News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I have to say,being that this is such a touchy issue which often evokes anger and nastiness towards one another,that I'm impressed with the level of civility that has been displayed on this thread thus far.My thanks to all the participants..

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

SeanBM,It's more than child support,because if the woman doesn't want to have the baby and the man withholds consent for the abortion,he has to assume sole responsibility.I don't see snip snip as abortion,nor contraceptive devices.I will not equate that to a forming body.I'm personally talking about inside the womb.I'm not a scientist and I honestly can't tell you when it is considered to be a feeling being with cerebral activity.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Polonius,I agree.Unfortunately too many guys would talk a good game and convince her to have the child only to leave her holding the bag.I think that if he won't give his consent;then he should have to sign something pledging to take full responsibility of the child under the threat of a very stiff prison sentence should he flout his responsibilities.But the woman should have the right to share parental responsibility and be in the child's life if she were to have a change of heart after the child is born.Only if abortion is made legal for reasons other than drastic.I don't at all feel that to avoid responsibility is a justifiable reason for abortion.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Natasia,well put.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

foreigner4,so you're saying that there is no such thing as unnatural.Interesting,you may as well say that there is no such thing as right or wrong either.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

SeanBM,I think it's pretty apparent that I'm suggesting that the procedure is not natural.If you read my prior posts then you will see this.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,such as having a baby.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,To abort is not natural.To have a baby is.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,No it's not hard for me to figure out,is it hard for you to figure out what I'm saying?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,So does a woman during sexy time..If she is being made to let nature take it's course and she avoids having to have that responsibility.....If he had that say during sex and is willing to deal with the consequences,so to speak.He should be allowed to.I don't think that a woman going through a natural childbirth is insane,as woman have been doing it for eons.I think that an unnatural abortion other than for mitigating circumstances and not for "I don't want the responsibility";when you have someone who will care for that child is insane.We can agree to disagree.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

So what is so insane about as to a woman going through a proven to be dangerous abortion?How is that more sane than a natural childbirth?How is it authoritarian?You did something to get there then you deal with it.I'm not talking about forcing a woman to get pregnant.So explain how it's less authoritarian for a man not to have any say.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Delphiandomine,Very good point,tricky.I'm referring to a case that it is already established.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Foreigner4,If a man and a woman decide to have sex without contraception,understand;knowing full well that this can lead to pregnancy and pregnancy does occur,then I think that they should both be on the same page about the abortion.I think that if she decides she doesn't want the responsibility and wants to abort,but he doesn't want abortion and is willing to take sole custody of the child and be 100% responsible for rearing the child,then I think he should be able to have the child.If both are on the same page about the abortion,ok then no problem.He helped create that life he doesn't own her body but his DNA is being replicated and he does have a stake in what's being produced.I think she should have to have the baby.I don't think that that that would be an unreasonable request,because she avoids having to have responsibility.The man helped create that life;he should have a say,because at this point your not just talking about her body.If she doesn't want to have a baby under these circumstances,then be careful and either abstain or use contraception.I think that they should both have to be on the same page to terminate,when you're talkng just to avoid responsibility.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Orpheus,That's fine we can agree to disagree.When a woman gets pregnant it 's no longer just her body we are talking about.It's not imprisonment because she decided it,I'm talking about a specific situation.The legal ramifications are what ever the law would be.It is very simple don't take the chance,just like anything in life;if you are mature enough then you understand what the ramifications are.Your answer is that a man doesn't have a choice if he would like to have a child he partook in creating.It's not superiority because if that decision is made he takes the child;very simple.She gets to go on with her life without the responsibility which in that case would be not to face the responsibility.That is eliminated.if you're going to use that criteria,then he shouldn't have to own up to the responsibility should she decide to keep the child against his wishes.Which I don't agree with either.We'll have to agree to disagree,because I will no more convince you than you will me.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Orpheus,You can make it seem so complicated but it's not and how it would guarantee a c section I have no idea.It's not about being happy with it.You didn't answer my question as to why a man shouldn't be allowed to have a say.We can go to extremes with anything,but to say this will always happen;you can't.The woman can be put under and once it's over it's over.Mitigating circumstances is one thing,but to create a life and then decide you don't want the responsibility,if the man isn't on the same page,then it shouldn't be allowed imo.How exactly is it prison?

Foreigner4,Like I said both parties should be on the same page.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Orpheus,It would suck I understand that,but you make the decision to have sex and are not careful,it's just like anything in life.If a man is expected to pay for a child should she decide that she want to keep it,then why shouldn't this apply here.Why should he not be allowed to have a say.You play you pay.This is how I honestly feel about it

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Jon357,I Myself would think that once the fetus has cerebral activity that this would be the point at which it ceases being just a collection of cells.I do feel that if a woman is impregnated;although it is her body the fetus is not just hers and the man should have some say on the issue of abortion.If he doesn't agree and is willing to raise the child then she should not be allowed to abort.If you don't want to have a child then don't participate in sex without contraception.Simple.I would hope that people wouldn't choose abortion,but I don't fault people in mitigating circumstances.I think that to abort because you don't want the responsibility is a sad way to go.I'm not a doctor and I don't know at what point it is actually considered life and because of this;I can't judge the morality of it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Jon357,at what point is the fetus considered intelligent life?

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]

Rysavy,no I've never been to a sushi bar.I believe that people eat it.I had only seen it sold as bait in Alaska.I guess I never really paid attention.

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]

Pawian,Not to my knowledge because what we caught was sold.We would go to a fishing tender as soon as we filled our hold. Salmon roe is sold as bait.I've never heard of people eating salmon roe.

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]

Pawian,I use to seine fish for salmon in Alaska.We would take one of the catch immediately and cook it.There is nothing like eating red salmon cooked within minutes of being caught!

Food / What do non-Poles think about eating the following Polish foods? [1400]

Rysavy,lol I know what you mean.Everything on this thread looks tantalizing.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

Grezegorz,I'm not supporting their claim to have superior knowledge to you and I also said that I can understand how you,having lived their all your life could be annoyed at someone coming to your country and claiming to know Poland better than you could be annoying.I didn't miss your point;your wrong;I ask questions of anyone who will answer them and then I will check it out.I've asked questions many times on the forum and people have not answered me.I still stand by my original statement.This doesn't mean anything.Whether they are better informed or are not I can see how it could be annoying for them as well.A simple observation.Where have you ever seen me claim that they have superior knowledge?I don't know if they do or not.If you read what I said on that thread;I mention how they perceive others more than once,because I am not actually qualified to say who knows more.So we can agree to disagree.Someone who doesn't live there will not ever understand Poland as well as someone who does.This is all I ever meant by that.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

Grzegorz,why do you have to be rude?I'm not missing your point at all;I made a comment and you've been going on and on about it.I'm not thinking in terms of specifically you or anyone else.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

I absolutely agree.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

Grzegorz,even if someone is better educated about Poland than someone who is from there,this still doesn't make them more qualified than someone who lives there when it come to how Poles should run their Country.You will never have quite the same out look and understanding because our environment and societal interaction is what shapes us.These things can't be shaped by books.You may read about the culture of Poland and have an academic understanding of it,but it will never resonate the same way with someone who was born and raised there.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

I can read just as well as anyone and I can learn about what Polish life is about as well.I will never try to tell People in Poland how they should run their country as this is why I made my statement in the first place.Des Essientes you don't really know me at all and if you think that I take anything that anyone says as fact then you're quite wrong.Any one that is willing to impart their knowledge;I will take it,but then I always check it out.I'll take book learning from a rustic over book learning from some one who has never been there....

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

I will visit someday.I don't mind talking with anyone with this issue.I learn a lot this way and if I need to confirm it I will.I don't take anything at face value,but I gather everything I hear or read,process it and then I give an opinion..

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

Des Essientes,I understand exactly what he means.You can have all the book knowledge in the world and it is still not the same as being able to understand the nuances like someone who has lived there all their life or as well as someone who has lived there for however long compared to someone who has never even been there.I don't fawn over anyone,but I'll listen to someone who lives there before listening to someone who hasn't.

History / Poland's undying debt to Polonia [76]

Grzegorz,I have never commented on you and how much you know about Poland or called it in question.My comment was and is as it stands.You seem to have taken this to somehow having something to do with you;it doesn't.Some one who lives there;or has lived there all there life is more qualified than someone who has never lived there.This is all I've ever said and nothing to be read into it other than that.If someone who doesn't live here tries to tell me what makes my country tick,I can see how this could be annoying.I can see how you would be annoyed at someone who hasn't lived there all their life and wasn't born and raised there doing the same thing.It was just an observation.No more no less.