Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

Merged: Czarniecki from Suwalki, Lipsko

I'm looking for any information that anyone might have on:

- Alexjondra Aliza Andrulewicza Czarniecka; who later changed her name to Alexandria (also "Alexandra" and "Alexanderia") Alice Andrulewicz (also "Andrulevich") Czarn(i)ecki, and was the daughter of Antoni "Anthony" Andrulewicz of Katarzyna "Katherine" Margiewicza Czarniecki. Born on June 26, 1882; she immigrated from Suwałki to Ellis Island, settling in Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania. She died on April 6, 1936 and was buried on April 8, 1936.

- Julian Jan "Felix" Czarniecki (December 24, 1876 - September 11, 1922), my great-great-granddad Czarnecki. Great-Great-Granddad was the son of Antoni and Katarzyna Danilowicza Czarniecka, and the Czarniecki Family Farm was in Lisko Orliscko, Poland, Russia (now Lipsko, Poland). He claims to have been born in Suwałki; but I believe that he was either born in Lisko and was talking chai kock when he claimed "Suwałki" on his naturalization petition, or that he was born there because his mom had been born or was perhaps visiting relatives (perhaps Andrulewiczes or Margiewiczes) there.

- Antoni "Anthony J. Czarnecki, Sr." Czarniecki (October 24, 1904 - December 2, 1964) was my dad's paternal granddad and the only Czarniecki child born on the family farm. Once his parents converted themselves and him to Roman Catholicism to avoid the pogroms in Poland and Russia, and stayed Catholic to avoid persecution in America; his parents were basically done with the family back in Lisko and Suwałki, and he saw only pictures of them and whatever else a family friend named Bertha Wawrzyn would bring back when she went to visit family and friends.

- Any of the other relatives that I have mentioned; and in case you need any more proof that they were Jewish, e-mail me: I have plenty more documents to show that they were Jewish, and that the pogroms did not provide a reasonable excuse to even pretend to convert in the eyes of Great-Granddad Czarnecki's grandparents.

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  Great-Great-Granddad Julian Jan "Julian John" Felix Czarniecki
  

USA, Canada / To move back to Poland from the USA or not to move back....that is the question [119]

If you're Jewish, just take your opportunity to move to Israel before both Poland and the USA go in the tank. If I had connections in Israel, and weren't disabled (I have cerebral palsy) or unable to drive, or chicken-s__t scared to leave the USA and regret leaving later, I'd move to Israel.

Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

Looking To Connect With Some Relatives Back in Suwałki and Lipsko

I'm looking particularly to connect with anyone related to the following people:

- Katarzyna Margiewicza Andrulewicza, who married Antoni Andrulewicz. Katarzyna "Katherine" and Antoni "Anthony" Andrulewicz were born in Polish Russia prior to 1882.

- Alexjondra Aliza Andrulewicza Czarniecka (June 26, 1882 - April 6, 1936) , the daughter of the couple aformentioned. She was born in Suwałki, Polish Russia; and died in Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania.

- Katarzyna Danilowicza Czarniecka, who married Antoni Czarniecki of Lisko Orliscko (Lipsko), Polish Russia. She was, as far as I understand, born in Suwałki.

- Julian Jan "Julian John" Czarniecki (December 24, 1876 - September 11, 1922), the son of Antoni and Katarzyna Danilowicza Czarniecki, and son-in-law of Antoni and Katarzyna Margiewicza Andrulewicz. He claimed that he was born in Suwałki, but the Czarniecki Family Farm (and I don't know if it still is) in Lipsko.

- Antoni "Anthony J. Czarnecki, Sr." Czarniecki (October 24, 1904 - December 2, 1964). He was born in Lipsko, immigrated with his mom to and joined his dad in the United States in 1908, and settled in Luzerne County in Pennsylvania. He had eight siblings: Regina (1909 - June 23, 1925), Alexandria Alice Czarnecki Dombroski (September 28, 1910 - November 1978), Stanislaw "Stanley" P. Czarnecki (November 11, 1911 - July 29, 1995), Jan "John" Felix Czarnecki (August 31, 1913 - May 15, 1995), Edward "Ed" L. Czarnecki (April 2, 1915 - May 1991), Joseph "Suzy" P. Czarnecki (March 15, 1917 - September 17, 1978), Bernard "Bernie" S. Czarnecki (May 15, 1920 - 1970s), and Cecelia "Celia" R. Czarnecki Guhanick (January 5, 1922 - April 6, 1994).

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]

What's funny, though, is that a number of us were actually Jewish and hated by gentile Poles as well. So, maybe that's why Great-Great-Granddad and Great-Great-Great-Grandma pretended to be Polish Catholics: they'd rather get the rap for being "Polacks" then "k___s"; and I don't blame them. I'm not saying that calling anyone a "Polack" or even "Polak" in a derogatory sense is right; but I think that Great-Granddad pretended to be a Pole for that reason when he married Great-Grandma, a Slovakian-American gentile (though perhaps Jewish) Catholic: her parents did not like Jews too much (because, unless they were trying to dodge being Jewish as well; the Jews were the Christ-killing and unredeemed people to them, since they were hard-core Slovakian Roman Catholics).

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]

Well, "k___" is like "n_____"; and "Polak" spelled inappropriately is like using "Jew" or "Negro" (even "Black") as a pejorative. So, I don't see where your argument holds up.

News / Do Poles in Poland really feel betrayed because there won't be any US Shield? [288]

I'm not in Poland, but I have a feeling that the Danilowiczes, Czarnieckis, Andrulewiczes, and Margiewiczes who stayed behind are feeling a little sick; and some of them, like Great-Granddad Czarnecki's grandparents felt, are probably ready to choke us (ah, yes; us shaygetze Yiddish kop who were good Jews until we converted to Catholicism to avoid the pogroms. Then we fled to Ellis Island and Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania to avoid their wrath. We must really be goyische traitors to them right now.).

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

Levandovski - I'm betting that you're Jewish. "Levan" = "Levin" ?; and "Levin" is derived from "Levi".

"Dov" is "bear" in Hebrew, as I just found out. A son of a Levite bear is who you are, perhaps.

Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

castellenator

Long overdue reply, but Lipsko is Lipsk nad Biebrzą; and we're not related to that repugnant Anti Semite Stefan Czarniecki (or at least I hope not). But if Stefan Czarniecki was a Self-Hating Jew, yemach shemo!

Corrections to the previous list (as a Jew who was pretty left on my own with an exception of the help of a few relatives to help me figure out my heritage, I've learned some things since 2009):

Alexjondra Aliza Andrulewicza Czarniecka; who later changed her name to Alexandria (also "Alexandra" and "Alexanderia") Alice Andrulewicz (also "Andrulevich") Czarn(i)ecki, and was the daughter of Antoni "Anthony" Andrulewicz of Katarzyna "Katherine" MorgiewiczaAndrulewicza. Born on June 26, 1882; she immigrated from Suwałki to Ellis Island, settling in Sugar Notch, Pennsylvania. She died on April 6, 1936 and was buried on April 8, 1936.

Julian Jan "Felix" Chernetski(December 24, 1876 - September 11, 1922), my great-great-granddad Czarnecki. Great-Great-Granddad was the son of Antoni and Katarzyna Daniłlowicza Chernetski, and the Chernetski Family Farm was in Lisko Orliscko, Poland, Russia (now Lipsk nad Biebrzą, Poland). He claims to have been born in Suwałki; but he was born in Lipsk nad Biebrzą-- to be fair, in Suwałki gubernia, but still not in Suwałki City or (as far as I know) a listed shtetl. His parents left shtetl life by then.

Antoni "Anthony J. Czarnecki, Sr." Czarniecki (October 24, 1904 - December 2, 1964) was my dad's paternal granddad and the only Chernetski who lived on the family farm-- he was born in Cumań, Wolyń; now Tsuman, Volyns'ka Ukraine when his mother had visited Andrulewicz relatives around the Hilleli Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan in 1904. Once his parents converted themselves and him to Roman Catholicism to avoid the pogroms in Poland and Russia, and stayed Catholic to avoid persecution in America; his parents were basically done with the family back in Lisko and Suwałki, and he saw only pictures of them and whatever else a family friend named Bertha Wawrzyn would bring back when she went to visit family and friends.

Any of the other relatives that I have mentioned; and in case you need any more proof that they were Jewish, e-mail me: I have plenty more documents to show that they were Jewish, and that the pogroms did not provide a reasonable excuse to even pretend to convert in the eyes of Great-Granddad Czarnecki's grandparents.

Love / How do Polish boys feel about foreign girls? [163]


And if you're an Ashkenazic Jew from Poland, chalilah o b'tzlacha-- it doesn't happen or you're out of luck! My Lipsk nad Biebrzą-born Anusi great-granddad learned the hard way when his Bose-born ima Anusi'ah, Aleksjondria Alicja Andrulewicza Chernetska, almost sent my American, Slovakian-Polish-American-born great-grandma to the mental institution. Long story short, he got Mary M. Trudniak of Ashley, PA pregnant and chalilah that he would marry that Kacwiner's daughter (Her dad was born in Kacwin as, as far as we know, a goy m'Slavavakh.).

USA, Canada / What do Poles think about drinking raw milk? In America, unpasteurized milk is PROHIBITED. [49]

Unpasturized milk isn't prohibited for private use and consumption-- i.e., if you own a farm, diary, etc. and drink the milk yourself. I unfortunately have an acquaintance who drinks unpasturized milk.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


Dwarim (Dvarim) 9:4-21 speaks to this very issue.

Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

The organizations did help me realize that Great-Great-Grandma most likely concocted "Antoni" and "Katarzyna" for generic-name coverups once she and Great-Great-Granddad converted-- unless they assimilated, which they probably did. As I had to remind one organization per their curtness:

youtube.com/watch?v=KFp5-WhQIEQ


Or could "Margie" or "Morgie" be as in "marginal", "marge" in Polish? "Margolis", though... wow, I didn't think about that. Anyway, toda for proving that I'm lo meshuga. I mean, I know that I'm a Żydówka, but nobody in the family wants to tell me. Meanwhile, could "Daniłowicz" indicate that I'm of b'nei Dan?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

łłPolonius3


Doesn't "o" actually indicate a Jewish surname? i.e., for a Yiddish (Jidisz) suffix such as in "Daniłowicz"? At least as opposed to "-czyk", it did.

Genealogy / Poland Genealogy Resources [130]

Why did nobody suggest JewishGen?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

Merged: More Queries, Trudnak or Trudniak,,,

Trudnak or Trudniak, or Trudnyak (possibly Friedniak)-- in £apsze Niżne and in Kosice, Slovakia (no Jewish origin known of)

Monka-- £apsze Niżne (Jewish)

Focko-- Radom and Kielce, Warszawa, Lódz, Iwieniec, etc. (Jewish). Connected to Zlata Idka and Kosice Fockos (Foczkos)

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

Well, "Focko" has a non-accented "c" and I knew that "Monka" is the Ashkenazic Jewish, Slavic equivalent of "Miller". But thanks. Meanwhile, I'm wondering if there are any Fockos, etc. on the forum here.

Genealogy / Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz [77]

Point taken, but we sure don't mumble in my family.


Well, in our case, what happened was that the Fockos (Foczkos) on our side converted to Slovakian-Hungarian Catholicism. The Polish Fockos (Foczkos) remained religiously Jewish.

What about Andrulewicz or Andrulevich? In other words, could it be broken into "Andru" (From the Lithuanian for "Andrew") and "Lewicz" ("Levitch", "ben-Levi"; in other words, "Levite")?

Life / Why are Poles always so miserable? Why do they never smile? [512]


If the theory that at least 75% of Poles is Jewish or has Jewish ancestry is true, here's why:


As a Jew with Diaspora connections to Suwałki, Białystok, Sejny, Lipsk nad Biebrzą, etc.; I know of what I speak.

Life / Why are Poles always so miserable? Why do they never smile? [512]

Why aren't Sabra'im and olim frowning? Because they're home. Galutim aren't so lucky.

Life / Why are Poles always so miserable? Why do they never smile? [512]


If they're Yehudim, ken.

Life / Why are Poles always so miserable? Why do they never smile? [512]

PlasticPole


Ken (Yes)!


- Yes.
- That's the plural.
- Yes. The singular is "ol". It could well come from that making alijah (aliyah) is a micwah (mitzvah) per Jeremiah 8:1-6, a kind of (if you will) penei.org/words-ol-yeshua.shtml

- Yes.
- Oy! That could be a pun, too.
- Yes.

My dad and his parents, back to at least their great-great-grandparents on some sides were more interested in their Diasporan tongues.

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

Polish. If he is Jewish, though, I would not be surprised--maybe shocked, but not surprised. Many P'rushim Anusim follow the Talmud in secret; and P'rushi Judaism is part of why more and more Jews have become secular or even outright Atheist, Buddhist or Hindu (i.e., "BuJews" and "HindJews"), or even Messianic over the years (though some Messianics still rely heavily on the Talmud).

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

@Ironside

PWEI accused you of being a bigot. And anyway, why else would you have brought it up? Either you're Jewish like me, you noted the Talmud angle, or you're an Anti Semite. As a Jew, I looked up if Sandusky was Jewish (I'm not going to lie.). Meanwhile, if he is Jewish and followed the Talmud in secret would not surprise me--and anyway, Sandusky's near non cooperation with the police and manner in the NBC interview, and Joe Paterno's dropping the ball set Sandusky's fate.

Here's my hope, meanwhile: that Sandusky is Jewish is actually the case, Judaism, the Talmud, and Crypto Judaism are looked long and hard at; and the prophecy is fulfilled: "And I will cause the captives of Judah and the captives of Israel to return, and will rebuild those places as at the first. I will cleanse them from all their iniquity by which they have sinned against Me, and I will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned and by which they have transgressed against Me." (Jeremiah 33:7-8, NKJV)

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

I'm a Jew and I don't practice Judaism. We Jews are and will always be an 'am, an ethnos, a people first.

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

And when some of them do, they want to choke us for revealing it or for finding out and telling them. Case in point, my granddad murdered my great grandma for revealing family secrets (and her dad was born in Kacwin as a gentile Catholic, and her mom was £apsze Niżne-born Anna Monkowá Trudniak)--can you imagine when what he'd've done if she knew and/or revealed that we were Jews on her side as well?

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

But the surname does sound suspect to many, and the Talmud is chock full of pedophila. For example, Jewamot (Yevamot) 55b and Ketubot 39a--specifically one that applies to Sandusky:

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

You should see my blog stats. Plenty of people have searched whether the Sanduskys are Jewish.

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

The point is that they're inquiring to see whether or not he's Jewish. By the way, in some cases:


4crests.com/sandusky-coat-of-arms.html

USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]


Thank G-d that he isn't Jewish as far as we know. Incidentally, I'm a Polish-Ukrainian-Russian, Slovakian-Austrian-Hungarian Jew with Irish blood. If he and Sandusky were Jewish--oj, what a mark on my people!

History / Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine [106]

My dear Lewi, awinu Ja'akow had red hair as did his brother, Esaw. We probably gave red hair to many Khazars who mixed into 'aminu.