls in this study were asked for reasons to support the practice of genital cutting. Their answers included that FGM is an important religious tradition (33.4%), the practice helps ensure cleanliness for girls (18.9%), it is a cultural and social tradition (17.9%), and it promotes chastity (15.9%)."

there is evidence to support the claim that it is predominantly a religious motivation....

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


We can argue over the fine details but I do live in England and I would not describe England or urban areas within England as melting pots.

The term "melting pot" suggests integration and that is certainly NOT happening over here with the muslim community, if anything, they are becoming more divisive. Bieganski wrote a list of "race riots" which I admit are not exactly relevant but his overall point is correct.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


It's not fake news. It's fact.

Damn Trump for coining an expression that anyone can use if they choose not to believe the facts.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


What on earth are you talking about ?

Ask most people on the street in the UK and they will tell you that immigration is their biggest concern. Why do you think most people voted to leave the EU ?

Start talking sense instead of making unfounded claims just to fill your daily post quota

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


How tiresome.

Out of the people who voted in the referendum, more people voted to leave than to remain. The people who didn't vote didn't care enough to get off their backsides and cast a vote.

For you to claim that immigration "In Britain it has worked very well. No ifs, no buts. The only danger is those who are afraid of everything" is ludicrous and damages your credibility.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Well, you quoted the figure of 70% not voting. I assumed you meant 70% of the people who were eligible to vote. British citizens had a right to vote.


No they are not and I live HEREin the UK and not THERE in the UK (like yourself). You probably believe there are no issues with immigration in Germany, Belgium and Sweden too no doubt.

Not sure what your definition of "harmonious" is and not quite sure I really care to know your interpretation.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Agreed but if you live in an area where there is high immigration then presumably that makes you more qualified to discuss the merits and issues associated with immigration then someone who thinks they know better than you from watching the news or reading a newspaper.

Everything in life is subjective. If you live on the north pole you're unlikely to find immigration much of a problem. If you live in the leafy avenues of Windsor, St Annes, and hundreds of other places in the UK then you may also wonder what all the fuss is about. However, if you happen to live in the larger conurbations, Leicester, Birmingham, Blackburn, Bolton, London etc then the problems (which are real problems) will hit you in the face.

And let's be clear about this and I'd like to echo Lyzko's comment as he is 100% correct


In other words, muslims are not very successful at integrating into western societies.


Right. So it saddens you if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration has been small BUT if someone has a negative view of muslim immigration who comes from an area where immigration is high then you accuse them of "fear and impotent rage". At what point do you consider someone's else counter-opinion ? Only when it falls in line with your own ideas ?

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Why not ? Because you proclaim it is so ?

Please elaborate as to why you claim there is no such thing as a legal system in Britain..............I'll get the popcorn

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

Johnny Reb made the following claim:-

"In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system." It's not an outlandish claim to make and is rooted in fact. Source: telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html

Instead of debating the claim that Johnny made, Delphian chooses to focus on the term "British legal system" thereby choosing to ignore the point that Johnny was making and instead taking him to task and claiming there is no such thing as a British legal system.




It really depends how pedantic you all want to be and by the looks of it all three of you appear to be VERY pedantic on focusing on an irrelevant detail when the actual point Johnny made was factually correct.

There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system.
Source: oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/6-ways-british-legal-system-differs.html
Source: independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/law-the-people-that-the-british-legal-system-likes-to-pretend-do-not-exist-1137156.html
Source: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm

I hope this helps to illuminate the holy trinity of forum members who may well be three bodies in one.

Have a good night :)

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Are you denying that the expression "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ? Interesting.......


Irrelevant in terms of the point that Johnny was making. Next time, why not focus on someone's spelling or grammar and have a side debate about that rather than the original point being made ? That'll be fun, huh ?


Troll.......


Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?



Read the whole sentence-"There is no unified legal system in Britain but the legal system within Britain is commonly referred to as the British legal system"

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


That was actually just a "yes" or "no" question Harry my dear boy. Please allow me to repeat it for you. Are you also denying that the phrase "British legal system" is commonly used in the UK ?


If you mean "marital" or "martial" it doesn't really matter as I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this.

Who said that Poland didn't have religious courts ? I'd like to know who made you laugh so much.


I do live here and I do know. Where do you live again ?

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


I keep asking this question from the "holy trinity" to establish whether they have any direct experience of living in a community where muslims form a significant proportion of the population.

It's a relevant question. To be so emphatic about their opinions on immigration and the impact of it and yet to have had no direct experience of it would explain a lot.

I also find it odd that all three of them are jumping over posts en masse within minutes/seconds of each other and then all three stop posting at the same time. Very curious :)

I wonder if there are any examples of Jon, Harry and Delphian disagreeing with each other on this forum............

Anyway, now that I can see what is going on. Let's focus back on the topic.

Poland is not being racist with it's attitude towards some immigrants. It has seen what is happening throughout Europe and doesn't want to see the same thing happen on it's own soil. Of course, some people will call it racist but that doesn't make it so.

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]

@mafketis

You're wasting your time. The holy trinity have an agenda they are trying to push onto this forum. However, it is fun proving him/them wrong :)

Life / Immigration Free Poland is Not Being Racist [194]


Think we may be talking about different things :)

The "holy trinity" is the nickname for my friends, Harry, Delphian and Jon. Three minds in the one body.

Women are considered inferior to men in the muslim community (generally speaking). They don't think they are being prejudiced and the women, to a certain degree, are acquiescent to this cultural suppression of women's rights.

In Saudi Arabia, women are banned from driving because they are women. This type of medieval thinking is one example as to why Islam cannot integrate into western society.

Life / What items is Poland's market missing? [20]

Lol-your friend is right but before the circus comes to town on your post........

How about greeting cards ? They haven't really taken off in Poland as they have here in the UK.