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Joined: 20 Sep 2011 / Male ♂
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Wroclaw_666   
6 Oct 2011
Life / The nature of Polish jokes? [125]

Jokes about mathematics, mathematicians and teachers of mathematics

This is an International informatics joke... not strictly Polish, but hard to understanding for a layman in informatics theory:

There is only 10 types of people, these who understand binary and these who don't :)
Wroclaw_666   
24 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

What is your opinion about Zbigniew Brzezinski ? Is it a hero or a traitor ?

Situation here is quite complex, he was sentenced for death in Poland, I really don't know how looks his law status for the moment in Poland.
Wroclaw_666   
24 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Are you sure you are not thinking about Ryszard Kukliński?

I must admit, I have made a mistake, of course I meant Ryszard Kuklinski, sorry.
Wroclaw_666   
25 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Around 50 min before your post, I posted that I made mistake and the person I meant was Kuklinski. Brzezinski is still alive as Wikipedia says...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

Kuklinski is dead, so his status is closed and history will justice him, in my personal opinion, he was a traitor...
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

in my personal opinion your logic is pretty deficient - I'm sure you would still like to live under communism

Everyone who has different opinion than you is wrong ?:)

If you are sure that I want to live under communism, when you don't know me, you should try to bet in Lotto...

R. Kukliński betrayed people who he had worked with, that's all.
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

you know some people worked with Hitler - if any of them some day defected would you rejoice or send them in front of a firing squad - if you were caught up in some evil practices does it make sense to stay loyal who you are with in these practices (like being in mafia) - capsisci?

I don't know anyone who worked with Hitler :) The truth is that if you join to some organisation, you are aware of the consequences. Neither Hitler associates nor any coloner from Polish Army were forced to be decission person in the top of the authority. Doesn't matter if you are in Army or mafia or government or anything other. If you betray, you are a traitor... That's my opinion.

maybe you are just a simple guy who will just cover for your friends whatever they do - sure you can call it loyalty and even honour - I call it tribalism and the lack of percepiton of higher morals

Dear gumishu... this thread is not about me, so don't judge me if you don't know me. I found you are very aggressive to me, it's your only reaction to persons who have other opinion than you ?...
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

He stayed loyal to Poland.
And what's a problem with betraying traitors? I would do the same.

The problem is more complex I think, he shared secret info from one superstate to another... Look, if there is any person who shared American info to USSR, is he a hero or traitor ?:)

Take a look calmly isn't it depending on position of view ? I'm pretty sure that the opinions about traitors and heroes would be completelly different if USSR still exists and if the position of the USA is weaker :)

Isn't it ?
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Breslau_0
Where is your loyalty? Are you loyal to stronger?

I'm loyal to Poland... in any case, if Poland is strong or weak...

And where is your loyality retroDog_0 ?

There were lots of people supportig him wgen USSR was stil strong.
they were just afraid to speak.

It's true, but has no connections with Kuklinski betrayal...

The difference is that I'm not afraid to speak about it (in part thanks to him) and I'm not afraid that SB or KGB will knock at my door.
So, no, you are wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not... Nowadays ABW can knock your door :) I think methods are comparable, maybe not such brutal as in the communism times.
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Gumishu... who you are to judge me or my layolity ?...

I'm loyal with Poland, because I live here and pay f...g taxes, participate in voting, etc. What is your definition of the loyality for current times ?

As I see you only try to offence me...
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

I don't want to argue with you... I have my opinion and you have your opinion, I don't judge you, that's all. EOT.
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Yes yes... ABS is not going to knock to anyone...

If we follow your logic, then Franciszek Zubrzycki was a hero 30 years ago and now he is not. You are saying that it doesn't matter what he did, it only matters who is in charge. That is soft skull thinking.

I presented a point of view (hypothetical), if you don't understand it, I think we can't discuss, you think I'm stupid... I have comparable opinion about you... :) That's all.
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Elaborate please !

What is here to elaborate... I love my country, live here, pay taxes, work for Polish company... and have own opinions regarding politics :)
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Is it a problem to you he betrayed the Soviet Union and Polish communists?

I have different problems than Kuklinski...

I had an opinion as the majority of people writing on this thread until I had a conversation with a veteran soldier from Armia Ludowa. These people believe in what they did. The current idea is to deprave the old political system, it was not ok, that's true, but people were right. Maybe not people on the top of the authority, but people on lower positions were not (probably) involved in bad political games.

Kuklinski was a controversial person, but I think he betrayed people who he worked with.

I would like to say that I'm not a fanatic of communism, USSR, PO, PiS, PZPR and another political organisation... :)
Wroclaw_666   
26 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Do you suggest Kukliński didn`t love his country when he passed Soviet and Polish communist secrets to CIA?

As I see only you wrote it... what is the connection between my love to my country and Kuklinski's feelings ...? I don't know the intentions of Kuklinski.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

I don't want to argue with you, because many (if not all) your agruments are right but you are quoting selected sentences from my posts and comment, but don't see my general mind. There was few uprising after 1945, almost all of them was pacified by milicja or other communist military organisation. I wrote my opinion about one guy... please don't suggest to me that I glorify communism... it's really funny to me. But as I see I'm created by you as the lawyer of cummunism :) Like Jerzy Urban... what's your opinion about this man ? I would like to add that I like them, I'm still in minority ?:)

Maybe I'm not experienced by the communism, when this political system was gone, I was 12 years old, I saw the poverty in these times, empty shops etc.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

What do you mean when you say that you are loyal to Poland?

The question was about my loyality... and my answer was to this question directly, doesn't have any relation with Kuklinski, that's for a start.

If you want to know more things about my loyality or patriotism, I will answer for your questions with a pleasure:

What do you mean when you say that you are loyal to Poland?

I live here, want to stay here and want to build good Poland.

To What or to whom you are loyal specifically?

I'm not loyal with any specified person, if you expect me to specify any person, I won't, because I'm independent in my thoughts. I'm loyal with this country, I pay taxes, respect this country law.

Would a fact that Poland in times of Kuklinski's act wasn't interdependent country played no part in your loyalty?

My loyality to Poland has no connections with communism, Kuklinski, Jaruzelski, Rakowski, Kaczynski, Gorbaczow and many other persons.

I'm trying to understand your position and a little help from you would be appreciated.

I hope that I helped you to understand me.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

you like whom? Urban and Nie? well - de gustibus.. hehe - if you don't know what you like I will point it out for you - (if it is really Urban that you like) - it is cynicism - I wonder if you like Palikot too

I will tell you something... Polish politics is so boring that I think we need something funny to make our days more colorful.

Urban is outside the active politics, but his position is so strong that can bring bad emotions when his name is pronounced :) I know his black history and don't praise him because of the past, but this guy has so impartial approach for political facts (especialy current) that I respect him.

If you ask about Palikot, I think this guy is mendacious, his political party is a creation of PR (public relations), I must his presence in Sejm (his party presence) was an effect of a very good job before the elections. It's very colorful and controversial man, he is very visible amongst gray majority of Polish politicians. But he is in Sejm, and it's third power there. To be sure (I suppose) that many people voted for him because of the protestation against boring wars between PO and PiS, other words... the protestations against Polish current politics.

I saw in some other post the name of another interesting man in Polish politics, Janusz Korwin-Mikke :) I was on few his lectures, when he visited the student dorm where I used to live during studies. He is very radical person, but some of his theses are right. In general he is... funny and have no chances to be elected to Sejm.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Good. Now look at what would have happened if WW3 had broken out. Poland and Germany would have been destroyed by nuclear counterstrikes. Kukliński knew about it and tried to prevent such a situation.

Maybe yes, maybe not... I don't believe in any propaganda. If you want to discuss about Polish history, we can go for the beer and talk. I'm "an expert" in Festung Breslau :)
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Yes... it's funny... I'm still contradicting mysefl... hehe. Forum is for everyone, for people who want to discuss about politics and for those who want to force their arguments by an agressive methods. I respect it, of course. You are the next person today who wants to judge me :) 7AM is comming, probably time for us both...
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

and if you think Palikot and his bunch are anti-establishment then think again

I'm not a fan of Palikot, but I must say that he is the bigger winner of this election, isn't he ?

That's normal that Palikot didn't do it himself, that was a big work of media, it's true. But he was so controversial and visible that any TV stations want him to show. I don't care about his intentions, he will change nothing in Poland, but there will be more funny than before...
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

i'm not into funniness in politics - well actually politicians could have a sense of humour but I'm not the fan of Mr Palikot's sense of humour

Palikot needs to be funny, because he can't do anything constructive... look on his team... can they create anything serious ?:) Only chaos and muddle :) It's democracy... - the system where 2 lushes can vote down one University professor :) hehe
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

You mean you are loyal to whomever is in charge in Poland.

No.

What then you are loyal to ?land, trees, landscape, people ?
loyal to the country is too general ...

To my nationality.

To clarify: in the time of partitions to what or whom you would be loyal to ?

To Poland.

Please ask for these questions also, I would like to know something about you.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

Whats that ?
What do you mean by - loyal to my nationality. Whats that mean ?

Loyal to other Poles and to Poland, for our roots, for our tradition, that's all.

Poland didn't existed at the time.
So, my question still stand.

I have never been in the situation when Poland didn't exist formally. Probably I would fight with occupants. You must know one thing... for Poles Poland will exists everytime, doesn't matter if some aggressor occupies Poland...

huh ? Ask away !

Ask for your questions which you asked me.
Wroclaw_666   
27 Oct 2011
History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [221]

That's your opinion. Maybe would be better if you write what do you expect from me...

What would you do in that case?Support collaborators in a government because their are Polish ?

Don't suggest the answer in your question, it's rude and aggressive. I won't ever colaborate with people which are against Poland...

If you want to ask me some questions - ask away !

in the time of partitions to what or whom you would be loyal to ?

Are you Polish ?
Wroclaw_666   
1 Nov 2011
Life / Polish comedies created by Bareja, are they understandable for non Polish people ? [12]

there is a one genial scene

This movie is a miscellany of genial scenes. In general this commedy consists of many threads, which consists of few scenes at each thread. This is one big impression (parody) for the communism in PL, I believe it was hard censored, but still shows a the real face of the old system.

Stanislaw Bareja created also few another comedies in that style e.g. Miś, Brunet wieczorową porą and also serials like Alternatywy 4 or Zmiennicy. I can't imagine how can he fund and publish their movies in that time, as far as I know he fought with censors very hard. "Alternatywy 4" has been published in TV few yeard after they completed it.

Another interesting thing is that all best actors have played in Bareja's movies. I believe that everyone wanted to take a part in the parody of the hated political system.
Wroclaw_666   
3 Nov 2011
Life / Stop buying contraband in Poland! Really? [24]

It's illegal, but will exist so long as people buy smuggled goods. The problem isn't even in any poverty in my opinion. People buy cigarettes and alcohol. I'm pretty sure that at least 50% of people buying illegal goods can afford for the same goods in a shop.