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Do you really believe it had been "the Russians" who murdered the millions of people during Stalin's reign? (About 20 MILLION people)

Who murdered the polish intelligencia at Katyn? Russians or Stalinists?

All of them guilty? From the newborn baby to the old Babushka?


I dunno....if I follow your logic "The Russians" had been quite the barbarians themselves....murdering 20 million people (worse than the holocaust!)....maybe the Germans would had been right in trying to kill them all? To end that murdering and for revenge of course....

Your logic sucks seriously, Rich!

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I disagree...the war they fighted in the West was totally different, no Untermenschen....it was the racist Nazi ideology which destroyed them, first Russia and then Germany.

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Even so....burning the land and turning a usually rather lethargic population into hostiles was the worst of all ways to go about it, they HAD to know that!

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I think we can agree on that Hitler did everything wrong!

But then, he was a luckless painter....I put the blame on the professionals, the german High Command, they should have known better, they should have done something!


If that's my choice I say the Democrats. But even that would be wrong. I'm quite sure that alot of the million members of the Democratic Party had been against such mass destruction...

So, I put it to those people who actually ordered to "push the button" and those who actually "followed orders" and did push the button.

Please kindly accept my decision, thank you!

PS: To call "The Americans" is actually just a try to broaden the blame....to lessen the blame on those actually responsible!

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The president?

Who gives the order?

I would never lay the blame on a 10 year old child going to school somewhere in Sacramento, California for destroying Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

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They still needed them to be willing! What use would be men who fear the commissar behind them more than the enemy up front? Surrendering would become an option!

Hitler made sure it wasn't so...

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No, in this case it was the Nazis! These policies were made up, thought out, implemented and ordered by the members of the NSDAP and their believers...NAZIS!

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During the first months whole armies just gave up and surrendered to the Wehrmacht. It had been so many that there weren't enough german soldiers to keep them all, but they weren't needed, the Russians didn't fight and obeyed....a "morale" was actually non-existent....they felt safer with the german army, they didn't want to fight anymore...

What did Hitler and his cronies do? Instead to take care of these masses of men, feed them, try to convince them to get back to the field and fight for their own liberation now with the military support of the Germans...nooo....they let them starve cruelly to death!

With that they made sure no Russian would again try to surrender and rather fight to the death, even if he feared Stalin, he hated the Nazis more!

THATS how the Germans lost that war, not because of weapons or lone battles or what not....

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What I said....

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It wasn't always so clear.....don't forget that the Wehrmacht was seen in big parts in the East (Ukraine) and the North (Baltics) as liberator from the Soviet yoke and could count on civilian support, then there was those Russians themselves (Russian Liberation Army) which decided to fight with the Wehrmacht against the Red Army....

It could have easily shifted to an big anti-Stalin-anti-communist movement with german military support! And THAT could have done Stalin and Co.

It was the Nazis themselves who blundered all that initial support with their unspeakable behavior as cruel occupiers no longer liberators stemming from that race policy which even put just liberated people into the "Untermenschen"-category...making new Partisans with every movement.

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What is Poland getting from the United Nations? Military security? Financial help? Economical Support?

If Poland asks the UN for support against Russia....don't you think Russia will veto everything?

The UN would be like another of these far away "friends" Poland liked to put his hopes to (GB, France)....tell me again how that panned out in Polands past!


Oh please.....I'm a proud German, I'm still an Ossi by heart, not a no-border globalist....if I dream of the past it's about mighty Prussia....I like the successful Hanse too.

There is a middle way for nationalists....those fighting all other nations and those who want the best for their own nation. Germany's way right now led to it's most successful century ever, and alot of that success has to do with the EU.

Now compare Polands often enough catastrophic past with the modern Poland during the recent decades inside the EU.....and there can only be one conclusion!

It's a matter of rationalism and seeing the world as it is, not as you want it to be! If you truly love Poland, you want the best and most successful Poland it can be. Going it alone is a sure way to lose....again!

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Agreed, in a Europe ruled by nationalists Poland, without an influential EU, Poland will stand alone....again....tell me again, how that did work out for the Poles in the past.

And risking all that what Poland has right now....military security, financial help, economical support, a seat and a voice like everybody else at the european table....only because of some refugees? Or some rights for gays? Or some guaranteed independence for your judges?

Really? Is that worth it???

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Thing is....has always been.....nationalists don't work well together.....they will be quickly busy with sniping, insulting, attacking, backstabbing each other....getting out every historical argument they can find.....a pleasure to watch?

Salvini will hate Le Pen....Orban licks Putins boots, no matter what that would mean to Kaczynski...etc...etc...

There is no nationalist "internationale"....banding together for a common cause.....never has been, never will be. Their own short sighted advantage will be always more important to them. That's why leftists are always stronger, sad but true!

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Oh I dunnooo....even LePen isn't talking anymore about a Frexit....she wants to get elected sometime, heh:)

"...She is opposed to the EU membership for Turkey, in favour of a "privileged partnership",[22] and also opposes the accession of Ukraine to the European Union, while supporting association status.[23] She is currently campaigning for a referendum on France leaving the EU.[20] Despite have previously sought France leaving the body, she no longer supports a full exit, preferring instead a restructuring.[79]...."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Marine_Le_Pen#European_Union

I even agree with her about Turkey.....but I think Ukraine could need every help it can get.....and some reforms, why not? *shrugs*

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Why?

The UK haven't been an integral part of the EU....they were no founder....they only wanted in as they have seen how successful the EU had become....they have always demanded special treatments and privileges (and gotten!)...

I would rather bet you that we see Scotland and maybe Wales asking for membership in the EU before the EU gets abolished, heh:)

*ducks and runs*

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....that is true too!

If you count Twitter, FB, Instagram, Youtube etc. too then we are really owned by these USians!!!

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If you want to be nitpicking the whole media market of East Germany has been bought out by West Germany!
Does that count as "foreign owned"?

But if I'm honest most Ossis prefered West-Fernsehen and West-Radio in GDR times too...

(Besides the staff of the "Neues Deutschland" there hadn't been many complaints either)

But yeah...that's it....West-Germany had more than 70 years time to build their own media market...see?

All in West-Germany!

Friede Springer, Axel Springer Verlag, Berlin;
Bauer Family, Bauer Media, Hamburg;
Alexander, Marc and Oliver Samwer, Rocket Internet, Berlin;
Ralph Dommermuth, United Internet, Montabaur;
Hubert Burda Family, Hubert Burda Media, Munich;
Jahr Gruner Family, Hamburg;
Liz Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Johannes Mohn Family, Bertelsmann, Gutersloh;
Stefan von Holtzbrinck and Monika Schoeller, Georg von Holtzbrinck-Gruppe, Stuttgart;
Dieter Schaub, Media Union, Ludwigshafen.

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Ever heard of the german RTL?

It is founded by and belonges to the RTL group, their HQ is in Luxembourg...it had been founded by Marcel and Francois Anen...with no German in sight.

They own today 68 TV stations and 31 Radio stations in France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and other european countries....

Does that count?

But I don't think that is the same....many Germans bemoan the quality of the program but not the ownership...even as RTL has now a second HQ in Cologne and even a german CEO! :)

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Which party do you mean?

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Which TV station do you have in mind?

I just read that TVN is owned by USians...(Fakty, TVN24...) and is seen as anti-PiS....
I know of "Passauer Neue Presse" which owns "Polska Press" and publishes about 20 regional papers with about 6 mio readers....
"Fakt" is the polish "Bild" or the english "Sun" and is owned by a german-swiss group....(who is often very anti-german:)....
German Springer owns "Newsweek Polska" who is also seen as anti-PiS....
Online portal onet.pl is owned to 75% by Springer, the rest belongs to some USian owner...it is seen as much more popular than polish owned wp.pl...

But that's about it....the big weekly's like "Wprost" are in polish hand, so are the other big TV stations (TVP1, TVP2 and PolSat)

You should one thing always keep in mind Iron, Poland is a market economy like Germany and only those can survive who sell enough. In the media case only those who find enough readers and viewers.

So it is logically that even if a TV station or a newspaper is foreign owned, they have to be successful in the polish market, gain polish subscriber and polish advertiser. So they have to tailor their product to polish expectations, wants and needs. So I'm not so sure why it is so important for you who owns what.

It doesn't really play a big role...and the majority of the publications and stations in Poland are still and always will be polish!

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....we haven't occupied them! :)

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Well....if you want to go far back....EVERYTHING!

At least in the US zone of occupation and with the money of the Marshall fund....they installed the law making...and supervised practically everything....no article could be published without their nod.....to find a job every German had to show a "Persil Schein", some proof that they hadn't been active Nazis....they rebuild West-Germany after their sense...these foundations are still strong and working!

Most Germans are still grateful for it....I can imagine that many Poles aren't angry about the EU help either?

Or the surveys and polls would look differently....but make no mistake...some Germans too wish to be "free" of USian influence....sadly the same people wish a closer relationship with Putin's Russia!

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I would rather believe that the founder nations of the EU (Germany, France and NL) will always band together to form a Union, the arguments to build a strong alliance are as convincing now as they had been back then!

...and nobody likes the UK that much! ;)

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Yeah....and some Germans like to say the USians have to much power and influence here....*shrugs*

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Which "German way" are you talking about?

In Germany we have political parties spanning the whole field....from the radical left (Die Linke)...over the GREENS...to the nationalist right (AfD)....most people would see themselves somewhere in the middle....so the political landscape is build more often than not by some coalition between the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Christian Demokrats (CDU)...with some LIBERALS (FDP) sprinkling...sometimes...if they make the 5% hurdle....mostly building on the lowest denominator compromise...

Do you mean that?

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Who should abolish it?

I agree that not all governments will be always totally happy with it....so many rules and all that.

But there will always be several countries (strong center countries at that) which profit from that Union, which will stay together because of that....and that in turn makes that Union stronger...an undeniable advantage which will always be interesting and seducing for alot of smaller, naturally weaker countries....so they would want to stay close, even trying to become members...and so it goes on.

Great Britain is not an example for european mainland countries! Even GB looks to other countries for treaties and support, trying to gain alliances....in this world nobody can "go it alone"!

That doesn't mean that the EU won't change....after all it isn't some alien entity from Mars...it's members shape the Union! Maybe another country will leave...or another will be thrown out....should the majority wish so. But nobody will abolish it! No country has the power to decide such a thing....

So I guess you will wait and hope in vain....

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The EU is to big to fail....you are not...sadly! :)

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Hmmm....I just read that one-third of American troops during WWII were German-Americans...many of them fightin in the european theater, liberating Europe....I wonder what they would think and say....

digitalcommons.georgiasouthern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1088&context=aujh

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What? How?

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You know that the Sovietunion was a multiethnical entity? With masses of brown and muslim people?