Language / Having a really hard time with Polish cases [59]

Try A Grammar Of Contemporary Polish by Oscar E. Swan, page 327 - Uses of the Cases

KINDS OF CASE USES

There are too many possible noun-functions in sentences, and too few
Polish cases, for each noun-function to be associated with a specific case.
Instead, the same case may be used to express different functions, and dif-
ferent functions may be expressed not only by case-endings alone but also
with prepositions plus cases. By and large, prepositions serve to make general
case meanings more specific. As a rough characterization, one may dis-
tinguish among (a) "bare" or basic syntactic uses of cases; (b) governed uses
of cases, including especially uses after prepositions and verbs; (c) idiomatic
uses of cases, often figurative extensions of the basic case-use, used to express
adverbial ideas. For example, the Genitive case is used BASICALLY to express
noun-to-noun relationships, as in dom ojca house of father, father's house.
Additionally, the Genitive is GOVERNED (required) after certain prepositions
and verbs, as in bez wody without water-G, or s∏ucham muzyki I'm listening to
music-G. Finally, the Genitive occurs IDIOMATICALLY, as in the expressions of
dates; see pierwszego maja on the first of May.

You can find more detail in the book.

Genealogy / Polish & Prussian/German town name cross-reference. [100]

There is a name of a tree which is purely polish, i.e. spruce, sonding 100% Polish and meaning literally coming form Prussia.

This is what about the word origin says etymology:

Spruce: lit. "from Prussia," from Spruce, Sprws (late 14c.). Spruce seems to have been a generic term for commodities brought to England by Hanseatic merchants (beer, board, leather, and the tree was believed to have come from Prussia.

Also in Norman Davies's book God's playground: a history of Poland
The name of the spruce tree is supposed to derive from the Polish words z Prus 'from Prussia'

Genealogy / The last name is Krzywoszyja. Help? Am I Polish? [30]

If your polish name has anything to do with your look, then you should look like this:

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


What laws do you mean?

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

hague1cmaeron

If you mean the pre-war Poland then read this, a good discription of that time:

Only one influential Polish party, the National Democrats and their successors, were openly hostile to ‘the native foreigners in our midst’; and they were no more rabid in their views on Jewry than on Germans, Ukrainians, socialists, or gypsies. If we are to believe a leader of the Jewish Bund in pre-war Warsaw, even the virulence of the National Democrats had its limits:

… the nationalists… had great psychological and other difficulties in accepting the ideas of Fascism and Nazism…

They were not revolutionaries like the Nazis in Germany or the Fascists in Italy: they were old-fashioned reactionaries. They were active in organising economic boycotts, but they would not encourage physical pogroms. They were for a numerus clauses at the universities, but were not for closing them completely to non-Catholic, Polish citizens… They were in favour of establishing two class of citizens with different political rights, but were not for taking these rights away completely from any group.

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]

ConstantineK

During the happy day's of cooperation between Hitler and Stalin, after signing the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and before invading the Soviet Union by Wehrmacht, Mussolini perceived that the Soviet system under Stalin had become a kind of Slav fascism or crypto-fascism. And a leading Italian Fascist theoretician, Ugo Spirito, speculated on the likely synthesis of the two systems. Still, there is much to repent, to forgive, and to forget, but for you, above all, to remember!

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Pointing their finger at officers, calling them by names. How did they get to that precision? They can't even give the number of people died of starvation:

The results based on scientific methods obtained prior to the opening of former Soviet archives also varied widely but the range was narrower: for example, 2.5 million (Volodymyr Kubiyovych), 4.8 million (Vasyl Hryshko) and 5 million (Robert Conquest).

One modern calculation that uses demographic data including that available from recently opened Soviet archives narrows the losses to about 3.2 million or, allowing for the lack of precise data, 3 million to 3.5 million.

Source: Wikipedia

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Judging people, even the whole nations. Who the hell do you think you are?
God the Father or the Holy Trinity? Don't be so restless, the Last Judgment is coming soon.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Let's just call this a wild guess of mine!
No, not yet, I’m that guy you call an Einstein!!

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Once clever child going by the name of Miguel
Revealed a lesser known secret to kill me once well
Can you believe it that the famous guy, who is known as an Einstein
Was, oh no… you will be shocked, you Nazi scum, a Jew of the flock
Oh!! Can you live with that pal? He ask me at last
The question passed by, everyone's in shock
I’m Adam Kadmon - chip of the same block

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]


Do you believe Pravda? Tusk supports Greece at EU Summit

...Poland will be ready to help as well. Warsaw supports the idea of issuing euro bonds as a form of assistance to Greece as long as they are common for the whole block and not only the euro zone....

History / Heil Poland!.....? Poland is a pro-Nazi state? [105]


Though not yet a member of the euro zone, Poland has voiced readiness to participate in the effort at a level comensurate to its present capabilities.

Not even a penny. Prawdziwy Kacap z ciebie.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Green or brown are more lovely.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Green and brown are more lovely!It was objectively proved through the investigation of the German psychologist Hilde die Wasserrübe,
gemuesekiste.at/rezepte/wasserruebe.html
who devised Lovleness Quotient, or LQ. Just compare:

LQ of eyes

brown - 189
green - 134
blue - only 80

No comment.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


Sorry, I've killed the thread once again.

Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]


Hi, I think that you couldn't possibly find any better place to start to speak the language than this thread - Polish Swear Words.

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]

Glossary for foreigners wanting to learn Polish from this Polish Forum - some colourful and difficult Polish terms and phrases used here:

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]


Usuń moje nazwisko z listy twoich znajomych na Facebooku.

This actually means: delete my name from the list of your Facebook friends.

If you mean: I've just deleted your name from the list of my Facebook friends.

Then you should write: Właśnie usunęłam twoje nazwisko z listy moich Facebookowych znajomych.

Language / Polish slang phrases - most popular. [606]

I think i accidentally deleted you as a friend on facebook

Myślę, że przez pomyłkę usunęłam ciebie z listy moich znajomych na facebooku.

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

One of Irving's revisionist histories:

In 1967 Irving published Accident: The Death of General Sikorski. In the book, he claimed that the plane crash which killed Polish government in exile leader General Władysław Sikorski in 1943 was really an assassination ordered by Winston Churchill, so as to enable Churchill to betray Poland to the Soviet Union. Irving's book inspired the highly controversial 1967 play Soldiers by his friend, the German playwright Rolf Hochhuth, where Hochhuth depicts Churchill ordering the "assassination" of General Sikorski.

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Do not waste time on alleged histories of Mr. Irving. Read something real.

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Borowski was not a Jew and this was reflected in his writings. In sharp contrast with Anne Frank's type of perspective which has certain dignity with the victims and the events they endured, Borowski does away with any ideas even approaching nobility, portraying as bleak a picture of humanity as it would seem possible to paint. In his stories, everyone is debased, whether they be Nazi or Jew, for within the concentration camps the outside world modesty has been stripped away leaving only a human nature that is completely corrupt. No-one is virtuous and everyone has a degree of complicity, including Borowski himself, for his own sense of guilt shows through.

Some fragments:

Showing how the prisoners become as, if not more, morally bankrupt than the Nazis:

I don't know why, but I am furious, simply furious with these people - furious because I must be here because of them. I feel no pity. I am not sorry they're going to the gas chamber. Damn them all! I could throw myself at them, beat them with my fists.

Harrowing images. He avoids however any explicit judgmental language:

Several other men are carrying a small girl with only one leg. They hold her by the arms and the one leg. Tears are running down her face and she whispers faintly: 'Sir, it hurts, it hurts...'. They throw her on the truck on top of the corpses. She will burn alive along with them.

The guilt and bewilderment of the situation:

Why is it that nobody cries out, nobody spits in their faces, nobody jumps at their throats. We doff our caps to the S.S. men returning from the little wood; if our name is called we obediently go with them to die, and - we do nothing. We starve, we are drenched by rain, we are torn from our families. What is the mystery? This strange power of one man over another? This insane passivity that cannot be overcome?

As a truck of women are driven to their death through the male camp, they shout out:

'Save us! We are going to the gas chambers! Save us!' And they rode slowly past us - the ten thousand silent men -and then disappeared from sight. Not one of us made a move, not one of us lifted a hand.

Life that is completely devoid of any reason to hope:

Do you really think that, without the hope that such a world is possible, that the rights of man will be restored again, we could stand the concentration camp even for one day? It is that very hope that makes people go without a murmur to the gas chambers, keeps them from risking a revolt, paralyses them into numb inactivity.

The population is regularly trimmed of those whose 'useful' lives have ended, through selections:

They already knew about the selection. Secretly, they dressed their wounds, trying to make them cleaner and fewer; they tore off their bandages, massaged their muscles, splashed themselves with water so as it be fresher and more agile for the evening. They fought for their existence fiercely and heroically. But some no longer cared. They moved only to avoid being whipped, devoured grass and sticky clay to keep from feeling too much hunger; they walked around in a daze, like living corpses.

Borowski questions how justice in the traditional sense would be an adequate concept within this exceptional context:

'But do you think that they', she pointed with her chin in an indefinite direction, 'can go unpunished?' 'I think that for those who have suffered unjustly, justice alone is not enough. They want the guilty to suffer unjustly too. Only this will be understood as justice'

This idea is reinforced later as a character who talks of the hope of things returning to a civilised and just world states:

'And yet, first of all, I should like to slaughter one or two men, just to throw off the concentration camp mentality'

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Borowski

Just one information from this source:

Imre Kertész, while receiving the Nobel Prize stated that all his works were written because of his own fascination with Borowski's prose.

There is no account of Borowski being a capo. In his account of himself he is much more harsher to himself than any other opinion about him during his stay in the concentration camp. It may be due to his clinical depression after the war.

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

Schillinger - His name was usually linked with the names of Palitsch, Krankenmann, and many other Auschwitz murderers who boasted that they had personally succeded in killing with his fist, the club, or the revolver, at least ten thousend people each.

Just read about Gerhard Palitsch, first from that list.

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]


Would you also deny the talent of that man?
youtube.com/watch?v=mZ6IzDhZhoI

History / Should David Irving, Holocaust denier, be allowed to run tours to Poland? [246]

What does the ancestry of these men have to do with what they did?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Kastner
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Chaim_Rumkowski
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_dem_Bach-Zelewski
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Manstein

News / SHOULD POLAND HAVE NUKES?? [154]

What do amateur political dabblers really know about nukes, Poland and its needs? Are you gonna take part in decision making as nukes for Poland are concerned?

News / Black Haitians considering themselves as Poles [31]

From Popioły (Ashes) by Stefan Żeromski:

Oh, wyspo zdałaś się rajem gdyśmy cię z dala ujrzeli, ale szybko przyszło ocknienie, przysłali nas bunty murzyńskie tłumić. Pierwszy konsul Bonaparte nakazał niewolnictwo na powrót na San Domingo zaprowadzić. Nowa to była dla nas wojna. Raz było tak. Służyło u nas cztery setki murzynów którychśmy podejrzewali o zdradę. Co z nimi robić? Jeden jedyny batalion pana Bolesty nie utrzyma w karbach tylu murzynów i to z bronią. Puścić na wolność, to pójdą do wroga, trzymać, zdradzą. Generał Fressinet, nasz nowy dowódca, francuz rodowity, rozkazał czarnym wystąpić do apelu jak co dnia. Zwyczaj wojskowy każe do apelu stawać bez broni. Murzyni nie spodziewali się nawet. Nie upłynęło pół godziny, ani jeden nie zipał...

Watch the film below, beginning from 6:50.
...

Please provide a translation in English. You risk your post otherwise. Thank you.

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]

Polish archbishops slam plans for liberal in vitro law

Poland's Roman Catholic church appealed Monday to the country's politicians to oppose in vitro fertilization, calling the procedure akin to eugenics.

Poland has one of the lowest birthrates in the European Union and the state has been struggling to find ways to encourage families to have more children. It's an issue that takes on added urgency with a population expected to age in coming decades and a ballooning deficit that will make it harder to support the aged.

Archbishop Hoser, who heads a church council on bioethics, threatened excommunication to lawmakers who support in vitro fertilization.

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]


What is the wrong colour?