News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

So....there are "good" fears and "bad" fears?

I'm just asking for clarification...because it aren't only right-wingers using the fears of people....but in my opinion the priorities differ. For some the climate is more important and for others for example an unwanted cultural change or uncontrolled mass immigration is more crucial.

Actually building on and using existing insecurities and fears in the electorate belongs to the basic stock of every party which wants to be elected....doesn't it!

News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]


Serious question....then where do you put all these Climate-change-warners? That's running all on doom and gloom and the coming apocalypse....

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]

...with an engraved raised middle finger...

:)

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


It could have worked....before the expansions! There are not only a few Germans who think back fondly as it was only them and the other founder countries...

But for that plan of old the EU just has become to big....probably led by the naive dream that in time there will be a kind of nivellation happen which will erase all these differences between our countries. It was an illusion, and not even wanted by the majority!

That vision/dream is now being chipped away, slowly but surely....it's an ongoing painful process. In consequence those voices who think a Europe of two speeds would be better become louder. The current bruhaha with Poland is in that regard only a symptom of the underlying problem!

But it will all still take awhile till that transforms into real actions...nothing happens quick in the EU! :)

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


As ist is right now for sure....

The civil traditions between....say central and north Europe are so different....there is an awareness that a deeper integration is so not possible....the EU has become to big for that. The doubters of the recent expansions have become right in hindsight.

The Euro crisis has put a spotlight onto it.....the "thrifty" northern Europeans, namely Germans, being forced to pay for the "slacking" South....that won't get any better in the near future as the EU is now more than ever poised to hand out money more freely than before....

These alle are unresolved conflicts....which have to be resolved one day....and in my opinion you can't shackle together what doesn't fit together.....some countries have similiar traditions and understandings and can work very well together and a deeper integration would make them stronger, better....and others not!

But I can only guess here....but that the EU has a problem is a fact. Just one example....to become better capable at acting in many lesser important questions it would be enough to implement a majority decision....but it's not happening, for that you need ALL member states to agree...but one or two will always say "no".

And so that to big, to clumsy ship, quarreling stumbles on.....it doesn't work anymore....something has to happen!

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


In a kind it is!

The EU as it is now seems to have become to big....dysfunctional....to many different members....who can't seem to find a compromise in that important question: more integration or back to the trade union of the beginning.

That's why a split is in my opinion a logical consequence.....then both groups of countries don't have to fight each other anymore.....the old EU, those not wanting to become the USE, will probably further called EU.....all in good time of course, that all won't happen overnight.


Part of the inner, faster core of course! Whenever people are talking about it (in Germany that is), they seem to have certain countries in mind....more or less the founder countries + some interested.

News / Poland in the European Union. Polexit? [559]


I think it's a tad early to say....every new gov will need time to find its footing.....not matter who becomes foreign minister...

In the end my guess is that the EU will kinda split, inofficially....the often mentioned "Europe of the two speeds". Into those group of countries which are willing to integrate their nations more and become in time a USE, and those who don't want to. Who are perfectly happy with how it is....or was...

It won't be the end of the EU, to many advantages for the members, but that is a nod to the many different traditions the member states come from, and some of these are just not reconcilable....

Where Poland will end up seems clear right now....

Genealogy / Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron. [44]

Now you got me....dammit! :)

Genealogy / Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron. [44]

....*sighs*....oh well....maybe I should try harder....but I really like how that sounds...

Genealogy / Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron. [44]

....I think I'll stay with Schebschebschin....I like that!

Genealogy / Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron. [44]

Schebscheschin?

I have to admit that sounds alot softer than the name looks!

Genealogy / Szczebrzeszynie, family name Tzitron. [44]


I'm trying:

"Tschebscheschin" ? Is that correct?

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]


NO WAY!!!!

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

I found that interesting and quite actual report about european youth with alot of data:


aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/8/11/future-generations-will-not-bridge-europes-divides


But that still seems to a cherished hope by many lefties! :) The latest shock for that belief came just recently in Germany as at least the half of the young voters didn't care for socialism or anything green at all....


I just think it gives a statement more value if its not just written, like a personal opinion....or wishful thinking! :)

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

Do you have some links to support that statement?

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

Hmm.....I dunno....this place in central Europe now called Germany has historicall always been a destination for immigration....I don't remember much fear about them.

To put the muslim immigration at the same level ignores the big differences, cultural, social and religious....that is not helping at all! Also the naive wish that their assimilation will work in time in the same way as with the millions of Europeans which have become bonafide Germans over the centuries....it just won't work that way, it is just not the same!

I guess this ignorance, this willful putting the head in the sand, will be the downfall of the european/german left at one time in the future....at one time they just will be unable to shove that growing problem away anymore!

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]


...yeah....till the "old Germans" have died out, you mean...the youth will embrace Islam...suuure! :)

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

Na ja....there is still a great divide what "knowing Muslims" concerns....Wessis know more Muslims than Ossis....but it doesn't help that much.

Off-Topic / Where are you from? [59]

Nun ja....the surveys and polls don't make that distinction....the majority who thinks the Islam doesn't belong to Germany says so across the country.

domradio.de/themen/islam-und-kirche/2021-06-11/sorge-vor-wachsender-bedrohung-laut-umfrage-gehoert-der-islam-fuer-viele-nicht-zu-deutschland

alice-schwarzer-stiftung.de/2021/06/11/umfrage-islam-und-islamismus/

Only 5% would agree with you!

Travel / What are the best countries to live in? [161]


Before or after the Chinese take-back-over?

Travel / What are the best countries to live in? [161]


It's also expensive and not easy to settle in, even for Germans....

But boring hasn't mean to be something bad....safe is boring too! :)

As a kid/youth I spend most family holidays in Budapest, I have fond memories about Hungary.....but the language....no way!

Travel / What are the best countries to live in? [161]

I like Germany....doesn't have to be Berlin....baltic coast maybe....Erzgebirge.....Heimat halt!

Still one of the most peaceful, well off, safe places on Earth. Elsewhere to hot or to cold or to many foreigners :)

California, New York...or New Zealand....all great places for holidays....but not for settling (for me that is).

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Yeah well....if you want to put the death count as an decisive factor if something is good or bad then already the import of Christianity was an error....since then mass killings in the name of god became part of Europe's history for nearly 2 millennia....for centuries it was like "conversion or death"! Followed closely by "death to the unbelievers"....

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Fantastic....you are doing great! :)

I always loved the stories about the sacking of Rome! My barbarians....*polishes helmet* :)

Hach ja....the good 'ol times...

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Yeah....that's great...I don't want to take that away from you....but could you maybe try to differentiate between the EU and us Germs?

No matter what you believe those two are not congruent....

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Really! Economic exploitation without additional billions....without cheap access to european markets......ask the chinese to allow your laborers to go in and look for work...

Look for Ukraine when you want an idea of Poland without the EU!


So nice that sounds...I really doubt the money saved on refugees would get to our seniors....it never does!


I know....that's what we get told all the time too...

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


And in Germany poor seniors have to search for returnable bottles at the end of the month....

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


So what? You say that is if that's a bad thing....

Better than wars anytime.....and better than the Chinese too!

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]

Na ja.....


I would say the german construction industry.....the german machine industry.....the german truck industry......

But since so many of them have relocated into far away countries (or not so far like Poland) I'm not so sure anymore...

News / Poles say a big YES to our European Union [996]


Nothing new for a German! That's what we get told whenever there is some wondering why we have to pay so massive to everybody else to support their economies, their poor, their whatever whereas we have so many own problems and will never get any support from them....

Latest examples supporting the rent systems of Greeks and Italians....both countries whose population is comparable richer than Germans (more residential property etc.)

*shrugs*