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Posts by Sokrates  

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Sokrates   
13 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Rubbish, Russia dominating the energy sector will terrorize Europe with its resources like it does now, this is why we oppose it and use the ecology card, since Germans apparently lack the imagination and agree to make themselves dependent on a partner thats so unstable.
Sokrates   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

The fact is that Germany pursues an unreasonable and destructive policy, Russia is not a stable and trustworthy partner, its foreign policy of bullying and blackmail is nothing short of barbarism.

I have nothing against Germany assuming the role of European leader if it behaves responsibly, moronic actions that make Europe dependent on Russia are not responsible and should be opposed with all tools available or the consequences will be severe to the entire Europe Germany included.
Sokrates   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Norway, Poland, Georgia, increased use of nuclear power.

Really!

Making Russia a country we ought to be dependent on is extremely dangeous and unwise, they've proven that in the past few months.
Sokrates   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Europe will anyway be dependent on somebody's natural resources, id est on some particular country. If not Russia then anybody else but I'm afraid that won't make them (resources) for you:

True but not on Russias, if they treat their law protected deals as bargain chips that means nothing will stop them from doing it in the future.

- cheaper
- guaranteed

Russian resources are no longer cheap and the price is growing and sources such as Norway are safer, there's no guarantee ever.

I see it otherwise, Russia instigated the conflict but Ukraine is to blame too, the point is that Russia could have played it differently, it could start alternate routes through Belarus for example but it didnt, Ukraine can afford to be irresponsible, Russia is a bigger country its actions have greater repercussions and as such more is expected of it.

The more power the more responsibility.
Sokrates   
14 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

She did. Seriously, or elsewise you would suffer a stronger deficiency. The problem is that the route through Belorussia technically can't ensure needs of all customers.

Eventually she did because people responsible for this mess realised they're not only playing with our gas but also with their economy but it also shows another dangerous thing, whoever pulls the strings in Russia now has little imagination as to consequence of his actions and thats bad.
Sokrates   
15 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

You overestimate Norwegian resources, costly resources.

You overestimate Russian resources, costly and coming from an unstable supplier.

You cannot blame Germany that Poland don't use its own resources or blocking nuclear plants

No longer, you ought to read the press its officiall that we're getting at least two nuclear plants, Germany is going to become a place of redistribution and from there Russia will work to make us totally dependent on its resources, we do not want that and we're fighting that with all possible means.

Germany is utterly lacking imagination in this venture.

If Russian oil would not be cheap then Orlen and Lotos would be more active in searching other suppliers.

Its still cheaper but its getting more and more expensive quickly gaining on market prices, its a question of few short years.
Sokrates   
15 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Poland doesn't use so much of oil or gas to be worried.

You're right we dont use gas, we're cooking our meals by burning our socks, of course Poland uses lots of gas! Our energy grid is mostly coal based but our heating is gas based, we could never cover our own needs via coal only.

We have enough gas to supply ourselves ( possibly as much as Norway has ) but its much much more expensive to extract, i completely agree about going nuclear though.

Please... They were talking the same 15 years ago, 10 years ago and 5 years ago. They are liars.

Russian resources are well documented and the cheapest on the market.

Not for long, the price has been steadily growing for the past few years.

They ? I dont know who are "they" but i know that in the march of previous year financial time had a large article together with juicy statistics showing how russian gas is getting more and more expensive for the last 3 years and how its bound to reach and exceed the market price sometime 2012-2013.

Russians are either friendly or don't give a sh!t about you... and the second option is what I'd worry about, if I were you Princy.

No no he is quite correct, Russians want Poland, they also want our natural deposits of socks and mittens.
Sokrates   
15 Feb 2009
News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

Private companies of chemical industry in Poland are not interested to buy much more expensive gas from Norway.

Lesser have you read what i told you ? In a few years Russian gas is going to cost as much if not more than the Norwegian one, the smart thing to do would be to build a couple of nuke plants and start thinking about mining our own deposits which are among the largest in Europe.

Ukraine heating system is based on gas, Polish in opposition to your claims is based on coal (even in Gdansk!). This is cheaper solution.

Uh...no ? Poland is using gas for heating both in private and commercial sectors, we're using coal in power generation.

Regardless our economy is still heavily dependent on gas and unable to be fully sustained by coal so the point is moot, the moment we're dependent on Russia is the moment we're screwed.

According to the geological surveys and prognostics we have a 70 year long supply of gas, its very deep and extraction is very expensive but we should either prospect from more available sources or start developing cheaper extraction technologies.
Sokrates   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Polish 'Blueys' also helped Jewish ghetto police

Of course you should mention that polish "blue pollice" would get executed down to a man if it refused, it wasnt exactly willing.

Also blue police did not help directly in the crimes, even Nazis knew that Poles couldnt be made to do some of the things they did.

Fiish, if you are Jewish you might want to drop the subject unless you have a thick skin as many will deny the Jewish Holocaust happened at all.

There is no question that it happened however Jews do overplay the numbers killed and intentionally lower the numbers and significance of murdered goys.
Sokrates   
18 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Bereza Kartuska concentration camp

You mean Bereza Kartuska PRISON which at the height of its activity house around 7000 people 4500 ukrainian activists from OUN who were sent there for being extremist separatists and the death toll was 17 people in total attributed to natural causes and diseases ?:)

The conditions there were harsh but it was FAR from being a concentration camp.
Sokrates   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Food in Poland was expensive due to confiscations, farmers had families to feed too therefore the smuggled food could not be free of charge, smugglers were heroes risking their lives to feed Jews, the punishment for smuggling food was death.

Harry/Sjam claims it was a bad thing to smuggle a scarce resource that could not be simply donated since there wasnt enough around even for Poles.
Sokrates   
20 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

"Is use the term 'Polish concentration camps' illegal in Poland? I have never heard this before and wondered if you might know if there a law that bans the use of 'Polish concentration Camps'?"

Ask them about "defamation of the polish nation" and the case of "Najwyższy Czas" from November 2007 where they incidentally did use the term concentration camp in regards to Bereza Kartuska and then hire better lawyers :)

Lets talk about British concentration camps run by British which were in fact even worse than Nazi camps in many respects :)
Sokrates   
20 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

Well we're going to check this in practice since i'm before going to have a beer i'll sidestep to our local police office, i called them this morning seeing as board moderation is twiddling its thumbs and not reacting and you're having fun.

The lady patched me through to the industrial crimes office which takes care of internet crimes and such and i presented my case, the official name of the camp is "obóz internowania" and calling concentration camp is seen as defamation.

So here's what we gonna do, i'm going to drop by them and report what transpired here and then you can keep us up to date, if for example in the coming weeks the law doesnt come after Harry that means our police doesnt know squat about our own laws since they claim its a crime and i was wrong as well.

Best way to find out mr racist is in practice :-)

Also defamation of the Polish nation is a crime and subject to criminal code rather than the civil code, its punishable by prison ( usually in suspension ) rather than fees.

Since this forum is representative towards foreigners i feel that i should go out of my way to stamp out anti-polish sentiment of people posting here with express desire to defame and insult polish posters.
Sokrates   
20 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [625]

And I'd love the publicity too.

What publicity ? I'm not involved, anti-polish crimes are taken care of administratively so i'll count on you keeping us up to date, you might also reread your previous posts with "polish racists" and so on before you go on being arrogant and overconfident :)
Sokrates   
25 Feb 2009
Love / English Men vs Polish Men [207]

Well last time i tried to give ze lady a bunch of flowers i was rewarded with "man they're trees!" so this year she got a dead pigs head in a cheap cardboard box filled with used condoms and a card "thats for fucking with my ego woman".

While i dont like Harry, generalizations and dirty socks i need to concur, Poland is one of the last places in Europe where offering a woman a seat or opening door for her is common.
Sokrates   
26 Feb 2009
Love / They seem nice, but could Polish girls be "gold diggers"? [196]

IF what you're writing is true you're a king, no not a king a fucking GOD of suckers.

Howeverrrr i'm inclined to think you're full of it since unless she was your wife or had any input into those things she's after she has no right to them and no legal aid would take the case.

But what I don’t understand is how she can get legal aid

If you paid for that stuff, have proof of transactions and she did not have any input into their purchase she's not getting a penny.
Sokrates   
26 Feb 2009
Love / They seem nice, but could Polish girls be "gold diggers"? [196]

The w (wife) word means she has got claims on everything!

Got the impression she wasnt his wife? But if she is...yeah he's fucked.

He's well and truly fucked, thats why before we say yes, my better half and i we're going to have our income separated so if shit ever hits the fan neither of us (me) doesnt end up stark naked.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Exactly, what utter garbage!! Russia's invasion of Georgia? Excuse me, that was a set-up and Saakashvili attacked first. He badly miscalculated and this has been acknowledged by many commentators.

I hope thats sarcasm Sean, while i completely agree that Saakashvili fucked up Russia did use his fuck up as a pretext and thats dangerous because they've seen world wont rase a finger so the next excuse might be far lighter.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Well i'm not biased on this issue, lord knows there's enough bias in me but i think you know on which issues :)

Pretext? No, they acted and they left

Nope, they're still very much there.

The world was caught in its own opportunistic lie. No sarcasm there, sorry.

The fact is that Abchazja and Osetia are closely related with Georgia and while they didnt want to be parts of Georgia they definitely didnt want big brother to help them, of course Russia didnt ask them since it wanted to block a potential pipeline and its troops are stationing there despite official withdrawal.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Obama is an anti-military Leftist, determined to undo things his predecessors did in this area and is already making noises about becoming friendly -“reestablishing relations”- with Iran and Russia …at the expense of our friends who count on our protection…

You mistake US presidents with people who make actual decisions, Bush for example was a redneck who needed a red and blue diagram not to smear shit over his ass while wiping, there's advisors and people behind the face who make the decisions, presidents in US are little more than faces.

I do not believe this is part of a larger effort. I suspect this may prove to be the entire effort.

In this particular case yes, however i believe that US will invest quite a lot into Poland in the immidiate future.

reestablishing relations”- with Iran

Iran was (despite constant stream of merry bullshit by Ahmedejinah) never against US in any but purely demonstrative way.

and Russia …

USA is not interested in dialogue of equals with a potential rival so stop deluding yourself, Americans will give Russia the finger at every step of the way.

…at the expense of our friends who count on our protection…

There's a polish saying, "if you cant count, count on yourself" US of A is a selfish bitch and rightly so, thats the way diplomacy works but i do believe that all of the above is implausible, USA has significant political gains in making Poland strong and is likely to invest in it, if not? Well thats US loss really.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

The missile shield was a provocative measure and is really not needed.

Actually you see it in completely wrong context, its not protection, its a gesture, a signal if you will.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Yes. But their job is to advise and decide with respect to their boss’s agenda on a matter. Different agenda, different advice and decisions. And he still gets the final say.

I seriously doubt that, i believe that there's a long running agenda and political continuity and presidents only add or substract in respect to it in a relatively small way.

For example invasion of Iraq was ALL about oil (stealing it in food for oil programmes and so forth) and i doubt that was Bushs idea, more likely that it was more or less subtly suggested to him.

I didn't say it wasn't a signal, I believe that it is. Provocative in the sense that it was pushed through despite the Russians seeing it as being provocative.

Russians use terms like provocation like a serial rapist uses a kidnapped teenager ie whenever they feel like it, ultimately such a middle finger to them is a positive thing for Poland since it furthers us from their zone of influence.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

This wasn't really altruistically done in the name of the Polish interest

However it was in the Polish interest, despite not being altruist.

was to further America's strategic stronghold in global expansion and also to get an important foothold under, guess what, a pretext.

Sean lets face it, Europe is a bunch of cynical fuckers who would sell Poland out without a second of consideration, they did it twice in 1939 and in Yalta, our politicians have no illusions as to the value of NATO or EU, if USA chooses to invest in Poland in its own interests then lets have them do it, it doesnt matter if Poland gets stronger as part of US plot what matters is that Poland gets stronger.

Those Patriots are completely irrelevant by themselves but i see them as a beginning of pro-polish effort that might do for us what it did for Japan, Germany or Korea and such investment is worth more than a thousand EUs or NATOs.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

It'd've been interesting to see if you'd've still 'LOL'd' if they had actually set the missiles in Kalingrad.

They would not, Russia does not disclose how many operational launchers it has but i'm betting with the state of their nuclear stockpile, not many, also that would aggravate Baltic Republics, Ukraine, even Belarus, those are the countries that would really hate seeing Russia go active, there was a LOT to lose in terms of political capital for Russia there.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

This is Kaczyński-style thinking.

No sir, Kaczyński is a moron who would antagonize Russia because he's a little twat ridden with inferiority issues and as a means to appeal to the more simple electorate that swallows anti-german, anti-russian and anti-corruption slogans whereas i ...

Let's have a dig at Russia and open old wounds that have been healing.

... believe that in great diplomacy actions require a valid reason and a purpose, improving relations with Russia above a certain level is not possible without submission, aggravating them seriously takes far more than a defence shield.

The shield showed Russia that we're ready to defy and oppose them, remember that russian goverment operates in a simple weak-strong polarity, submissive nations get used in the worst ways, too bold nations get subdued (Georgia) whereas moderately independent nations have hopes of maintaining relatively normal relations.

The shield is such a path of moderation russian rhetoric notwhistanding.

Another point, where was Poland's individual initiative in implementing plans for its own security? Do you really need America to be the big brother for you?

Not at all but we need to bolster polish position in central Europe by first improving our economical, political and military standing and at a later stage turning towards smaller/weaker nations like Ukraine, Hungary or Romania since Western Europe is in our situation only a paper supporter in times of the true crisis.

So milk the West while we can, get used by US if it wants to use us and then with improved strength turn to the thus far overlooked part of Europe where our true political capital and potential lies.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

I suspect as a result many nations have come to rely on America to provide such things for them that they themselves could do if they wanted to undertake such an initiative. After all, why take on such expense if someone is offering to do it for you?

No one relies on America however Poland is the only significant supporter next to UK and many nations around us look as to what are we going to do next.

If Europe remains peacefull than Poland will join the big 3 (Germany, France, UK) within the next 20-30 years but US needs that voice much much earlier, no one relies on US its US that will grow to rely on Poland if it hopes to retain its influence in Europe.

Important bit is to understand that if US is going to help out Poland become a fully self supporting strong player thats only because this situation is furthering US goals, so its not exactly a hand out.

Often politics are a reflection of common social interaction, just on a grander, international scale.

Only in the age of kings and great leaders, in times of democracy when its much less personalized its a much more complicated process.

I ask again, Sokrates. Where is the perceived threat? Who are you protecting yourselves against with this shield? All I've seen in your last few posts has been talk of Russo-Polish relations.

Sean at the moment there is no threat however there will be, unless you are willing to bet that Europe is stabilized for good, building our political, military and economical standing in anticipation of the threat is done so much better when its still not there.

Some sort of conflict with Russia is a foregone conclusion, Eastern Europe and Russia have simply to many colliding goals and interests to maintain status quo for much longer, the question is when will the conflict begin, what will be the sides and what form will it take.
Sokrates   
1 Mar 2009
News / US to deploy Patriot missiles to Poland [405]

Ukraine will be more pivotal than most people think.

Actually Ukraine will be the reason for the next regional war ( or lack of thereoff ) depending on what they decide in the Black Sea issue.