News / "POLISH death camps" term used by "Parade Magazine" Anti-Polish Bigots [249]


Well I don't know about years ago, but I will agree with you that today most Americans are not discriminatory or prejudiced against Polish Americans or Poles. I think most of the media has grown up from the Polish-Bashing of before and the media in the US is generally neutral/fair minded towards Poles. Especially in the conservative media. But it wasn't always like that and sadly from time to time, there are still elements of the media (mostly Leftist) like Parade Magazine and the New York Times that take cheap shots at the Polish like in the referenced Parade Magazine article.

It appears these media elements are still trying to stir up an anti-Polish bias among at least some of their American readers.

News / "POLISH death camps" term used by "Parade Magazine" Anti-Polish Bigots [249]

Well I appreciate your neutrality.

I will say in fairness to all American Jews, for some reason this Anti-Polish slander comes mostly from Left-wing Jewish writers like Parade Magazine's Blumenthal or the left-wing Anti-Polish lunatics at the New York Times and not so much from Conservative American Jews in the media.

The Leftist Jews' anti-Polish tendacies "will be fed" whether Poles are silent or not, although I still think if they were confronted directly they would shut up since they are cowards once they leave the media buildings they work at. I think Poles confronting them in their personal lives and giving them a piece of their minds would be effective. It has worked before. Also putting the heat on Parade Magazine management wouldn't hurt. It has worked on other newspapers. There have been other newspapers that have apologized to Poles for using the term "Polish death camp" when Polish Americans complained to them. These other newspapers were initially probably just blindly following the "Polish death camp" propaganda talking points of the ilk of Parade Magazine and the New York Times.

News / "POLISH death camps" term used by "Parade Magazine" Anti-Polish Bigots [249]

Really? What is that reason? Because of location?


So maybe if Parade magazine and other media like the New York Times are going to call Death Camps LOCATED in Poland "Polish Death Camps" should they then call the 911 terrorist attacks LOCATED in America,

American terrorist attacks because they were LOCATED in America?

So maybe Parade Magazine and other media should call Suicide Terrorist attacks (against Israelis) LOCATED inside Israel

Israeli terrorist attacks since they are LOCATED in Israel?

These Anti-Polish bigots at Parade Magazine and the New York Times who keep trying to use the BIG LIE technique to slander Poland are really demented psychopathic Anti-Polish Hate-Mongers.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

That's an interesting point. I think there are many people who do like Nazi German helmets. And these aren't Nazi sympathizers, just regular people who are interested in various military gear of all nations.

There are also many people who think Darth Vader was a "cool character". So maybe my German friend was overreacting when he talked about Hollywood's "anti-German bias" when referencing Darth Vader's helmet? Maybe Germans aren't portrayed by Hollywood as negatively as some say, afterall.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

That's true Germans have been portrayed negatively by Hollywood, although I haven't seen too many anti-German movies lately. Indeed Hollywood when it did portray Germans negatively, would try to demonize Germans. Along those lines, one of the silliest stereotypes that Hollywood and the liberal media tried to push onto the Germans is that the Germans "have on sense of humor because they are so evil"! How silly. Even villains have a sense of humor albeit a villain like sense of humor. This was part of the demonization process of Germans to make all things German evil. One German American friend of mine said that it was no accident that the Darth Vader helmet looked like a Nazi German helmet lol

Before there was a big Holocaust study push in the US, there were TV Shows like "Hogan Heroes" that made Nazi German soldiers look silly. Germans I know say this kind of light hearted show about Nazi Germans could never be shown on TV today since it would put Germans in a "human light" and go against today's Holocaust Groups' depictions of the "evil German". They say from a Holocaust group's perspective, it would be politically incorrect to show Nazi Germans to have this kind of light hearted image, like on "Hogan's Heroes".

Having said that, in recent years I really haven't seen many shows that are Anti-German. Documentary shows that show what happened in WWII I don't consider to be anti-German.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]


I agree with you that Hollywood has portrayed people from many East European nations in a negative light. But Hollywood's quantity and magnitude of Anti-Polish propaganda back in the day, exceeded the negative propaganda against other East European people, since Polish Americans are the largest East European ethnic group in the US.

And it was not an evil "American" bias against Poles and other East Europeans. It was a Leftist Hollywood bias against Poles/East Europeans. These Leftist bigots in Hollywood who were prejudiced against East Europeans, hardly had the values of the average American who is generally fair minded and not prejudiced against East Europeans.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

The movie "Sophie's Choice" is a classical Anti-Polish movie meant to elicit hatred of Polish people by the people watching it. Especially among Jewish viewers.

Its a good example of Hollywood's Polish-Haters' hatred of Polish people.

History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]


There are statistics and then there are "statistics". lol

Its amazing how people play around with numbers and how they change over the years where people are supposed to forget about how these numbers change from the past.

I have always heard that there were 3 Million Non-Jewish Poles who died in WWII. Now some people on this forum are running around talking about how TWO Million Non-Jewish Poles died. Well I guess if you repeat it over and over and over it must be a fact now, right? LOL

Before 1989 newspapers reported how basically 5.5 million Jews died in WWII. But that number varied from estimates from 4.2 million to 4.7 million and then rounded to SIX million from 5.5 million from the 70's on.

If you go to your local library and look at newspapers BEFORE 1990, they all say how 4.1 million Jews died at Auschwitz. But that number has been revised to now 1.1 million Jews who died there yet the total SIX million Jews number has not changed. Why is this?

Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

For what its worth, there are quite a few Poles who have non-Polish names because of Poland's historical frequent border changes.

There are Poles who have Austrian, German, Russian and other types of names.

News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]

czar,

What do you think about reports of the Polish police raiding the houses of the people on the plane and their relatives and taking some of their things? Some of these people also had their bank accounts frozen. What do you think about this?

News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]

That's the left-wing media for you. No matter what country its in.

They generally hate the nation they are in and are quick to sniff out "anti-semitism" anywhere.

The left-wing media in the US loves to be critical of the US and always puts a spotlight and magnifying glass on the slightest hint of anti-semitism. The New York Times is a great example of that. It also sympathizes deeply with Communism/Soviet Union and generally is prejudice against the East European nations that resisted it.

News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]

Don't worry Olga I was able to read those links with a little help from my Polish friends :)

Those are interesting articles.

Especially that one part that said it wasn't clear that the dead bodies died because of Airplane injuries.

Hmmmmm

News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]


1) There is no evidence the Polish pilot was under pressure to land despite that speculation early on.

QUOTE:
"There has been speculation that the crew were under pressure from those on the plane to land at Smolensk - and that perhaps President Lech Kaczynski himself may have given the final order.

However, Polish officials say there is no evidence to substantiate such claims"

2) There is no evidence the plane made 3 or 4 attempts to land. The plane only made one attempt to land.

QUOTE:
"Some reports said the pilot had attempted up to four landings, though a senior Russian aviation official, Tatyana Anodina, has said that the plane only tried to land once"

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8615169.stm

In other words, at least half of the "explanations" and "reasons" for the crash early on ended up to be false.

Anybody who made attempts to explain the reasons for the crash, within 24 hours of the crash, were misguided to say the least. These plane crashes generally take months to investigate and explain no matter what part of the world they occur in.

Its was too hasty and misguided for Russia WITHIN 24 HOURS to jump into the world media cycle and keep repeating "Pilot error" "Pilot error" "Pilot error" "Pilot error" for the reason of the crash, like a BIG LIE technique where if you repeat something over and over and over and over, and the mass media picks up on it, "then it APPEARS to be a FACT"!

Much of the "information" on this crash is what RUSSIA has reported.

How do we KNOW the Pilot RECEIVED these warnings from the Russian airtower??? Was this CONFIRMED in the black boxes??? The fact that Russia is HOLDING ONTO these black boxes is not a confidence builder in Russian government openess and integrity.

Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]


So what was the reason why MOST of the world's Jews CHOSE to LIVE in Eastern Europe especially Poland for ONE THOUSAND YEARS??

If Poland/Eastern Europe is as Anti-Semitic as you say, WHY were the Jews dumb enough to CHOOSE to live there for ONE THOUSAND YEARS????

You must admit with all this "Anti-Semitism" of Poland/Eastern Europe that you allege, its mind boggling that 3/4 of the world's Jews would CHOOSE to live in this part of Europe. Wouldn't you agree?

Was Poland's "Anti-Semitism" the reason why Poland was a MAGNET for MOST of the world's Jews for ONE THOUSAND YEARS????

Were Jews naive or just masochists for CHOOSING to LIVE in Poland for ONE THOUSAND YEARS??

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


Forget about what I say.

The EU Report that blamed Georgia for being the first to use heavy artillery in the conflict also said that the Russian "peacekeepers" were anything but peacekeepers in the Georgian territories and were creating and allowing tensions to grow between Georgians and non-Georgians. Georgia's airspace was being violated by Russian aircraft, Russian drones constantly before the Aug. 2008 conflict. For the record Russia seized territory from Georgia when Georgia did NOT invade Russian territory. Russia basically used a WWII "Sudetanland land" type argument to seize Georgia's northern territories. If the Russian logic for Abhkazia and S. Ossetia to be free of Georgia applies then territories such as Chechnya, Ingushetia and other Southern Russian territories should be free of Russia.

Do you really think the huge Russian land, sea and air force that attacked Georgia was put together in 24 hours?? Come on. That took months to coordinate and put together. So what does that say?

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


Oh Baloney.

Saakashivili didn't start anything. Georgia was being violated by Russia and abused for 2 years before Saakashvili did anything

Russia Set Up Georgia for the invasion.

Anybody with any basic military experience knows that the huge air, land and sea force used to invade Georgia took MONTHS to set up by Russia. The invasion of Georgia in 2008 was not a spontaneous response to Saakashvili/Georgia by Russia.

Russian "peacekeepers" were looking the other way as former KGB type Russians were agitating the non-Georgians against the Georgians in Ossetia. Russia also invaded Abkazia when there was NO Georgian military activity there.

nypost.com/seven/08122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/russia _goes_rogue_124032.htm
realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/the_end_of_the_fairy _tale.html

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


Poles NEVER charged any tanks. That was a big Nazi German lie that was repeated over and over to discredit and demean Poland. I can't believe you actually believe that big lie.

Also Nazi Germany had literally a MILLION TONS of war aid help from Soviet Russia when starting WWII as per the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

You forget the Poland with ONLY 32 million people was fighting BOTH Nazi Germany with 70 MILLION people and Soviet Russia with 130 MILLION people. That's like a person 6 feet tall fighting someone 12 feet tall and another person 24 feet tall TOGETHER.

It took 5 weeks (35 days) for Poland (32 million people) to fall to TWO GIANT NATIONS WITH a combined strength of at least 200 MILLION people.

So by your logic a person 6 feet tall (Poland) should be able to fight off two people, one over 12 feet tall (Germany) and the other 24 feet tall (Russia) for months and months?? Are you insane?

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


Yeah I agree with you here 100%.

Indeed Nazi Germany ANDDDDD Soviet Russia attacked Poland TOGETHER. Soviet Russia attacked a little bit later for the reason you gave. The Soviet Russians didn't want to look as bad as the Nazis so they went through the motion of waiting 17 days after the Nazis invaded.

I agree with you that many people (including Poles) are quite ignorant of the DEEP collaboration of Nazi Germany with Soviet Russia in starting WWII and selfishly dividing Central/Eastern Europe among themselves.

I'm kind of like you. When people tell me that Nazi Germany ran ALL OVER Poland in weeks, I always correct them that....NO Nazi Germany ONLY took over HALF of Poland AND with ONE MILLION TONS of Soviet Russian war material aid WHILE ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY Russia was taking the other half.

Its also good to remind people that Poland only had a medium size population of 32 million people while Nazi Germany had 70 MILLION people and Soviet Russia had about 130 MILLION people in the beginning of WWII. Was Poland expected to hold back both these giant nations TOGETHER? (IF Poland had 70 million people these two terrorrist nations would have taken forever to take over Poland considering how good Poles are at underground fighting and taking the fight to those terrorist capitals of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia if need be).

Its also good to remind people that its NO ACCIDENT that much bigger nations like Germany and Russia ALWAYS NEEDED each other to hold down Poland despite being so much bigger then Poland. When Russia attacked Poland in 1918, the Poles beat the Russians back to Moscow. That's because Russia didn't have Germany's help.

Having said this, I also agree with you that today, its good for Poland to try to be friends with Russia and other neighbors as much as possible and let the past be the past, albeit NOT FORGET IT.

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

Are you saying that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia together started WWII? Yeah come to think of it. I think you're right.

That Molotov-Ribbentrop pact they signed basically set the stage for WWII. The Russian people are good people and lost millions of their people fighting the Nazis (although many non-Russians also fought along side them fighting the Nazis) which they deserve credit for, but at the same time they gloss over the first 2 years of WWII where Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were good friends.

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]

What you say is true.

Since Soviet Russia won WWII and controlled all of Eastern Europe after WWII, it was able to tell big lies about its love affair with Hitler in the first two years of WWII. Soviet Russia was relatively successful at having the world believe its version of history, which is the big lie that Russia only had a Non-Agression-neutrality pact with Nazi Germany. It was much MORE then that. It was a LOVE AFFAIR between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

As per the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Soviet Russia provided ONE MILLION TONS of war aid to Nazi Germany. According to the movie "The Soviet Story", the bombs Nazi Germany dropped on Poland AND BRITAIN were made from Russian war material. The Russians were patting the Nazis on the back when the Nazis were bombing Poland AND BRITAIN.

The Soviet Russians were also using their connections in Europe to SUPPRESS anti-Nazi movements. The affection the Soviet Russians had for Nazi Germany was so crazy, that Soviet Russia was SUPPLYING Nazi Germany with war materials UP UNTIL Nazi Germany attacked Russia.

Russia basically gave Nazi Germany the green light to start WWII.

Here are some video clips showing the Soviet Russians and Nazis meeting each other in Poland after they both invaded Poland and met at a pre-set location in the middle of Poland, as per the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Notice the back slapping, lighting of cigarettes for each other, huge smiles, hugs, and various other acts of AFFECTION the Soviet Russians are showing the Nazis. They really seemed to love them. And what's not to love, the Nazis allowed them to have half of Poland and Eastern Europe......at least so they thought.

Soviet Russia and Nazi Love affair in the middle of Poland:

Nazi s and Soviet Russiains joyfully working together in Poland
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Nazis and Soviet Russians greeting each other in Poland showing each other affection
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Soviet Russian - Nazi joint victory parade in Poland



Nazi and Soviet Russian love affair
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PAPctERefgk

Nazis and Soviet Russians love each other so much they mimic each other
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AtQxrdd9mYI

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


I'm not sure why investigations many years later are so bad.

We in the US are always hearing about investigations into atrocities against Jews, Blacks and other groups no matter how much time went by.

News / RUSSIA TO MAKE PUBLIC THE KATYN FILES... [274]


Sky are you the Public Relations agent for Russia? LOL

Your analysis of: the country where a plane accident happened generally holds onto the black boxes may be true, BUT this situation is unique in light of the situation where the country holding onto the black boxes comitted the Katyn atrocities against the Poles. So you can't keep applying general standards to this crash when there exists this unique dynamic between the two countries involved here. Certainly both Russia and Poland are well aware of the unique dynamic here.

So you can't keep saying "Well the country where a plane crash happens keeps the black boxes and does this does that.......That standard should NOT apply here considering the controversial relationship between the countries involved here. If Poland did NOT receive the black boxes and other key information here, then that should rightly raise many eyebrows everywhere.

History / PRUSSIA - Former Vassal of Poland later occupant | Nowadays Germany? [33]


This is true.

In the past few hundred years, it always took more then one nation to hold down Poland.

One nation by itself, always had a difficult time holding down Poland.

Its no accident that the Nazis made the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets to hold down Poland TOGETHER.

News / THE ARMY OF POLAND - THE REALITY [493]


In general the Swiss were not a target of Germany. Many of them spoke German and had German roots.

Also Switzerland is all mountains. That never hurts when you're being invaded.

There's a reason why all the great armies of the world can't ever seem to conquer the Taliban in the Afghan mountains.

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]

That's an interesting reference.

Its sort of like that with the "Polak" word.

Its comes down to how it is used, who is using it and why, as others have said.

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]


Yes.

You are correct.

News / Polish-Hungarian Friendship Day- March 23rd [20]

Its interesting how much Poland and Hungary have in common. More then what meets the eye.

Here is a nice video on Polish-Hungarian Brotherhood

youtube.com/watch?v=_YJVO6jPaR0

God Bless the Hungarian people.

May the bond between Hungary and Poland live forever.

Language / Is the term 'Polak' derogatory?? [254]


What TV show were you watching?


It all comes down to CONTEXT and how its said.

People who know Polish can correct me if I'm wrong here but I understand the word "Polak" is singular to describe one Polish person. But the plural word for "Polak" is Polacy. In Polish there is no such thing as "PolakS" for the plural use of it.

The general term used in the English language for a Polish person is "Pole". This is why in most newspapers across the world, a Polish person is referred to as a Pole. Even by newspapers that don't like Poles LOL

The word "Polak" or "Polack" is offensive to some Polish Americans, since the word "Polack" was used almost always in a degrading way against Polish people by Hollywood and the TV media for many years. When they started to attack Polish people with subhuman intelligence jokes in the 60's and 70's, they often referred to Poles as "Polacks" and media Titan Polish-Hater, Archie Bunker was infamous for his constant degrading sound bytes against Polish people as being "Dumb Polacks". Since this TV show reached as many as FIFTY MILLION Americans in a pop, the sound byte "Dumb Polack" was in the psyche of most Americans INCLUDING Polish Americans.

Polish Americans living in the US prior to the 1960's said it was rare to hear Poles being referred to as "Polacks", especially since in Polish, the plural word "PolackS" didn't exist. The general term for Polish people, as it was for many years, was simply "Poles"

Life / Racism in Poland - the future [441]


I don't know about Stalin and Jews being friends per se, but many Jews for some reason chose to work for Stalin and were disproportionately in the Soviet movement.

This has been reported by Jewish sources.