Lyzko
9 Jun 2022
Po polsku / Staram się polepszać się po polsku :) [85]
Tak jest, Ziem! To musilo byc, co zrozumialem.
Tak jest, Ziem! To musilo byc, co zrozumialem.
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Makes sense though, doesn't it.
Makes sense though, doesn't it.
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
With certain exception though, e.g "le shopping", "le weekend" etc., they've pretty much succeeded:-)
With certain exception though, e.g "le shopping", "le weekend" etc., they've pretty much succeeded:-)
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
You bet!
Maybe one of a number of reasons that a vast number of Europeans, particularly from the Northern countries, appear to know English with such seeming ease and facility is that they are taught the opposite way from the methods we've both come to know and hate.
Oh, I'll be the first to add my well-known laments, complaints about the way certain Europeans communicate in English. However anyone with ears and a working brain knows it's a damned sight better than the average native Anglophone could negotiate their way around French, German, Norwegian, Italian etc. much less Russian or Polish LOL
And it's not simply a matter of the old saw, "Who needs Norwegian since everyone needs English?" either! It's a question of methodology and application; theirs works, ours doesn't!!
For example, I already knew tons more German than I would have before winding up in Prof. Koerner's college freshman German class.
The teaching was poor, yet somehow I made out on the Dean's List since I'd had a foundations of basic words and sounds from my German-speaking nanny as a child. No mystery there.
You bet!
Maybe one of a number of reasons that a vast number of Europeans, particularly from the Northern countries, appear to know English with such seeming ease and facility is that they are taught the opposite way from the methods we've both come to know and hate.
Oh, I'll be the first to add my well-known laments, complaints about the way certain Europeans communicate in English. However anyone with ears and a working brain knows it's a damned sight better than the average native Anglophone could negotiate their way around French, German, Norwegian, Italian etc. much less Russian or Polish LOL
And it's not simply a matter of the old saw, "Who needs Norwegian since everyone needs English?" either! It's a question of methodology and application; theirs works, ours doesn't!!
For example, I already knew tons more German than I would have before winding up in Prof. Koerner's college freshman German class.
The teaching was poor, yet somehow I made out on the Dean's List since I'd had a foundations of basic words and sounds from my German-speaking nanny as a child. No mystery there.
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Tell me about it, jon!
Sometimes I feel many language instructors are their own worst enemies.
They often whine and moan about the pupils not learning, meanwhile they kill them with mind-numbing grammar rote rot, stifling any curious learning impulse there is.
Don't you agree?
Tell me about it, jon!
Sometimes I feel many language instructors are their own worst enemies.
They often whine and moan about the pupils not learning, meanwhile they kill them with mind-numbing grammar rote rot, stifling any curious learning impulse there is.
Don't you agree?
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Po polsku / Staram się polepszać się po polsku :) [85]
Co roznica miedzy "Do uslug" ws."Do sluzenia"?
Gdy kiedys bylem na krotkim pobycie w Polsce, siedzialem pewnego popoludnia w restauracjii a kelner przyniosl mi obiad. Mowilem mu, "Dziekuje panu!" i on odpowiedzial "Do sluzenia!", nie "Do uslug!"
Czy co znaczy samo?
Co roznica miedzy "Do uslug" ws."Do sluzenia"?
Gdy kiedys bylem na krotkim pobycie w Polsce, siedzialem pewnego popoludnia w restauracjii a kelner przyniosl mi obiad. Mowilem mu, "Dziekuje panu!" i on odpowiedzial "Do sluzenia!", nie "Do uslug!"
Czy co znaczy samo?
Lyzko
8 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Sapir-Whorf was popular for a bit, same for Chomsky.
Pinker though became a sort of "hot young Turk" of linguistics, so to speak, oh, around twenty-five years ago or more.
Eons ago, a well-known French linguist claimed his children, who grew up on the French/German border near Alsace-Lorraine, were literally "speaking" German with German-speaking classmates after school, although the linguist's children had allegedly never studied the language either at home or at in school! Saussure, I believe it was.
Motto of the story is that kids are proverbial sponges and frequently have little need, if any, for institutional aids when picking up a language simultaneously with their mother tongue.
Sapir-Whorf was popular for a bit, same for Chomsky.
Pinker though became a sort of "hot young Turk" of linguistics, so to speak, oh, around twenty-five years ago or more.
Eons ago, a well-known French linguist claimed his children, who grew up on the French/German border near Alsace-Lorraine, were literally "speaking" German with German-speaking classmates after school, although the linguist's children had allegedly never studied the language either at home or at in school! Saussure, I believe it was.
Motto of the story is that kids are proverbial sponges and frequently have little need, if any, for institutional aids when picking up a language simultaneously with their mother tongue.
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
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Noticed my name's conspicuously absent from the list.
Guess I'm too much of a gadfly, not to mention general pain in the butt LOL
Noticed my name's conspicuously absent from the list.
Guess I'm too much of a gadfly, not to mention general pain in the butt LOL
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Amen there, Maf!
Don't know how often on this very Forum, I've decried to distraction the number of Europeans encountered over the years claiming to be bilingual, yet speaking often atrocious English, like rapid-fire bubble gum chatter masquerading as culturally correct usage.
The actual "BI-linguals" I've met abroad are rare indeed.
Amen there, Maf!
Don't know how often on this very Forum, I've decried to distraction the number of Europeans encountered over the years claiming to be bilingual, yet speaking often atrocious English, like rapid-fire bubble gum chatter masquerading as culturally correct usage.
The actual "BI-linguals" I've met abroad are rare indeed.
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Thanks, jon.
I'll go with Bloomfield's definition myself:-)
Ck. out too the Canadian linguist Prof. Steven Pinkert, in case you're not entirely familiar with his work.
He talks about native speakers of different languages as being, quite literally, "circuited" differently from each other, which he mentions at length in "The Language Instinct".
Thanks, jon.
I'll go with Bloomfield's definition myself:-)
Ck. out too the Canadian linguist Prof. Steven Pinkert, in case you're not entirely familiar with his work.
He talks about native speakers of different languages as being, quite literally, "circuited" differently from each other, which he mentions at length in "The Language Instinct".
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
jon, I'd even qualify further by saying that the natural ability to seamlessly think as well as function within the target language context, that is, of the second language acquired vs. the need to translate from the source language or mother tongue, is what distinguishes an authentic native bilingual speaker from someone who learned the language even in young adulthood!
For instance, I have never claimed and would never claim to be a bilingual in Polish, regardless of reading fluency, as I acquired it comparatively late in my development as opposed to German which was the first language I heard although schooled in English from roughly first grade until college:-)
While I could negotiate my way through daily situations with monolingual Polish speakers during my all too brief sojourn in Poland, the language continued and continues to control me rather I controlling it.
In addition, I'm aware of myriad errors in daily usage which was never the case with German.
jon, I'd even qualify further by saying that the natural ability to seamlessly think as well as function within the target language context, that is, of the second language acquired vs. the need to translate from the source language or mother tongue, is what distinguishes an authentic native bilingual speaker from someone who learned the language even in young adulthood!
For instance, I have never claimed and would never claim to be a bilingual in Polish, regardless of reading fluency, as I acquired it comparatively late in my development as opposed to German which was the first language I heard although schooled in English from roughly first grade until college:-)
While I could negotiate my way through daily situations with monolingual Polish speakers during my all too brief sojourn in Poland, the language continued and continues to control me rather I controlling it.
In addition, I'm aware of myriad errors in daily usage which was never the case with German.
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
I only "acquired" Polish long after the age of childhood, more like end of my 20's. Furthermore, I'm certainly not a true bilingual, therefore again, I'd scarcely be a qualified participant in your study, unfortunately.
I only "acquired" Polish long after the age of childhood, more like end of my 20's. Furthermore, I'm certainly not a true bilingual, therefore again, I'd scarcely be a qualified participant in your study, unfortunately.
Lyzko
7 Jun 2022
Lyzko
6 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
No, I'm not suspicious in the least, Paw.
How come? Ought I be? Had the study applied, I might have offered to participate.
No, I'm not suspicious in the least, Paw.
How come? Ought I be? Had the study applied, I might have offered to participate.
Lyzko
6 Jun 2022
Language / A study on how bilingual Polish-English speakers think [86]
Sounds interesting, Lenka.
I once participated in a similar study conducted by the German General Consulate in New York for Americans such as myself born in the US with German as quasi-mother tongue.
The researchers subjected me to a light battery of questions regarding how I react to various cross-cultural stimuli in addition to the usual questions as to in which language I dream etc.
Figure it's the same here, although the criteria obviously wouldn't apply in my case:-)
Sounds interesting, Lenka.
I once participated in a similar study conducted by the German General Consulate in New York for Americans such as myself born in the US with German as quasi-mother tongue.
The researchers subjected me to a light battery of questions regarding how I react to various cross-cultural stimuli in addition to the usual questions as to in which language I dream etc.
Figure it's the same here, although the criteria obviously wouldn't apply in my case:-)
Lyzko
4 Jun 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
.....and the opposite of brilliance is stupidity, RIch ol' boy LOL
.....and the opposite of brilliance is stupidity, RIch ol' boy LOL
Lyzko
2 Jun 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
An embryo, for the BAZILLIONTH time, friends, is indeed a living, yet not (yet) a conscious, being! Satisfied?
Except to the boneheaded Fundamentalists of whatever religious stripe, the exact moment when life begins is to be sure one of the oldest questions extant, and is likely to be for as long as the human race exists.
As my college philosophy prof (a former broker, incidentallyLOL) once put it, "Always seek the company of those who seek the truth; run from those who've found it!"
Furthermore, interesting that the US punishes just reg'lar folks for every infraction under the sun, from parking violations to non-payment of rent, yet almost never for those inhuman violations which also occur every day, such as taking away a woman's right over her own body, the patient's basic right to be treated both courteously as well as honestly by her primary care physician, and a the day-to-day incivilities or indignities to which many of us are subjected on a normal basis.
The latter go unpunished since nearly everyone can be paid off these days somehow.
In former times, such was not so rampantly the case.
An embryo, for the BAZILLIONTH time, friends, is indeed a living, yet not (yet) a conscious, being! Satisfied?
Except to the boneheaded Fundamentalists of whatever religious stripe, the exact moment when life begins is to be sure one of the oldest questions extant, and is likely to be for as long as the human race exists.
As my college philosophy prof (a former broker, incidentallyLOL) once put it, "Always seek the company of those who seek the truth; run from those who've found it!"
Furthermore, interesting that the US punishes just reg'lar folks for every infraction under the sun, from parking violations to non-payment of rent, yet almost never for those inhuman violations which also occur every day, such as taking away a woman's right over her own body, the patient's basic right to be treated both courteously as well as honestly by her primary care physician, and a the day-to-day incivilities or indignities to which many of us are subjected on a normal basis.
The latter go unpunished since nearly everyone can be paid off these days somehow.
In former times, such was not so rampantly the case.
Lyzko
1 Jun 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
And by your illlogic, you'd punish a young couple, guilty of nothing other than the poor judgement of callow youth?! What have you solved other than to turn a presumably non-felon into a criminal but criminalizing their errors instead of allowing them to learn from them?
And by your illlogic, you'd punish a young couple, guilty of nothing other than the poor judgement of callow youth?! What have you solved other than to turn a presumably non-felon into a criminal but criminalizing their errors instead of allowing them to learn from them?
Lyzko
1 Jun 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
@Rich, as usual, you're merrily comparing apples and oranges here!
If either couple is earning only $15 per hr. at a McDonald's, Walmart (same difference) nowadays, how in heck can they afford kids??
Typicallly robotic US-thinking! Y'all sure likes messin' up, but y'all ain't so hot on cleanin' up yer mess:-))
@Rich, as usual, you're merrily comparing apples and oranges here!
If either couple is earning only $15 per hr. at a McDonald's, Walmart (same difference) nowadays, how in heck can they afford kids??
Typicallly robotic US-thinking! Y'all sure likes messin' up, but y'all ain't so hot on cleanin' up yer mess:-))
Lyzko
31 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Is bearing unwanted children through the GOP-condoned proliferation of starvation-wage McJobs throughout the country, forcing families to have children whom they cannot possibly afford, thereby having to give them up for adoption, any less immoral, Korvinus?
Where once a young mother might actually have been able to raise a family modestly yet relatively comfortably, working at a Walmart, for instance,
such is only the case in some Republican dream world of men and women living off the fat of the land as once in a mythical pioneer fantasy over a hundred-and-twenty odd years ago. Such is NOT the reality of today's world.
Unwanted pregnancies don't point to this stereotype of the "evil woman", rather to the need for greater reform in our society by allowing abortion so that women have more control both over their lives as well as their bodies!
An incredibly puritanical and primitive country the United States, certainly as regards basic issues such as weapons' possession and women's rights.
Is bearing unwanted children through the GOP-condoned proliferation of starvation-wage McJobs throughout the country, forcing families to have children whom they cannot possibly afford, thereby having to give them up for adoption, any less immoral, Korvinus?
Where once a young mother might actually have been able to raise a family modestly yet relatively comfortably, working at a Walmart, for instance,
such is only the case in some Republican dream world of men and women living off the fat of the land as once in a mythical pioneer fantasy over a hundred-and-twenty odd years ago. Such is NOT the reality of today's world.
Unwanted pregnancies don't point to this stereotype of the "evil woman", rather to the need for greater reform in our society by allowing abortion so that women have more control both over their lives as well as their bodies!
An incredibly puritanical and primitive country the United States, certainly as regards basic issues such as weapons' possession and women's rights.
Lyzko
28 May 2022
Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1049]
Great! My, what an excellent source of useful info!!
I take it you are an educated Polish native speaker, yes?
Trust my constant queries don't irk you:-)
Great! My, what an excellent source of useful info!!
I take it you are an educated Polish native speaker, yes?
Trust my constant queries don't irk you:-)
Lyzko
27 May 2022
Language / Short Polish<->English translations [1049]
Most informative, ForumUser!
Then the "robic"/"rabiac" example is comparable (if not exactly equivalent) to
"mowic"/"mawiac", if I'm not mistaken.
Most informative, ForumUser!
Then the "robic"/"rabiac" example is comparable (if not exactly equivalent) to
"mowic"/"mawiac", if I'm not mistaken.
Lyzko
27 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
The question remains as to whether the gov't. or the individual woman should be free to choose the right over her OWN body!
Naturally, enlightened, free-thinking folk would agree. Don't know about the rest of you people. Men should have nothing to say, after all, it's women who do the childbearing, men who do the inseminating.
The question remains as to whether the gov't. or the individual woman should be free to choose the right over her OWN body!
Naturally, enlightened, free-thinking folk would agree. Don't know about the rest of you people. Men should have nothing to say, after all, it's women who do the childbearing, men who do the inseminating.
Lyzko
27 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
The analogy's not applicable. Life exists before birth, but not as a conscious being!
The analogy's not applicable. Life exists before birth, but not as a conscious being!
Lyzko
26 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
Same difference! You likely have no PhD and seem to know neither fact from fiction.
A person can be over educated and just plain stupid or under educated and show some good ol' fashioned horse sense!
Apparently, you show neither, save for often acting like a horse's ass LOL
Motto of this post? Education or schooling is never a guarantee of intelligible and cogent argumentation, but it sure can help:-)
Same difference! You likely have no PhD and seem to know neither fact from fiction.
A person can be over educated and just plain stupid or under educated and show some good ol' fashioned horse sense!
Apparently, you show neither, save for often acting like a horse's ass LOL
Motto of this post? Education or schooling is never a guarantee of intelligible and cogent argumentation, but it sure can help:-)
Lyzko
26 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
One doesn't have to be a PhD to know right from wrong, so what's your excuse?
One doesn't have to be a PhD to know right from wrong, so what's your excuse?
Lyzko
26 May 2022
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]
In the sense of ending that life which has not yet begun, most assuredly!
Killing?? Yes! Murder?? Absolutely not.
Seems your conflating two separate, if related, concepts, Rich.
In the sense of ending that life which has not yet begun, most assuredly!
Killing?? Yes! Murder?? Absolutely not.
Seems your conflating two separate, if related, concepts, Rich.