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*nods*

I think the same...

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

Now it get's interesting:


reuters.com/world/europe/lukashenko-belarus-will-retaliate-against-any-new-eu-sanctions-could-cut-gas-2021-11-11/

...On Thursday, he raised the possibility of cutting off the Yamal gas pipeline that carries Russian gas across Belarus en route to Poland and Germany.

"We are heating Europe, they are still threatening us that they will close the border. And if we shut off natural gas there?," Lukashenko said in comments published by the state news agency Belta.

"Therefore, I would recommend that the Polish leadership, Lithuanians and other headless people think before speaking," he was cited as saying....

But for that he needs Putin's backing....will he dare? *gets popcorn*

PS: But that of course is exact that situation why NordStream was being build in the first place....to cut out such unreliable middlemen....

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Well...most of Germany has....that where originaly are "only a few thousands" on the Autobahns can become quickly a million knocking on your door! And that we don't want a repeat.......and I think the rest of Europe has learned by watching. Not every bad experience you have to make yourself!

No "refugees welcome" poster with teddy bears this time....

I wouldn't downtalk Frontex so much, the german leftist hate them....they blame Frontex in the Med for pushbacks of people, especially his chef Fabrice Leggeri has become some kind of enemy for our open-borders guys and gals!

spiegel.de/ausland/frontex-skandal-europapolitiker-fordern-ruecktritt-von-fabrice-leggeri-a-c8c447f3-1982-4d07-80ee-cf2592736254

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Well....they should p*iss off L some more.....

Maybe about time....Europe making itself independent from NATO:


reuters.com/world/europe/europe-is-danger-top-diplomat-propose-eu-military-doctrine-2021-11-10/

...."Europe is in danger," Borrell said in the foreword of the full strategy document that has been sent to the EU's 27 states for debate. "We need to have rapid deployment capabilities," he also told reporters.

One idea is to have a 5,000-strong EU crisis force, Borrell said, stressing though that the U.S.-led NATO alliance remains primarily responsible for Europe's collective defence....

For what do we have that common defence and security policy after all?

..."We have a strategic responsibility. Citizens want to be protected. Soft power is not enough," Borrell said of the economically powerful EU, the world's largest trade bloc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy

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The next round of sanctions are already underway....

Exclusive: EU close to deal on new round of Belarus sanctions, diplomats say

reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-eu-close-deal-new-round-belarus-sanctions-diplomats-say-2021-11-09/

The European Union is close to imposing more sanctions on Belarus, targeting some 30 individuals and entities including the foreign minister and Belarusian airline Belavia, with approval as early as next week, three EU diplomats said.....

Next monday, when the foreign ministers meet, they should be subscribed officially!

...EU states are also considering broadening economic sanctions on Belarus imposed in July by targeting the local reinsurance sector and its main company state-owned BelarusRe, diplomats said.

The fifth package of asset freezes and travel bans on Belarusian state officials and businesses....

More sanctions this month would take the total number of people under asset freezes and travel bans in Belarus to almost 200 people - including Lukashenko and his sons - as well as more than a dozen institutions and companies.

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They are for sure pro-Putin (as is the AfD)....but they are even more anti-Immigrants.....should be a popcorn moment when the decision looms! :)

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...absolutely useless!

But the GREENS are lucky that bruhaha now comes to late for the elections or they would end up somewhere in the single-digit realm.....there is no majority in Germany for the kind of open borders and more support money the Greens and Leftists want for these immigrants, not in Germany and not anywhere in Europe!

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How....with building a wall to keep foreign invaders out? Does that count as "provoking a war" with you?

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

....give it a bit....

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....we will survive that!


I would ask in Brussels for a refund....it can't be that Poland has to pay only for everything!

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I'm just not sure they will like that.....:)

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....great work! :)

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Actually I agree.....that could be the hour of "Festung Europa" (till now more or less a talked about concept only) and the end of the bitching between the members....nothing is better for unity than an external threat!


The UK is no longer the EU's problem...


The US is in need of a real wall too....

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...at least you are to smart and know it all! :)

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Reminds me about the last 99% by Honecker! :)

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....sooner Lukashenko will be ousted by the Belorussians who are sick of him....

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Nah....if Lukashenko is already pi***ed off by the current sanctions he won't have any fun with the upcoming ones....Putin might be soon the only one he gets to play with!

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Just in the news....the polish police stopped german trafficker helper/aktivists who wanted to get immigrants to bring them to Germany....THANK YOU POLAND! :)

spiegel.de/ausland/polnische-polizei-stoppt-deutsche-helfer-vor-grenze-zu-belarus-a-075a8a8f-4ecb-43ee-acf0-386b2c93cdec#kommentare

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Every day about 800 till 1000 people enter Belarus with Lukashenkos help....that's a planned invasion against the EU, don't put Lukashenko in the victims corner here. He is fully in control and could end it immediately...

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Not transport them into Belarus in the first place? That would be a start...




They don't "come"....HE GETS THEM!!!!

He uses his airline Belavia....and he lets them pay for the tourist visa and the transport AND they have to deposit additionally 3000 Dollar per person by him...Lukaschenko is a human trafficker of the first class!

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That is a lie!

Not to mention that these people have internet access and know very well what awaits them, they are not refugees!

And they don't want to stay in Belarus because it's a ****** country with a dictator on top....they could have stayed home if they wanted that.

The EU, the West, still stands for the better life....neither Belarus nor Putin can beat that. People run away from them!


Why don't you tell that Lukashenko? It's him who drives these people into the woods in this freezing weather....he could at least provide food and tents as they are still on his territory....where is his humanity?

Somehow your "tears" about these poor sods look abit fake...

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Building a wall across the whole border will be the only viable longterm solution....

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1800]

Poland thinks about asking NATO for help:

....Poland is meanwhile considering calling on NATO for help in the border conflict. Polish deputy foreign minister Pawel Jablonski told the Polish radio station Zet on Tuesday....

berliner-zeitung.de/politik-gesellschaft/woher-kommen-die-migranten-die-nun-ploetzlich-in-die-eu-draengen-li.193874

...Warsaw has been in constant contact with NATO for weeks and does not rule out a specific request for help if the situation at the border escalates. The former EU Council President and Polish opposition leader Donald Tusk had already discussed such a step on Monday: According to this, Poland could initiate the activation of Article 4 of the NATO treaty. This leads to direct military consultations if the territorial integrity, political independence or security of one of the parties is at risk. Article 4 has been activated repeatedly over the past few years. Turkey made particularly frequent representations to NATO in connection with its activities in the Syrian war. Article 4 is the preliminary stage to the alliance case, which is activated via Article 5 and was activated for the first time after September 11, 2001....

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I hope not....Lithuania is already warned and prepared!


lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1537044/lithuania-moves-to-declare-state-of-emergency-on-border-with-belarus



Concertina razor wire along the Lithuanian-Belarusian border

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@jon357

If you had a say in Brussels, what would you the EU have to do?

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But seriously....do you think it will get better when Europe is taking all their young men in?

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If all that energy would be used to change things at home we all would be better off!

Did you never ask if that flight movement has the same function as a pothole? To take out pressure out of the "pot" so that the dictators can rule on abit longer without angry young men who might disturb them?

That's why Afghanistan was such a painful lesson....all these young men had all the support of the whole world...they had more men, they had the logistic and military support, they had more and better weapons and still, they run away from a few Taliban on sandals! Run away directly to Europe!!!

I don't buy that "lack of hope" anymore...they just don't want to fight....they prefer western soldiers to fight....they want what the West has without doing **** for that....if they don't care about their own countries, why should we feel guilty?

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Immigrants storming into Europe in masses like that meet a european population whose willingness to take them in decreases rapidly....and the EU has the money, the pressure is rising.

Look what tiny poor Greece build on their border to Turkey, alone!



There is nothing leaky about it....


Yes, but they all want to come here....."Germoney"!

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The only thing we have in our power to change are our borders....that's why the "Festung Europa" will be build.

The rest of the world we can't save all nor have we any kind of control over....

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....well..."Mutti" Merkel won't make any selfies with these people anymore....that's a plus! :)