History / 20 years of Poland in the EU. [314]

@Ironside
I think we can both admit that it wasn't just Berlin who was being stubborn and noncooperative... .

History / 20 years of Poland in the EU. [314]

So I take it there are really Poles who take Kaczynski's mad rantings about Tusk being a "German agent" seriously?

News / Polish coal will be back [141]

As someone from the Ruhr Valley I can see the charm of coal and its' value to the community. But knowing the damage it does to the planet and the fact it is also increasing the risk of lung diseases, it is for the best once its' no longer used.

Off-Topic / The case of Srebrenica, stance of Poland and international consequences [31]

@Crow


I am ignoring things that you make up. It has been established that thousands of people were murdered by the Bosnian Serb army. The International Tribunal has soundly rejected any defense of the genocide with previously real or fictional crimes commited by muslims. Ratko Mladic has been convicted for this atrocity and now serves a life-sentence.

To quote the ruling of the tribunal.

"By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity.["

Off-Topic / The case of Srebrenica, stance of Poland and international consequences [31]

@Crow


You can' have a dialogue if one person makes up things and denies basic facts. The truth about the genocide in Srebenica is well-documented and has been established in numerous trials. If given the choice, no sane person would disregard this evidence in favour of the ranting of some crazy person on the internet.

Off-Topic / The case of Srebrenica, stance of Poland and international consequences [31]

I suppose you can frame everything in a positive way, even when a resolution is approved by an overwhelming majority and your president embarasses himself and his country with his behaviour... .

Off-Topic / Serbia etc. thread 3 [436]

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Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]


No, they don't. The statistics are very clear on this.


Without the Nazis, there would not have been WW2 period.


It is the only right and safe thing to do. They are trained professionals. When your grandchild has an appendicitis, you dont get your knife and operate on her yourself. You drive her to a hospital.


Only to yourself, your family, and anyone in your vicinity. Do the right thing, get rid of your guns. Those intruders are just in your head, your family is real.


Seems like a no-brainer to me. Not trying to be unpolite here, but this whole gun thing seems irrational to me. It makes everyone more unsafe and it causes a lot of other issues down the line (my suspicion is that police brutality is such an issue in the US partly because US police officers have to be a lot more forceful and careful in their interaction with civilians, since anyone could carry a gun).

Even if owning a gun is a right, there should be checks in place to make sure that the person is mentally stable and knows what he is doing. Don't know how the situation is in Poland, but I am currently looking into acquiring a hunting license in Germany. It is quite a long way, but I think the conditions (completing mandatory training over several weeks, background checks and irregular checks on how I store my gun) are reasonable.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@Novichok


Hence we have a well-armed police force.


Police officers may realistically find themselves in situations in which guns can be useful. Whereas civilians with guns are statistically more of a danger to themselves or others. Police officers have undergone intensive, often-years long training and various psychological testing in order to prepare them an make sure they are fit to handle a gun responsibly.

Your mind may still be living in the Wild West, but times have changed. If you love your family, get rid of your gun.


As always, you might want to read up on your history. Here is a hint: People who spoke and thought like you gave us WWII when they got a chance to act on their depraved impulses.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@jon357


Arguments from gun nuts in a nutshell.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@johnny reb


And do you think that is reasonable? I get it that hunting may have been a necessary skill to learn as early as possible in rural areas 200 years ago, but today? The USA is a civilized country with what I can only assume broad access to supermarkets. Children should not have access to guns period. If they want to get extra fresh food, they can always go fishing.

@Novichok


Leaving aside the risk of accidental discharges. Living without cars or bathtubs is difficult, they pose little risk while offering great benefits. Guns do not offer any tangible benefits while posing great risks to yourself and your family. Living without them has no impact on your daily life, but your family will thank you for it. "At least now grandpa is less likely to shoot me" would be a very reassuring thought for them.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@johnny reb


18 and of course only after passing a psychological evaluation.

@Novichok


Just repeat after me: Your gun endangers you and your loved ones. Your family is real, that dangerous intruder just part of your imagination. If you love your family, get rid off your gun. Your activities on this forum does not convince anybody that you are capable of handling your gun in an emergency.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@Novichok


That is not how statistics work. With cars you look at the benefits of a car (greater mobility et al.) and compare them with other methods of transportation and their associated risks.

With guns it is easier since you can weigh their supposed benefit (protection, lifes saved) versus the lifes they claimed but were not supposed to.

And statistically speaking you are more likely to harm yourself and/or your loved ones than to shoot an intruder with. Guns make the life of their owners and all others more unsafe.

@johnny reb


Nonsense. If a person does not know how to drive, he'll be severely limited in his mobility and possibly job opportunities. Having sex is something natural everybody will want to experience, and we know from history that banning alcohol does more harm than good. But there is zero reason why a minor should learn how to handle a gun. He does not need it for his daily life, it poses further risks for him and others and given the right laws, it will be very difficult to ever get his hands on them unsupervised. Most people in Poland never used a gun in their life, nor did they have the need for it.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

@Novichok


Nope, we are just better at looking at statistics. You are more likely to use those gun against yourself, your family, or your family uses it to harm itself. Facts matter. Your gun is making your family more unsafe.


You mean events like this?

Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor, police say

cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html

There are states in which people are not allowed to drink alcohol or drive a car until they are 21, but some people seem to believe it is perfectly fine to let children handle guns.

Law / Gun control in Poland: should Polish people be allowed to own guns? [959]

Gun nuts like to fantasize about how they'd use their guns to heroically defend their families against intruders. Leaving aside how statistically unlikely such invasions are and how difficult it would be for trained professionals to act appropiately, let alone amateurs (which most of them). The ugly reality is that not only are they more likely to use those weapons to kill themselves or harm family members, but those family members may also (intentionally or accidentally) misuse those guns. Particulary children:

California toddler kills 1-year-old sister with handgun found in home, police say

Gun-related deaths have become a mayor cause of death for children and young adults

cbsnews.com/news/san-diego-toddler-shoots-kills-1-year-old-sister-with-unsecured-handgun/

everytownresearch.org/report/notanaccident/

I am sure that is one thing from the USA no one in Poland is interested in adopting.... .

So if you love your family and want to keep them safe, you should throw your gun away immediately. If you need them for work/hunting, keep them in a secure, locked box.

News / Will Poland as a NATO member be drawn into the Israel/Iran war ? [250]


The intention may not be the problem. Just no capabilities. We need everything we have to build a credible deterrence against Russia (which may not even enough).

News / Will Poland as a NATO member be drawn into the Israel/Iran war ? [250]

@Bratwurst Boy


A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!

News / SHOULD POLAND HAVE NUKES?? [154]

@Alien

Poland has signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, so it can't have its' own nuclear weapons (and Poland unlike Russia usually adheres to international law).

I would also argue that the financial costs for an effective nuclear deterrent is too high. Better to instead increase Poland's conventional deterrence and supply Ukraine with more weapons.

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]


And yet Russia lost controle over the Baltics (and other occuppied areas) because they could no longer afford it.

Gorbachev did not relinquish controle over them and the Warsaw Pact because he was such a nice man, but because the Soviet Union desperately needed Western money, food and medical supplies to avoid a self-inflicted catastrophy.. Which it received without showing the proper gratitude for it.

Once the bill is due for Putin's mismanagement and warmongering, Russia can only hope that the Chinese will bail them out. They can not count again on the generosity of the West.

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]

They were released when the UdSSR was no longer able to occupy them. The same may happen with the parts of Ukraine it currently occuppies. If the Ukrainian army is unable to force Moscow to return, then mayhaps the inevitable economic recession in Russia will.

The 90s will look like paradise compared to what awaits Russia.

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]

Well, people used to say that the Berlin Wall was forever, that the Baltic states would always remain part of Russia. Things can and do change.

News / Poland to officially demand $1.32 trillion WW2 reparations from Germany [457]

The matter has been over for many decades by now.

The previous Polish government knew this and just exploited this issue for domestic reasons. Good to see that with the new government reason and rationality returns to Warsaw's diplomacy. At a time when Putin openly seeks to redraw borders in Europe and a possible second Trump presidency that may prove fatal to NATO, this development comes no day too soon.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


It is not one my countrymen saying that, but one of your top generals as quoted above.


They also won the battle of Capes and thus effectively, the war of American independence. Who were they fighting against, again?

All historical jokes aside, it is simply a matter of fact that the French have only European army that can be taken seriously to some degree. They have experience, training and crucially, the numbers (at least relatively).

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


At least they have tanks to practice with. Can one really say the same about the British army on a larger scale? The best they could do is field a small expeditionary force.

The only army somewhat prepared to fight a serious war right now in Europe is the French army. Hopefully Poland will have one soon too.


Can't say much about that aside from the new F-35 ordered. But we should have the best mid and close-range anti-aircraft and anti-drone units within the next few years with the Skyranger and Iris-T.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


Which weapons are you talking about?


Not directly, but this and other articles sure make it look suspicious.

thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnsons-russian-crony-evgeny-lebedev-got-peerage-after-spies-dropped-warning-3dp6sw29x

Wealthy Russians certainly integrated themselves well in British (high) society. Yeah they were sanctioned later (the same as in Germany and other countries) but claiming the UK was less susceptible to Russian corruption when London openly attracted oligarchs is absurd.


I provided you with a source that proves the opposite. That number will further increase by the French contribution to the 50bn from the EU to Ukraine (one estimate I've read it was 9bn).

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


I am fairly certain that Germany changed its' mind on allowing countries to export former GDR weapons within hours, if not days after the invasion. It did not prevent any other aid from reaching Ukraine.


Wishful thinking. One son of a Russian oligarch bought himself a peerage, and wealthy oligarchs used the UK as one of their favourite places to launder their ill-gotten wealth. Abromovich is just the most famous examples. Who knows what deeper inquiries may find out later after a government change. No reason to feel any kind of self-satisfaction here.


All jokes and French-bashing aside, the reality is that France has actually commited more aid to Ukraine than the UK via the EU institutions. Their military support is disappointing given then field the strongest European army, but their overall contribution is not bad at all. It is one thing to send old Soviet weapons to Ukraine while receiving reimbursements from the EU, it is another to keep the Ukrainian state financially afloat.

app.23degrees.io/view/DUeaa54W7KOQhFQD-bar-stacked-horizontal-bilateral-aid-with-eu-share

@Torq


Everything is relative. Keep in mind that the entire state budget of Ukraine in 2021 was around 35bn Dollar, so for them it means quite a lot.

theglobaleconomy.com/Ukraine/government_spending_dollars/

Furthermore there are quite a few European countries who have otherwise commited very little aid to Ukraine relative to their GDP, so for them it means a huge increase in what they contribute. Baby steps I suppose, but that is what progress often only looks like.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


To whom though? Most of the mayor Non-Western powers that come to mind: Brazil, India maybe South Africa have taken a neutral position at best, if they are not outright aiding Russia.


I think you know the context of why this happened. This was within the first hours of war, when everyone assumed that Ukraine would fall in a matter of days. Berlin believes that it could do more for Ukraine if it helped broker another peace summit. A mistaken belief, but the intention was genuine.

Since then Germany has become the largest European supporter for Ukraine. Personally I am not happy about Scholz cautious approach, but leaving aside that his main priority as chancellor of Germany must be Germany, it also succeeded in getting the German people behind him. Support for military aid to Ukraine remains high, despite the pacifist inclinations of our people, and the high burden particulary the Ukrainian refugees pose for our ailing economy. That has not been the case in all countries who initially greatly supported Ukraine. And who knows who else will abandon Ukraine if the war (which seems likely) drags on for another few years.


Schroeder has not been in power 18+ years. Putin managed to buy a lot of former politicians and journalists and "experts"(something he did in many countries, including the UK) but which active politician has spied for him?


I'd wish too France would do more in bilateral military aid, but he seems to be playing a very important role diplomatically. In large parts thanks to him Ukraine will finally receive the 50bn from the EU.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]

@jon357


Call me a pessimist, but speaking of a global approach when even the West is no longer united in their support seems like wishful thinking. My impression is that many Non-Europeans are viewing this as a European problem that should be solved by the Europeans. Today's decision to approve 50bn in aid for Ukraine is important in that regard, but quite a few countries have either reduced their support or are not contributing appropiately in the first place.


That is PiS Kaczyński niveau, far below your usual level.

@Ironside


Neither is in Germany's power to begin with, and I would argue it is not necessary to be one for the Ukraine war. The European countries should be strong enough to sufficiently support Ukraine and this is the issue Berlin should be working on. First by stepping up regarding German aid, which has happened. And then by working diplomatically and reminding others that they need to do their own part as well. Which is now happening.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]

@Ironside


Stopping new pledges in a war of attrition that may last for several more years is a big issue.

And it becomes embarrassing if your government liked to boast about their contribution.


That is a reaction to the intense scrutiny German aid to Ukraine received. It is easier refute accusations of inaction if you can point to the delivered weapons and the steady flow of equipment Ukraine will receive over the next few years.


Enviromentalists are doing the same in Germany too. You don't know the controversy every time an airport is enlarged or a river made accessible for large ships.

And let us be completely honest here, how PiS has handled the Oder disaster was not helpful at the least. You can be sure that any project that may have an impact on Germany will from on be very, very closely monitored.


Does not look like we have a choice on the matter. I am sure most Germans would rather see the USA take the lead, or alternatively a more European approach. But since neither are looking feasible and the option would be to let Eastern Europe fall to Russia, it looks like it will up to Berlin.

News / How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started [559]


I do not. I am just holding them to their word. They publically entertained this idea when it gave them good publicity, and then backed down. As did quite members of that so-called Leopard coalition, who acted similiarly or suddenly needed a lot more convincinf. Imagine the backlash if Scholz had done something like that.

You claimed that Scholz made empty promises, while I pointed out that he kept all pledges and was careful not to raise expectations he thought to be unrealistic.


What new commitments did Poland make in the last few months and are those financed by them or the EU?


While this may or may not be the case, it is certainly at odds to what Polish leaders said at the beginning.


Well, one reason: Solidarity with Ukraine. Poland was insistent that other countries cut their energy ties with Russia, no matter the damage to their economy (and then kept receiving fossil fuel longer than others). But once the Polish economy was hurting, things changed. Kinda like with the weapon deliveries: No mew deliveries once it meant that it would have bear the costs on their own.

Which personally I find perfectly understandable. But it is irritating that someone can defend this position and make empty accusations against Germany and its' supposed lack of help and solidarity.


This whole conspiracy nonsense. Poland has benefitted massively from cooperating economically with Germany. No doubt there are areas where both countries compete or have differing interests, but that is natural in capitalism.

It is in our interest that Poland gets wealthy and preferably soon starts paying into the EU funds instead of receiving them.

The government that stifled Poland's growth was PiS because due to them it would have missed out on potentially 100bn money from the EU.