Posts by Sasha

Sasha

1 Aug 2008

Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]

I would be happy to get that to know as well, but I guess these ending derives from the case of initial noun (that's the feature of slavic languages).

Let me explain that with some Russian last name. For example "Ivanov". The sense of it is "Ivan's son", although -ov doesn't mean "son", that's just an ending that results as an answer on the question "whose".

- Whose's this son? (Chey eto sin?)
- That's the Ivan's son. (Eto Ivanov sin)

And so on... :) I guess Polish language uses the same logic. Anyway... somebody should enlighten me on this issue.

Sasha

1 Aug 2008

Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]

i was told that Wicz was a Jewish ending? by the way it looks... i maybe wrong?

Yeah, sometimes. Abramovich is a good example. :)

my mother always says that people whos surnames end with -wicz (stankiewicz, markiewicz etc.) have roots in Ukraine.

Mostly in Belorussia but also in (the) Ukraine. :))

Sasha

4 Aug 2008

Food / Pierogi recipe and filling from my grandmother [179]

I don't actually know what's the difference between pierogi (we call 'em "pelmeni" in Russian) and "vareniki" (derives from the verb "varit'"=to boil), but traditionally last ones are stuffed by jam (cherry, plum etc.) or curd, cheese, whereas first are always stuffed with a meat.

Once I bought in a European Shop (it's a place where ukranian and polish guys sell mostly Russian goods) in the US Polish pierogi, they were delicious. :)

Sasha

27 Aug 2008

Language / -ski/-ska, -scy/ski, -wicz - Polish surnames help [185]

The "-wicz" ending in Polish

I didn't quite understand. You guys have it only at the end of your last names or you have patronymics as well? How does your name show up in passport?

but you still haven't explained the origin of the ETC ending ;)

I think it's like an answer on the question "whose". For instance my first name is Alexander (Sasha is a diminutive) and my father's name is Sergey. Whose am I? Answer "Sergeevich". Eventually I'm Alexander Sergeevich (almost like Pushkin).

Sasha

27 Aug 2008

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

Don't take it seriously. It's quite the same as saying every Pole keeps a Mongolian or Jew inside.

Sasha

28 Aug 2008

Genealogy / Mongolian the Golden Horde - do Poles have Mongolian ancestry? [256]

story was passed down from my great great grand parents who came from the Ukraine.. so im trying to find out about it lol

I simply meant that

yeap, every ukrainian has one little mongol inside.

was a crap.

Are you trying to find out who are you genetically? Then DNA-test is an appropriate solution.

Sasha

8 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Interesting. However it's good to know alternative views on most of the events.
I didn't know it was only Polish-Lithuanian army that won the Grunvald battle. :))) Something new for me...

Sasha

8 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Sean there's no need to argue on that. Every government writes the history the way it wants, Poles and Russian will always more or less agressively prove diametrically opposite points. That doesn't mean yours or ours is truthful enough.

Sasha

8 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

there's many things you don't know.

You certainly know everything, the most educated pshek ever, your system is not propagandistic, history textbook are perfect and vodka better than Russian. Now keep the good mood till going to bed. ;)

you ruskas were drop in the ocean :)

You better say there were no russkies at all... well... there were some but they were put into flight as only battle began.

Sasha

8 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Grigory, ask yourself is there any source you're able to believe in that provides us with other, tweaked figures? I guess no, since it's all about your personal belief.

Therefore let's stop on your last thought

if this makes you any good. :)

Sasha

22 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Actually no

"Actually"... I like it. The best argument. :) I only needed this word to finally believe in your version.

Also please refrain from anti-polish sentiments or i will contact the moderator and get you banned.

Boy, you better have some pity and don't get me laugh. :)))) Judging by your responses to people in other threads I may tell you yourself are the worst anti-polish sentiment ever.

ukpolska

Thanks, friend.

Sasha

22 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

Russian version sounds simple: We've won all battles and liberated all of you.

C'mon... you're putting it too positive. Why not to mention here that at least not all the Russians think in this manner. Good to mention as well that's not a specific feature of Russians to overestimate deeds of their country along the history, this inheres in all the nations.

Sasha, I'm genuinely interested in Russian version of the event.

Matyjasz, versions are different and I'm not familiar yet with the one that convince we[Russians] won the battle. I'm prone to perceive it as the best piece of slavic unity, since I can't know for sure what really happened there. Unfortunatelly I failedto find the most detailed description which I read maybe a year ago. Hopefully I'll find it and translate some parts of it with the description of Russian (and tatar btw) contribution.

Sasha

22 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

His views are often racist and blatantly anti-polish, would you like me to find some quotes where Sasha expresses his "views" ? I'm pretty sure if brought to mods attention they would not go unpunished, the guy is simply an anti-polish bugger.

Yes please. :) It's interesting for me which of my words might be read as "racist" and "anti-polish".

It is not surprise for me. You can find a lot of his unfounded "views" about other European countries and other kind of lies here throughout this forum...

You call "Saakashvili" another European country, Geolog? :)

His posts make us laugh

May I be sure you can read? ;)

Sasha

23 Sep 2008

History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [169]

As Russians use to say: vot ti daiosh, vania ti bliad

Oh please... don't spam the thread with that illiterate nonsense. If the only thing you know in Russian is swearing, then I condole with you. I've never heard of the expression you came up with.

I believe Russian society deserves better president not those xenophobic ones

I absolutely agree with you. 100%. I'm free, not binded and that's not problem for me to admit that putin and medvedev are far from being perfect. But the point is that you're not ready to admit Saakashvili is much worse and simply destroy your society, originality and your cultural values.

Unfortunatelly I couldn't manage to see any scent of soberness in your posts. Neither could you in my posts, I believe which is logical. Your mates are "nashi".

If you know any other sources/version then please share with us. I'm sure we will enjoy them

I'm still trying to find the most detailed version which I remember I read.

Sasha

13 Oct 2008

Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

No worries here. I used to think it was bad. Now I think it's just another slavic feature. Just part of the whole picture. It's completely similar to Russia. I hate it every time ater the US then get used.

Sasha

16 Oct 2008

Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]

odpierdolić

Interesting. Russians use this word in the same meaning as Poles but I've never thought before of its origins. Seems like we borrowed it from you with "kurva".

Sasha

21 Oct 2008

Genealogy / Last Name: DOWGIALLO from Poland [44]

Eva, Dowgiallo is an ancient Lithuanian noble clan. The last name is pretty popular here in Russia and in Lithuania.
UPD: I can provide you with some history of the last name but it's all in Russian.

Sasha

23 Oct 2008

Food / Healthy polish food? [134]

Btw. so much healthy food in the US and yet so many hogs walking in the streets and driving (or being driven) around. How come?

I think you move more than average american. Many americans have big backs and crooked legs, I think that's because they start driving a lot too early while their bones are not thoroughly formed. Secondly I would prefer a lard or some other food (maybe not so healthy but still natural) to american artificial burgers.

Sasha

10 Nov 2008

Genealogy / Last Name: DOWGIALLO from Poland [44]

Thank you, Sasha. My Russian is not great, but I would like to try it with the information you have. Please post it here or in "Private Message". Thanks!

rulex.ru/01050533.htm

Довгялло - is Russian spelling of your name. The info is very brief.. so here it is (in my translation).
Dowgiallo is a lithuanian noble clan. In XVI century it was splitted up into several branches, adopted following crests Abdank (Абданк), Zadora (Задора), Dzyalosha (Дзялоша), Plomenchik (Пломенчик). One of the branches is spellt Mingaylo-Dowgyallo (Мингайло-Довгялло), another were initially named Dowgyallo-Zavisha (Довгялло-Завиша) and then just "Zavisha".

rulex.ru/01080047.htm

Clan Dowgyallo included in VI and I parts of genealogic books of Vilensk, Vitebsk, Kovensk, Minsk and Saratov's guberniyas.

What you might have been interested in are the genealogic books mentioned in the last sentence but I'm afraid there's no way to find them online. But I think this can shed a light on the origins.

Captain Igor Dyagalo . Could "Dyagalo" be a Russified version of the surname "Dowgiallo"?

His name is spellt Дыгало in Russian. It's a Ukranian last name. Doesn't really have anything to do with your last name.

Sorry I didn't notice your post earlier.

Sasha

20 Nov 2008

Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

In Russian we also use word "kapusta" as a slang word for "money" and some do say to kids that they were either found in the kapusta or brought by "aist" (stork).

I wonder if you guys have a in Polish a legend (mostly spreaded among girls) that eating cabbage makes your breast grow?

Sasha

20 Nov 2008

Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

if this legend is popular in russia i belive that russian girls must fart a lot

Cabbage is not a pea. :) It shouldn't be too farty.

I haven't heard about that one, but there is a belief that cabbage leaves can be used to alleviate some pain which on occasion is experienced by breastfeeding mothers

Maybe it indeed contains something...

Sasha

20 Nov 2008

Food / Do Polish people really love cabbage ?? [78]

Hmm... While cooking borsch (some like beat soup) I add lots of cabbage in there. :) I didn't notice any fatal consequences.

Sasha

24 Nov 2008

Life / Do Russians and Poles get along? [53]

You will go to Russia they will find out you are Polish they will think you are a spy and kill you!

Joke, right?

Wladyslaw, normal educated Russians have friendly and (or) even fraternal attitude toward Poles. Nobody is safe of course from hostile attitude but it's an exception rather than a rule. You don't have to worry if you come to Russia...

Can't say anything for sure about Polish attitude... but it seems to be worse judging at least by the topics.

Sasha

28 Nov 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

I finally decided to implement plans I've brooded over for some time... According to the web page of "Russian Poles" there're now about 95000 of Poles in Russia, half a million people of Polish origins and 1/7 of overall population has had Polish ancestors. Of course with such a great size, the Poles should have had a significant impact on Russian culture, language and art as parts of it, politics, our international image, policy, science on the whole and genetics in the long run. I've made some inquiries on Polish persons in Russian history and the result was rather unexpected even for myself, since it was a surprise to learn of Polish ancestors of some for instance Russian poets who I considered perfectly Russians (well.... that's certainly in case we can speak about Russian nation as of something completely determined in terms of genetics). So in this thread I'm planning to occasionally post the brief biography with a picture (optionally) of "famous Russian Poles". By the aforesaid term I mean people who meet following criteria:

1) They're more or less Poles: means they're either have Polish parent(s) or have Polish ancestors to no-matter-which generation.
2) They put themselves on record of Russian history, contributed, had a significant impact on Russia or vice versa were affected by Russia(ns).
3) I don't pay any attention to the fact if his/her contribution was/is good or bad from any point of view.
4) I don't nitpick in terms of his exact nationality (being partially Jew for example is ok).

These criteria are surely not final and to be edited, as I entirely realize things which are interesting for me, can be arid for you guys. Anyway I planned that following the logic "If I were the Pole, I'd be very interested in what my people's done for those "pesky Russians" being practically part of Russians". :)

You're all welcome to express your desires, (dis)like (so that I may stop or proceed) on that and of course don't hesitate to ask if you want to learn more about one or another person from any Russian sources. Please feel free as well to make any comments or to correct me, particularly if it's about spelling of Polish names.

2mods: I wasn't 100% sure on where to place the thread, so if you think any other will be better please move it there.
That's probably it for now. Let's start...

Adam George Chartorisky/(Rus Cyrillic) Адам Ежи Чарторыльский/
(Pol) Adam Jerzy Czartoryski (January 14, 1770, Warsaw - July 15, 1861, Paris area)

Some from Russian sources in my translation:
hrono.ru/biograf/chartory.html

Russian and Polish statesman, writer, Maecenas, sponsor of Vilnius Imperial University
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnius_University

Since 1795 he and his brother have lived in Saint Petersburg, was on close with Alexander I, has been a minister of foreign affairs in Russia for two years (1804-1806). As he said his basic goal was to create the better conditions for Polish independence restoration. For this purpose in 1805 he came up with the project of seizure from Prussia and Austria of originally Polish lands with their following annexation to ex-Polish (at that time Russian) territory. In accordance with that project Alexander I (Russian Emperor) meant to become the Polish korol (king) and the Polish-Russian dynastic union was to be established. Alexander I didn't refuse the project however after Russian-Prussian relation got warmer Adam had to leave his position. In 1815 was a member of provisional government in Polish Kingdom, later at the times of Polish uprising against Russia in 1830 was the chairman of rebel government, after the defeat left for Paris.

Wiki in English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jerzy_Czartoryski

Sasha

28 Nov 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky

Righty! :) *Thumbs up*

He did a good damn job killing a large number of communists. Possibly more than were killed during Polish-Soviet war.

All they killed communists (i.e. themselves)... including Stalin. They called it "class strugle" I call it "redivision of the power".

Igor Sikorsky

Sergey Vladimirovich Yastrzhembsky

Agreed. Thanks!

Czarina Catherine I

Yep. Skworonska Marta? :) Second wife of Peter the Great. Polish woman (as some sources say... other say her father was either Latvian or German) on Russian throne. And yes... her mother was Lithuanian.

Russian Czarina Catherine II

As far as I know she was German. :)

Sasha

28 Nov 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

Alexander Sergeevich Griboedov/(Rus cyr)Александр Сергеевич Грибоедов

famous Russian poet, writer, dramatist, composer, diplomatist, known as a "homo unius libri" (man of a one book) for his "Wit works woe" (Mądremu biada - pol, Gore ot uma - rus).

bibliotekar.ru/beg/239.htm
Griboedovs - Russian noble family of Polish origins. Jan Grzybowski left Poland for Russia in the beginning of XVII century. His son Fedor changed the last name to Griboedov and worked as a clerk. Alexander Griboedov originated from this kin.

Alexander was born in 1790 (1795) in Moscow and was killed in Teheran in 1829 when religious fanatics devastated Russian diplomatic mission there.

Wiki in English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandr_Griboyedov

This all people are considered Russian. everybody talks about Russian Helicopter inventor and I'd never called Russian politician Polish.

Prince, see above. I don't call those people Polish. I' just drawing your attention to the fact they had Polish ancestors (more or less). Thought it could be interesting for you.

Sasha

29 Nov 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

ConstantineK:

Freedom is inside us!

yeeah of course. Come one Kostik.

He's right. You merely didn't manage to get what he'd said. Democracy is inside of you. Nothing can make you think independent unless you want it. Surprisingly you happened to live in Russia and seem to speak Russian... How do you so shallow in your views then I wonder? Every time you're trying to feed wild Russians with your young democracy... before teaching why don't you pass a test on democracy yourself? Being free of external impact in your views that's what democracy means. As long as you diligently picking up all the BS and real info from the Polish media-horn in order to show it later to every Russky you meet your "democracy" is just a decoy for unenlightened. You're affected, that means you are not free. :) If you anyway want to get back to Russian problems... then I tell you, it's not about democracy itself it's about unequall aproach to people (putin's bootlickers and oligarchs are better treated) and the corruption.

What they write about understanding of freedom and learning it.

Nobody hates them.

Darn... are you kiddin'? Did you read it yourself? Read... there're lots of interesting things... and translate to all people here... they would be very surprised how "Russians learn there your democracy" in other words how they learn to resist constant hatred gulping down the offence.

Is that fine when people ask for changing the table, just because there's Russian near the current one? Molodaja demokratija, right? :) For those people it's ok, for me it's not. I'd personally prefer not trouble with myself people who I provoke disdain and get the heck out of there as soon as I can. Meanwhile I realize that there're normal ones... lots of normal people... but as long as the official policy of your youngdemocratic country is Russophobia most of Poles subconciously will have that perverted opinion about Russians as it was described by Russian immigrants.

"Proklinaju tot den', kogda predpochla Warshawu Moskve. No raz priexala, budu podnimat celinu..."
Nice words, aren't they? :) Would you translate, Prince? She prefered to get back to work... she doesn't cry, she doesn't complain although she'd had the reason... :) She doesn't try to persuade you on how good Russian president is, nor she suggests that you go and bow low to lenin's corpse, she doesn't make a big fuss with her "sovereign democracy". :) She's not a whit arrogant, she just wants to live and experience at least neutral attitude to herself. :) Everytime she tries there's arrogant Prince-who-the-hell-know-how-many-nicks showing up and teaching wild russkies how to live.

Schastlivo, prijatel! Ya bez zla eto vse...;)

Sasha

29 Nov 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

I've seen many postive opinions about Poland there.

Man, I didn't say Poland is bad or that somebody there said Poland was bad...

Honestly if you prefere your system it is your problem but I prefere Polish democracy and I honestly fell that Poland is much, much better place to live ...

*sigh* and it's not about political system... :) one may love it another one may not.
I was talking about how they treated...
The rest to PM.

Sasha

10 Dec 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

Poles have everywhere contributed to the advance of Russia.

No doubts about that. They've done a lot for current state of both Russia and the US... and many of them became part of Russians and Americans. I intentionally draw a parallel between Russia and the US since it's as hard to say who Russian is as to say who American is... and on the other hand we're two countries with two different historical policies.

I didn't forget about the thread and will post more as soon as I've got a minute. Thankfully there're lots of Russian Poles.

Rokossowski comes to mind.

Where's the Kostia? There's he is.

Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovskiy (Polish: Konstanty Ksawerowicz Rokossowski , Russian: Рокоссо́вский Константи́н Константи́нович) (December 21 [O.S. December 9] 1896 - August 3, 1968) was a Soviet military commander and Polish Defense Minister.

Rokossovsky was born in Warsaw,his family moved to Warsaw with the appointment of his father as the inspector of the Warsaw Railways. The Rokossovsky family was a member of the Polish nobility, and had produced many cavalry men. However, Konstantin's father, Ksawery Wojciech Rokossowski, was a railway official in Russia and his Russian mother was a teacher.[1] Orphaned at 14, Rokossovsky earned a living by working in a stocking factory, and some time later he became an apprentice stonemason. Much later in his life, the government of People's Republic of Poland used this fact for propaganda, claiming that [...]

/wiki/Konstantin_Rokossovsky

The Russian wiki says he was born in Velikie Luki.

Sasha

20 Dec 2008

History / Famous Russian Poles [243]

...or Russians are the same ethnical mishmash as Americans are.